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"Don't Scream"

A young mom calls 911 claiming she cut her own throat in front of her estranged husband and her child-- doctors say there’s no way she did it to herself. "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty investigates.
Jun 2, 2019 (43:35)

TRANSCRIPT FOR: “"DON'T SCREAM"”

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DON'T SCREAM ," \ REPORTED BY ERIN MORIARTY, \ CONTINUES IN 90 SECONDS .>> Reporter: JUST AFTER MIDNIGHTON JULY 24, 2013 ...>> WALK OVER THIS WAY, PLEASE .>> Reporter: ... SERGEANT BOBTHOMPSON ARRIVED AT THE SCENEWHERE TIFFANY MEAD HAD BEENFOUND WITH HER THROAT CUT. AND WHAT DID YOU KNOW AT THATPOINT ?>> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING .>> Reporter: TIFFANY HAD ALREADYBEEN RUSHED TO THE HOSPITAL. BUT BEFORE SHE LEFT, SHE CHANGEDHER STORY, TELLING DEPUTIES THATIT WAS ACTUALLY HER ESTRANGEDHUSBAND, KRIS ERTMANN, WHOATTACKED HER .>> SHE TOLD DEPUTY SORENSEN ," KEEP HIM AWAY FROM ME. HE DID THIS TO ME. AND SAVE MY BABY .">> Reporter: IF SHE'S CALLEDTHIS IN AS A SUICIDE AND NOWSHE'S SAYING, " HE REALLY DIDTHIS ," YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TOBELIEVE AT THAT MOMENT, RIGHT ?>> IT'S A BIT OF A CONUNDRUM .>> Reporter: TIFFANY'S CAR WASAT THE SCENE, BUT THOMPSONNOTICED SOMETHING DIDN'T LOOKQUITE RIGHT .>> THERE WAS BLOOD ON THEOUTSIDE OF THE DOOR. AND I'M THINKING, " HOW DIDTHAT BLOOD GET THERE ?">> Reporter: THE DETECTIVELEARNED TIFFANY AND HER HUSBANDHAD FIRST MET UP AT A SECLUDEDPARK A MILE AWAY, WHEREINVESTIGATORS FOUND A SECONDSCENE .>> I COULD SEE THE BLOOD. SO, NOW, I KNOW, " OKAY, THISMUST HAVE HAPPENED OUTSIDE OFTHE CAR .">> Reporter: AND BEFORE SHESTARTED DRIVING .>> RIGHT .>> Reporter: IF THIS WOMAN TRIEDTO CUT HERSELF AND SHE'S CLEARLYINJURED, TO GET IN A CAR ANDDRIVE, DID THAT MAKE SENSE ?>> DIDN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL .>> Reporter: THOMPSON STILLWASN'T SURE WHAT KIND OF CRIMEHE WAS DEALING WITH, IF ANY. DO YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S AATTEMPTED SUICIDE, AN ACTUALSUICIDE, ATTEMPTED MURDER OR AMURDER ?>> I HAVE NO IDEA .>> Reporter: HE DIDN'T KNOWTIFFANY'S CONDITION. HOWEVER, THERE \ WAS \ SOMEONE INCUSTODY: KRIS ERTMANN .>> HE HADN'T BEEN OFFICIALLYARRESTED, BUT HE WAS NOT FREE TOLEAVE .>> Reporter: ERTMANN WASPHOTOGRAPHED, HIS CLOTHES WERETAKEN AS EVIDENCE, AND THENTHOMPSON WANTED TO HEAR WHATERTMANN HAD TO SAY .>>\ WHY ARE YOU HERE TONIGHT ?>>\ WELL, SHE TRIED TO COMMIT \ SUICIDE, AND I HELPED HER OUT, \ AND HER... AND... AND BASICALLY \ HELP HER OUT .\ I TRIED TO SAVE HER .\ I ASSISTED IN SAVING HER .>> Reporter: THOMPSON LEARNEDTHAT ERTMANN WORKED FOR APAINTING CONTRACTOR. HE AND HIS WIFE HAD BEENMARRIED FIVE YEARS AND HAD

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TWO- YEAR- OLD NOAH; ANDWYATT, WHO WAS ALMOST FOUR. THE COUPLE WAS DIVORCING AND HADMET THAT NIGHT SO ERTMANN COULDGIVE HER A CHILD SUPPORT CHECK .>> Reporter: ACCORDING TOERTMANN, TIFFANY WAS TAKINGANTIDEPRESSANTS .>> PEOPLE DON'T COMMIT SUICIDETHAT WAY. AND ESPECIALLY FOR A MOTHER TODO IT IN FRONT OF HER CHILD, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME .>> Reporter: AND NEITHER DIDERTMANN'S ODDLY CALM DEMEANOR. WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS... HIS ESTRANGED WIFE ?>> UH, NO. HE DIDN'T ASK ONCE HOW SHE WASDOING, AND HE NEVER ASKED WHEREHIS CHILD WAS .>> Reporter: BUT WHAT THOMPSONWANTED MOST FROM ERTMANN WEREDETAILS ABOUT WHAT LED TO HISWIFE'S HORRIFIC INJURIES .>> WHY WOULDN'T YOU REMEMBER? IT JUST HAPPENED A FEW HOURSAGO. AND HE CAN'T REMEMBER ANYDETAILS ?>> Reporter: AND WHAT'S GOINGTHROUGH YOUR HEAD ?>> THAT HE DID THIS .>> Reporter: ERTMANN WASARRESTED AND CHARGED WITHATTEMPTED MURDER-- " ATTEMPTED" BECAUSE SOMEHOW, DESPITE THEDEVASTATING INJURIES, TIFFANYMEAD SURVIVED. SHOW ME WHERE HE CUT YOU .>> HE STARTED OVER HERE. HE WENT STRAIGHT ACROSS, AND HESTOPPED RIGHT BEFORE MY ARTERYON THIS SIDE .>> Reporter: IT'S BEEN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, BUT TIFFANY ISPERMANENTLY SCARRED. EVERY TIME YOU LOOK IN THEMIRROR, ARE YOU REMINDED OF THATNIGHT ?>> I AVOID LOOKING IN THE MIRRORAS MUCH AS POSSIBLE .>> YOU KNOW, THIS GIRL IS \ STRONG. SHE IS STRONG, ERIN .>> Reporter: AT THE TIME, LIEUTENANT JEN DALEY WAS BOBTHOMPSON'S PARTNER ON THIS CASE, AND HIS BOSS. SHE VIVIDLY REMEMBERS ARRIVINGAT THE HOSPITAL TO GET ASTATEMENT FROM THE 22- YEAR- OLDWHO WAS IN CRITICAL CONDITION .>> I WILL NEVER FORGET. I CAN STILL SEE HER LAYING INTHAT HOSPITAL BED. I'M LOOKING AT THAT WOUND, ANDTHE WHOLE TIME, I'M THINKING ," HOW ?">> Reporter: TIFFANY TOLD DALEYSHE HAD ONLY AGREED TO MEET HERESTRANGED HUSBAND BECAUSE \ HEPROMISED TO BRING THAT CHILDSUPPORT CHECK. THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS NOW SOTOXIC, THEY MOSTLY COMMUNICATEDBY TEXT .>> HE TOLD ME NOT TO BRINGANYONE. HE KEPT REMINDING ME TO COMEALONE. COME ALONE .>> Reporter: TIFFANY TEXTED THATSHE WOULD HAVE TO BRING TWO- YEAR- OLD NOAH. AT THE LAST MINUTE, ERTMANNPICKED THIS OUT- OF- THE- WAY PARKTO MEET .>> THEY COME IN FROM JUST THEEAST SIDE HERE. SO, THEY PULL IN HERE. THIS IS WHERE HER CAR WASPARKED .>> Reporter: SO, TIFFANY'S HERE .>> RIGHT .>> Reporter: WE'VE GOT SOMEEMPTY SPACE .>> YES. KRIS PULLS IN THERE .>> Reporter: THEY WALKED TOWARDSEACH OTHER .>> I WAS TERRIFIED. HE HAD THIS LOOK. HE WAS SO DETERMINED, COMING ATME. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS GOINGTO DO .>> Reporter: SHE SAYS SUDDENLYERTMANN GRABBED HER IN A BEARHUG AND BACKED HER UP AGAINSTHER CAR DOOR .>> AND HE HAD ONE HAND ON MYMOUTH. HE PULLED SOMETHING OUT OF HISPOCKET, AND HE SLIT MY THROAT. AND AS HE'S SLITTING MY THROAT, HE... HE SAYS, " SHH. DON'T SCREAM. STAY CALM ." AND I DIDN'T SCREAM. AND I TOLD HIM I WAS GETTINGDIZZY, SO HE OPENED MY CAR DOORFOR ME SO THAT I COULD SIT. AND HE SAID, " YOU KNOW WHAT IWANT. SAY IT ." SO, I SAID, " I LOVE YOU, ANDI'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ." AND THEN, HE SAID, " SEAL IT WITHA KISS ." AND HE LEANED IN, AND HE KISSEDME AS BLOOD'S POURING OUT OF MYNECK. THEN, HE SAID THAT WE NEEDED TOCOME UP WITH A STORY IF I WASGOING TO CALL 911. SO, I SAID, " OKAY, I'LL TELLTHEM WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TODO .">> Reporter: BUT FIRST, TIFFANYHAD TO GET HERSELF OUT OF THISREMOTE AREA .>> I HAD TO GET SOMEWHERE WHEREI COULD EXPLAIN TO 911 WHERE IWAS. ALL I COULD THINK WAS, I HAD TOGET MY BABY TO SAFETY .>> Reporter: SOMEHOW, TIFFANYMANAGED TO DRIVE WITH ONE HANDON THE STEERING WHEEL, THE OTHERHOLDING BACK THE BLOOD POURINGFROM HER WOUND. WHEN SHE GOT TO THIS BUS STOPWITH HER HUSBAND BESIDE HER, HELET HER CALL 911 .>>\ WHAT... WHAT HAPPENED ?>>\ I TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE .\ PLEASE HELP ME .>>\ ALL RIGHT .>> BUT AS SOON AS THERE WERESHERIFFS BETWEEN ME AND KRIS, ILET THEM KNOW, " KRIS DID THIS. HE TRIED TO KILL ME .">> Reporter: LYING IN THEAMBULANCE, NEAR DEATH, SHECALLED HER MOTHER .>> SHE CALLED THAT... THAT KRISHAD TRIED TO KILL HER, AND SHENEEDED ME TO PICK UP NOAH. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS GOINGTHROUGH AT THE TIME .>> AS I WAS LAYING IN THEAMBULANCE, LOOKING UP AT THELIGHTS, I WAS THINKING, " IT'SOVER. NOAH'S SAFE. I CAN DIE NOW .">> Reporter: KRIS ERTMANN WAS INCUSTODY AND CHARGED WITHATTEMPTING TO MURDER HIS EX- WIFE-- SOMETHING UNIMAGINABLEFIVE YEARS EARLIER WHEN THECOUPLE FIRST MET ONLINE. TIFFANY WAS A HIGH SCHOOLSENIOR. HE WAS IN THE ARMY .>> HE WAS REALLY SWEET .>> Reporter: WERE YOU IN LOVE ?>> I THOUGHT I WAS .(\ LAUGHS \)>> Reporter: JUST SIX WEEKSLATER, THEY ELOPED. IT WASN'T LONG BEFORE THEYBECAME PARENTS. BUT WHEN ERTMANN RETURNED FROMHIS DEPLOYMENT IN IRAQ, TIFFANYSAYS HE BECAME EMOTIONALLYABUSIVE AND VERY VOLATILE .>> HE COULD CHANGE ON THE DROPOF A DIME. JUST LITTLE THINGS WOULD MAKEHIM SO ANGRY .>> Reporter: ALTHOUGH HE NEVERHIT HER, SHE LIVED IN FEAR OFHIS RAGES. WHY DID YOU STAY ?>> THE BIGGEST REASON: I JUST... I WAS SCARED. I DIDN'T THINK I COULD DO IT ONMY OWN .>> Reporter: BUT IN LATE 2012, TIFFANY FINALLY HAD ENOUGH ANDFLED WITH HER BOYS. THEY MOVED IN WITH HER PARENTS, AND SHE MOVED ON WITH HER LIFE, WORKING FULL- TIME AND GOING TOCOLLEGE AT NIGHT. SHE EVEN STARTED DATING A NEWGUY. HOW DID KRIS TAKE YOU LEAVING ?>> NOT WELL. IT WAS ALWAYS, " COME BACK TO ME. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TODO THIS BY YOURSELF .">> Reporter: BUT THE FACTS OFWHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT WEREN'TAS CLEAR CUT AS DETECTIVES JENDALEY AND BOB THOMPSON THOUGHT. IT'S DARK ...>> CAN WE TAKE A QUICK PICTUREOF THE VAN ?>> Reporter: ... NO ONE SEES ORHEARS ANYTHING, AND YOU HAVEKRIS ERTMANN SAYING ONE THINGAND YOU HAVE TIFFANY MEAD SAYINGA COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING .>> HE SAID, SHE SAID .>> Reporter: THEY DIDN'T EVENHAVE THE KNIFE USED TO SLITTIFFANY MEAD'S THROAT. DALEY BELIEVES AS TIFFANY DROVEDOWN THIS DARK ROAD HOLDING HERBLOODY NECK, HER ESTRANGEDHUSBAND TOSSED THE KNIFE OUT THEWINDOW, INTO THIS DEEP RAVINE .>> IT'S SO THICK FROM YEARS OFTHE OVERGROWTH. AND WE DID EVERYTHING TO UNCOVERTHAT KNIFE-- I MEAN, METALDETECTORS, CADAVER DOGS-- ANDYOU THINK, " OH, MY GOODNESS, AREWE GOING TO LOSE THE CASEBECAUSE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT ?">> Reporter: I MEAN, IF YOU HADTHE KNIFE AND YOU COULD SEEWHETHER HIS D. N. A. WAS ON THEKNIFE, THAT'S GOT TO ...>> OR FINGERPRINTS .>> Reporter: ... HELP THE CASE .>> ANY OF IT .>> Reporter: OR FINGERPRINTS .>> UH- HUH. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT SOMEPHYSICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVEBEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT .>> Reporter: ADDING TO DALEY ANDTHOMPSON'S CONCERNS, A MONTHAFTER THE ATTACK, THE JUDGERECEIVED THIS UNSIGNED LETTER .>> " I AM A GOOD FRIEND OFTIFFANY, BUT I CAN'T SEE LETTINGTHIS HAPPEN TO CHRIS, FOR HISKIDS' SAKE .">> Reporter: THE LETTER WRITERCLAIMED TIFFANY HAD CUT HER \ OWNTHROAT AND WAS TRYING TO FRAMEKRIS ERTMANN, EXACTLY WHAT \ HEHAD TOLD POLICE. ANY SIDE, DO YOU THINK, " OH, MYGOD, COULD THAT BE TRUE "?>> WE TOOK THIS AS SOMETHINGTHAT WAS CREDIBLE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS NEEDEDTO BE FOLLOWED UP ON .>> Reporter: THE RETURN ADDRESSWAS FROM A " MARY OLSON" INOGDEN .>> ON MONROE \ STREET .>> Reporter: BUT AS THEDETECTIVES SOON DISCOVERED, THEADDRESS DIDN'T EXIST. AND IT SEEMED, NEITHER DID MARYOLSON .>> I RUN THE DRIVER'S LICENSE OFEVERY MARY OLSON IN THE STATE OFUTAH THAT ROUGHLY MATCHEDTIFFANY'S AGE GROUP. NOTHING. THERE'S NOTHING .>> I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYONENAMED MARY AT THE TIME .>> Reporter: WHO DO YOU THINKARRANGED FOR THAT LETTER ?>> THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MINDTHAT KRIS DID IT .>> Reporter: DAVIS COUNTYATTORNEYS RICHARD LARSEN ANDJASON NELSON ALSO SUSPECTED ANERTMANN CONNECTION, BUT THEYSTILL NEEDED PROOF TO TIEERTMANN TO THE LETTER AND TOBOLSTER THEIR ATTEMPTED MURDERCASE AGAINST HIM .>> WE WERE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCEDTHAT HE HAD INFLICTED THEINJURY. THAT WASN'T THE BIG QUESTION. THE BIG QUESTION WAS, WHAT WASHIS INTENT WHEN HE DID IT? THIS CASE ROSE AND FELL BASED ONTHAT ONE QUESTION .>> Reporter: WAS KRIS ERTMANNACTUALLY TRYING TO KILL HISESTRANGED WIFE, OR MERELY INJUREAND SCARE HER? THE DEFENSE COULD ARGUE THATKRIS LET TIFFANY CALL 911, ANDHE GAVE HER HIS SHIRT TO HELPSTOP THE BLEEDING .>>\ DO YOU HAVE A DRY, CLEAN \ CLOTH THAT YOU CAN APPLY \ PRESSURE TO HER NECK ?>>\ I GOT MY SHIRT .>> Reporter: PROSECUTORS FEAREDWITHOUT MORE EVIDENCE, JURORSMIGHT CONCLUDE THAT THIS WAS ANAGGRAVATED ASSAULT, NOT ANATTEMPTED MURDER, WHICH MEANTERTMANN COULD BE OUT OF PRISONIN A YEAR. WHAT'S YOUR FEAR IF HE GETS OUT ?>> HE'LL TRY IT AGAIN. I WAS ANGRY, INTERNALLY ANGRY. I... I COULDN'T EVEN WRAP MYHEAD AROUND IT, THAT YOU COULDDO THAT TO A HUMAN BEING INFRONT OF A CHILD, AND A YEARLATER, YOU'RE FREE TO WALKAROUND .>> SHE LOOKED AT US AND SAID ," THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH .">> Reporter: JEN DALEY BELIEVEDTHAT MAKING SURE KRIS ERTMANNSTAYED LOCKED UP WAS THE ONLYWAY TO KEEP TIFFANY ALIVE .>> AND I SAID, " I WANT TO STARTLISTENING TO JAIL PHONE CALLS .">>\ HELLO, THIS IS A PREPAID \ COLLECT CALL FROM ...>>\ KRIS .>>\... AN INMATE AT ...>>\... DAVIS COUNTY JAIL, UTAH .>> Reporter: A MONTH AFTERERTMANN WAS ARRESTED, DALEYSTARTED LISTENING TO HIS PHONECALLS, SOMETHING EVERY INMATE ISWARNED ABOUT REPEATEDLY .>> " THIS CALL IS SUBJECT TORECORDING AND MONITORING .">> Reporter: WHAT'S THE CHANCEHE'S GOING TO SAY ANYTHINGINCRIMINATING ON A PHONE CALL ?>> I DON'T KNOW, STRANGER THINGSHAVE HAPPENED .>>\ HEY, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT \ OVER THE PHONE, OKAY ?>> I REALLY WANTED A CONFESSION, I MEAN, BECAUSE IF WE GOT THE CONFESSION THAT THAT'S WHAT HIS INTENT WAS, THEN I KNEW WE COULD PUT HIM AWAY LONGER. SO, I LISTENED. AND I LISTENED SOME MORE. AND I LISTENED SOME MORE AFTERTHAT .>> Reporter: DALEY LISTENED TOHUNDREDS OF PHONE CALLS, ANDWATCHED ENDLESS JAILHOUSEVISITS .>> AND PEOPLE WOULD COME IN MYOFFICE AND TELL ME, " I CAN'TBELIEVE YOU'RE STILL LISTENINGTO IT ." AND I WOULD LOOK AT THEM ANDSAY, " NEITHER CAN I. I WOULD LIKE TO STICK PENCILS INMY EARS .">> Reporter: BUT WITH NOREVELATIONS, AFTER THREE MONTHS, DALEY RELUCTANTLY GAVE UP .>> MY GUT KEPT TELLING ME ," YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP LISTENING. IT'S THERE. IT'S THERE .">> Reporter: SO, SHE STARTEDAGAIN, PICKING UP WHERE SHE LEFTOFF .>>\ WHAT'S HIS NAME ?>> WHAT \ IF \ THAT'S WHERE HISCONFESSION IS ?>> Reporter: DALEY HAD GOTTEN UPTO ERTMANN'S DECEMBER 2013CALLS, MADE FIVE MONTHS AFTERTHE ATTACK .>>\ YOU MAY START THE \ CONVERSATION NOW .>> Reporter: THIS CALL, HE WASON THE PHONE WITH HIS FATHER .>>\ WRITE

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RAYMOND (\ BLEEP \).>>\ RAYMOND ?>>\ YEAH .\ AND TELL KENNY TO JUST FACEBOOK \ HIM AND TELL HIM THAT I'M IN \ HERE .>> AND I TOOK A YELLOW STICKYNOTE THAT EXACT SIZE ...>> Reporter: ONE LIKE THIS .>> EXACTLY THAT SIZE. AND I WROTE THE NAME ON THATYELLOW STICKY PAD .>> Reporter: SHE HAD NO IDEA IFTHE NAME HAD ANY SIGNIFICANCE ...>>\ DID KENNY EVER FACEBOOK THAT \ DUDE FOR ME ?>>\ I WILL KNOW TONIGHT OR \ TOMORROW .>> Reporter: ... BUT AS SHELISTENED TO MORE CALLS ...>>\ DID YOU HEAR, BY CHANCE ,\ CALL THAT ONE DUDE ?>> Reporter: ... IT WAS CLEARTO DALEY THAT FOR KRIS ERTMANN, CONTACTING THIS " DUDE" WASURGENT .>>\ CAN YOU SEND ME THAT DUDE'S \ ADDRESS SO I CAN GIVE HIM A ...\ WRITE HIM, TOO ?\ IF YOU CAN .>>\ YEAH .\ WHAT'S HIS NAME AGAIN ?>>\ DAD HAS IT WRITTEN DOWN .>> Reporter: ERTMANN ONLYMENTIONED HIS FRIEND'S NAME \ ONCE ,\ BUT THAT'S ALL JEN DALEYNEEDED .>> I LOOKED AT THAT STICKY PAD. STILL HAD THAT NAME WRITTEN ONIT. AND I PULLED IT OFF, AND IREMEMBER IT WAS STUCK TO MYINDEX FINGER. AND I WALKED DOWN THE HALLWAYINTO HIS OFFICE. AND I HELD MY HAND OUT JUST LIKETHIS, AND I SAID, " I NEED YOU TOFIND THIS GUY. FIND HIM FOR ME .">> Reporter: WHAT'S BEEN THEHARDEST PART? WHAT'S BEEN THE TOUGHEST FORYOU ?>> GETTING USED TO ALL MY NEWFEARS, THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLEDON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT .>> Reporter: FOR TIFFANY MEAD, MEMORIES OF THAT HARROWING JULYNIGHT ARE EVERYWHERE .>> DRIVING AT NIGHT. THE SOUND OF DRIPPING WATER .>> Reporter: DRIPPING WATER. WHY ?>> BECAUSE I HEARD MY BLOODDRIPPING IN THE CAR INTO A POOL .>> Reporter: LIEUTENANT JENDALEY WAS CONVINCED THAT KEEPINGKRIS ERTMANN BEHIND BARS WAS THE \ ONLY \ WAY TO KEEP TIFFANY SAFE, AND SHE KNEW SHE WAS ONTOSOMETHING WITH THAT STICKY NOTE. WHATEVER YOU HEARD IN JANUARY OF2014 CHANGED EVERYTHING IN THISCASE .>> IT TOOK THIS CASE IN APLACE THAT WE NEVER SAW COMING .>> Reporter: IT TURNED OUT THE" RAYMOND" ERTMANN MENTIONED IS AFORMER INMATE. WE'RE ONLY USING HIS FIRST NAME. HE HAD SERVED TIME ON AMETHAMPHETAMINE POSSESSIONCHARGE. NOW OUT ON PROBATION, RAYMONDAGREED TO TALK WITH THEDETECTIVES ON CAMERA, ALTHOUGHHE WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT ABOUT .>> HE'S A CHARACTER. BUT WHEN HE TALKS, IT'SINSTANTLY CREDIBLE. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TOHIDE .>> Reporter: UNTIL SERGEANTTHOMPSON BROUGHT UP KRISERTMANN, AND SOMETHING CHANGED .>> Reporter: BUT DALEY SAW ACHANCE TO APPEAL TO RAYMOND'SCONSCIENCE .>> Reporter: IT WORKED .>> Reporter: FOR PROSECUTORRICHARD LARSEN, THAT WAS ACRUCIAL ADMISSION FROM ERTMANN .>> UP UNTIL THAT POINT, HE HADCLAIMED THAT HE HAD HAD NOINVOLVEMENT .>> Reporter: AND THAT WASN'TALL. RAYMOND TOLD THEM ABOUT AHANDWRITTEN LETTER THAT ERTMANNGAVE HIM TO COPY ONCE HE GOT OUTOF JAIL .>> Reporter: IT SOUNDED A LOTLIKE THE OTHER LETTER FROM " MARYOLSON ." REMEMBER, AUTHORITIES SUSPECTEDIT WAS ORCHESTRATED BY ERTMANN, BUT THEY COULDN'T PROVE IT. IF THEY COULD FIND \ THIS \ LETTERIN ERTMANN'S HANDWRITING, THEYCOULD CHARGE HIM WITHOBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE .>> Reporter: AND WHILE RAYMONDWAS GETTING THINGS OFF HISCHEST, THOMPSON TOOK A CHANCE .>> THAT QUESTION WAS PURELY JUSTA SHOT IN THE DARK .>> AND YOU CAN SEE JEN ALL OF ASUDDEN LEANS FORWARD, LIKE ," HOLY COW !">> Reporter: ACCORDING TORAYMOND, ERTMANN ASKED HIM TOHIRE A HIT MAN TO SILENCETIFFANY FOR GOOD .>> AT THAT MOMENT, WE REALIZETHAT THIS HAS GONE TO A WHOLENEW LEVEL, WHERE WE'VE GOTSOMEBODY WHO'S IN CUSTODY THATIS STILL TRYING TO ORCHESTRATETHE DEATH OF HIS VICTIM .>> Reporter: AND IF THEY COULDPROVE THAT KRIS ERTMANN WASLOOKING TO PUT OUT A HIT ONTIFFANY, THEY COULD CHARGE HIMWITH ANOTHER CRIME-- SOLICITATION TO COMMITAGGRAVATED MURDER-- POTENTIALLYENSURING THAT HE WOULD STAYBEHIND BARS FOR THE REST OF HISLIFE. BUT FIRST, THEY HAD TO WARNTIFFANY .>> HE WANTED TO HAVE ME KILLED. HE WANTED TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSEDO WHAT HE COULDN'T. I REMEMBER EVERYONE WAS ASLEEP. JUST SITTING ON THE FLOOR, CRYING AND ROCKING BACK ANDFORTH, AND WONDERING... IF I COULD EVER LEAVE THE HOUSEAGAIN .>> Reporter: AND THE CASEAGAINST ERTMANN GOT STRONGERWHEN RAYMOND WAS ABLE TO FINDTHAT ERTMANN LETTER .>> I REMEMBER JEN AND BOB COMINGIN WITH GREAT, BIG SMILES ONTHEIR FACE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, " WE'VE GOTIT .">> Reporter: A HANDWRITINGANALYSIS CONFIRMED THAT ERTMANN \ HAD \ WRITTEN IT. NEXT, DALEY AND THOMPSON SENTRAYMOND BACK IN TO VISIT ERTMANNTHROUGH THE JAIL'S VIDEOCONFERENCE SYSTEM .>> Reporter: THE GOAL: TO GETERTMANN ON TAPE TELLING RAYMONDTO SEND THAT LETTER TO THEJUDGE. AND MORE IMPORTANT, TO ORDER AHIT .>> Reporter: YOU GOT HIM .>> ON OBSTRUCTING CHARGES .>> Reporter: BUT WHEN IT CAME TOTHE HIT ...>> Reporter: WITHOUT THAT GREENLIGHT FROM ERTMANN, PROSECUTORSDIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THESOLICITATION CHARGE. AND THEY HAD USED UP THEIRSOURCE .>> Reporter: IT SEEMED LIKE ADEAD END .>> IT SUCKED. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THERE WAS A DEVASTATION, AND... AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSETHEN IT WAS, LIKE, " WHERE DO WEGO FROM HERE ?" I COULDN'T GIVE IT UP. I'M GLAD I NEVER GAVE IT UPBECAUSE THE NEXT STEP CAME .>> IF I HADN'T HAVE TOLD HIMWHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR, THERE ISNO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT HEWOULD'VE HAPPILY WATCHED MEBLEED TO DEATH .>> Reporter: DAVIS COUNTYDETECTIVES BOB THOMPSON AND JENDALEY WERE CONVINCED THAT EVENFROM JAIL, KRIS ERTMANN WASSTILL TRYING TO KILL HIS WIFE. THEY JUST COULDN'T PROVE IT .>> WE WERE DONE AT THAT POINT, OR SO WE THOUGHT .>> Reporter: AND THEN, OUT OFTHE BLUE, DALEY HEARD FROM AN" OLD FRIEND ," A JAILHOUSEINFORMANT WHO HAD GIVEN HERINFORMATION IN THE PAST .>> HE'S A BAD GUY. HE'S HURT PEOPLE. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MEET HIM UPIN AN ALLEY .>> Reporter: THE INMATE-- WE'RENOT USING HIS NAME AND WE'VEOBSCURED HIS FACE-- WAS BACK INTHE DAVIS COUNTY JAIL, IN THESAME CELLBLOCK AS KRIS ERTMANN. AND HE TOLD DALEY HE HADINFORMATION HE WAS WILLING TOTRADE FOR HELP WITH HIS CASE .>> AND I TOLD HIM, " NO. SO, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO TELLME WHAT YOU HAVE, OR THIS ISDONE .">> Reporter: DALEY KNEW FROMEXPERIENCE HOW UNRELIABLE THISPARTICULAR INMATE COULD BE .>> IN ONE MINUTE, THE GUY HASAMAZING INFORMATION AND IT'SVALIDATED. AND THEN, THE NEXT MINUTE, HESCREWS YOU .>> Reporter: STILL, THIS SNITCHKNEW SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUTTIFFANY'S ATTACK. AND THERE WAS MORE .>> KRIS IS TRYING TO GET HIM TOHIRE SOMEBODY TO KILL TIFFANY. I ALMOST FELL OFF MY SEATBECAUSE IF ANYBODY COULD DO IT, IT'S HIM. THIS HEIGHTENED IT EVEN MORE FORME .>> Reporter: SO, DALEY AND THETEAM DECIDED TO SET UP A STINGAND ARRANGE FOR ERTMANN TO BEINTRODUCED TO A PERSON POSING ASA HIRED GUN. DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THIS IDEATHAT THE DEFENDANT CAN SAY ," THIS WAS ENTRAPMENT, I WASN'TPLANNING ON HIRING A HIT MAN "?>> NOT AT ALL. I MEAN, THE CASE LAW'S VERYCLEAR. IT'S ONLY ENTRAPMENT IF THEGOVERNMENT IS CONVINCINGSOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING THEYWOULDN'T OTHERWISE DO. YOU DON'T GO AND SAY, " HEY ,\ CANI DO THIS FOR YOU ?" IT'S, " I'VE HEARD YOU \ WANT \ ME TODO THIS. IS THAT CORRECT ?">>\ HOW ARE YOU DOING NOW, MAN ?>> Reporter: SO, THEY TURNED TOAN UNDERCOVER COP WE'RE CALLING" JIM KELLY ." THIS IS YOU ?>> CORRECT .>> Reporter: AT \ THAT \ TIME, KELLYWAS WORKING IN NARCOTICS ANDKNEW HOW TO DEAL WITHINFORMANTS. THE DETECTIVES PUT THEIR PLAN INMOTION AND SENT KELLY TO VISITTHE INFORMANT AT THE JAIL .>> Reporter: THAT'S HIM IN THEUPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER TALKING TO KELLY .>> Reporter: HE HAD TOLD ERTMANNHE WAS MEETING WITH A HIT MANWHO COULD HELP HIM OUT .>> Reporter :\ THAT'S \ KRISERTMANN ?>> UH- HUH .>> Reporter: AND HE'S TAKING ALOOK AT YOU BECAUSE HE WANTS TOGET ...>> HE WANTS TO SEE WHO HE'STALKING TO BECAUSE HE'S CURIOUSTO SEE " WHO... WHO IS THISPERSON THAT'S GOING TO COME DOTHIS FOR ME .">> Reporter: BUT LOOKING IS ALLERTMANN DOES. INSTEAD OF TALKING, HE HANDS THEINMATE A PIECE OF PAPER TO SHOWTO THE HIT MAN .>> Reporter: IT'S THE ADDRESSWHERE TIFFANY IS STAYING. AND IS IT THE CORRECT ADDRESS ?>> IT IS. IT SHOWS THAT HE'S STARTING TOTAKE THE BAIT .>> Reporter: IT'S A START, BUTPROSECUTOR LARSEN SAYS IT'S NOTYET ENOUGH TO BRING NEW CHARGES .>> THE CRIMINAL ACT IS THESOLICITATION TO HAVE HER KILLED. JUST BECAUSE HE PROVIDES ANADDRESS OF HIS VICTIM ISN'TENOUGH .>> Reporter: THEY NEEDED ERTMANNTO CONFIRM ON CAMERA THAT HISEX- WIFE WAS THE TARGET. DETECTIVES WARNED TIFFANY ABOUTTHE LATEST THREAT AND ASKED HERTO POSE FOR PHOTOS STAGED TOLOOK LIKE SURVEILLANCE PHOTOSTAKEN BY THE HIT MAN .>> WE FILLED UP SOME BAGS, ANDSHE GOT IN HER CAR AND THEN GOTOUT AND WAS WALKING INTO THEHOUSE AS IF SHE JUST GOT HOMEFROM SHOPPING. AND WE TOOK PHOTOS .>> Reporter: JIM KELLY THENHEADED BACK TO THE JAIL WITH THEPHOTOS. BUT WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE WHOLETHING FALLS APART .>> IT STARTS TO IMPLODE .>> YEAH .>> Reporter: THE NOTORIOUSLYUNRELIABLE JAILHOUSE INFORMANTWANTED A DEAL. HE REFUSED TO COOPERATE ANYFURTHER UNLESS HE WAS RELEASEDFROM JAIL. PROSECUTOR JASON NELSON GOT THECALL .>> I WAS NOT VERY HAPPY. WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE EXTORTEDBY SOMEONE TRYING TO LEVERAGE USWITH EVIDENCE OF A POTENTIALFIRST- DEGREE FELONY .>> Reporter: THEY QUICKLY MOVEDTHE SNITCH OUT OF THE CELLBLOCK, BUT BOB THOMPSON WAS CONVINCEDHE'D ALREADY TIPPED OFF ERTMANN. IT'S ALL OVER .>> THAT'S WHAT IT FELT LIKE. THAT'S WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO ME. AND I THOUGHT ALL THIS HARD WORKJUST BECAME UNRAVELED BY ACAREER CRIMINAL .>> Reporter: STILL, JEN DALEYWAS DETERMINED .>> I WANTED THE UNDERCOVER COPTO STILL GO IN, ONLY VISIT KRISTHIS TIME. AND HE WAS, " NO, NO. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK ." AND I'M LIKE, " I DON'T CARE. I'M DOING IT ANYWAY .">> Reporter: SIX DAYS AFTER THATFIRST VISIT, JIM KELLY WALKEDBACK INTO THE VISITORS' ENTRANCEOF THE JAIL, ASKING TO SEE KRISERTMANN. JEN DALEY WAS IN HER OFFICE, WATCHING THE CLOCK AND PRAYING .>> I WAS A BASKET CASE. LIKE, I SERIOUSLY HADBUTTERFLIES IN MY BELLY, TO THEPOINT I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TOTHROW UP, WAITING. AND TICK, TOCK, TICK, TOCK .>> Reporter: AS JEN DALEY WAITS, UNDERCOVER COP JIM KELLY RETURNSTO THE DAVIS COUNTY JAIL ALONGWITH THOSE SURVEILLANCE PHOTOSOF TIFFANY MEAD. HE KNOWS IT'S A GAMBLE WITH LONGODDS. WOULD KRIS ERTMANN BE WILLING TOTALK TO HIM? YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE'SGOING TO PICK UP THE PHONE ORNOT, RIGHT ?>> NO .>> I CAN HEAR MYSELF TALKING ," PLEASE, LORD. PLEASE LET HIM PICK UP THATPHONE. PLEASE, HELP HER .">> AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW, I'M ON THE PHONE WITH HIM .>> THAT'S ERTMANN. AND THAT'S ME .>> Reporter: KELLY, POSING AS AHIT MAN, NEEDS TO GET ERTMANNTO IDENTIFY THE TARGET AND GIVEHIM THE GO AHEAD .>> Reporter: SO, KELLY SHOWS HIMTHE " SURVEILLANCE" PHOTOS TAKENBY THE DETECTIVES .>> Reporter: SO, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU KNOW ON YOUR OWN THAT HEWANTS SOMETHING DONE TO HISWIFE .>> DONE TO HER, YEAH. EXACTLY .>> Reporter: ERTMANN HAD BACKEDOUT BEFORE, SO KELLY NEEDS TOFIND OUT IF HE'S REALLY SERIOUSABOUT KILLING HIS WIFE. SOME PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, " IWANT TO KILL MY WIFE ." AND THEN, OTHER PEOPLE SAY ," I WANT TO \ KILL \ MY WIFE .">> RIGHT .>> Reporter: WHAT KIND OF THINGSDID YOU ASK HIM TO MAKE SURE HEREALLY WANTED HER DEAD ?>> UH- HUH. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE WERE BEINGRECORDED AND HE KNEW WE WEREBEING RECORDED, WE HAD TO KINDOF SPEAK IN A CODE .>> AND SO, I HAD TO DO THE BESTI COULD IN MAKING SURE THATWE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WEBELIEVED WE WERE TALKING ABOUT .>> THREE OR FOUR TIMES TRIED TOSAY THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW ," WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY ," ANDMAKING HIM AFFIRM THAT .>> Reporter: AND HE JUST SAYS ," YEAH, GO HAVE FUN .">> YEAH. LIKE, " GO HAVE FUN" WAS HARD TOHEAR .>> Reporter: AND THEN, IT'S TIMETO TALK MONEY .>> I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO KILLANYBODY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLARFIGURE IS .>> Reporter: SO, HE WENT

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GOOGLE. YOU CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE THEGOING RATE FOR MURDER- FOR- HIRE ?>> UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH. WE PUT THAT INTO GOOGLE, AND WEFOUND A NUMBER .>>\ I'M THINKING ABOUT 5K .>>\ YEAH .>> Reporter: KELLY HAD THE GREENLIGHT FROM ERTMANN. BUT JUST TO BE SURE, HE ASKEDAGAIN .(\ CLOCK TICKING \)>> Reporter: BACK IN HER OFFICE, JEN DALEY GETS THE NEWS SHE HADBEEN PRAYING FOR .>> AND I WENT FROM COMPLETEALMOST DESPAIR THAT WE LOST THISCASE, TO ELATION LIKE I HAVEN'TFELT, IN A BLINK OF AN EYE .>> IT WAS THE BEST FEELING EVER. WE KNEW THIS WAS A SOLID CASE, AND WE KNEW THAT WE COULD GETTHE CONVICTION NOW .>> Reporter: DALEY THEN CALLSTIFFANY .>> (\ SIGHS \) I WAS SO RELIEVED .>> Reporter: THE BEST FEELINGYOU'D HAD IN A WHILE ?>> YEAH. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE SAFEST IHAD BEEN SINCE ALL OF ITSTARTED .>> Reporter: ALONG WITH THEATTEMPTED MURDER CHARGE, PROSECUTORS NOW ADDEDOBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE ANDSOLICITATION TO COMMITAGGRAVATED MURDER .>> THAT MAN COMMITTED MOREFELONIES IN THE JAIL THAN HE DIDWHEN HE WAS FREE .>> Reporter: IT TOOK JEN DALEYAND BOB THOMPSON ALMOST A YEARTO GET THE EVIDENCE THEY HADHOPED WOULD KEEP KRIS ERTMANNLOCKED UP, BUT THE CASE WOULDNEVER GO TO TRIAL. DISAPPOINTED ?>> NO. NO. FOR TIFFANY. SHE DIDN'T WANT IT TO GO TOTRIAL .>> Reporter: PROSECUTORS OFFEREDKRIS ERTMANN A DEAL, AND HEPLEADED NO CONTEST .>>\ YEAH, I'LL TAKE BLAME FOR IT .\ YEAH, I DID IT .\ BUT I WAS NOT IN MY RIGHT MIND .\ I AM DANGEROUS .>> Reporter: KRIS SAYS THAT HEWAS SUFFERING FROM P. T. S. D .>> RIGHT .>> Reporter: YOU DON'T BUY THAT .>> I DON'T BUY IT AT ALL. WE HAD NO ACTUAL DIAGNOSIS OFP. T. S. D. FOR US, WE BELIEVED THAT THATWAS FICTIONAL, AND THAT HE WASONLY SAYING THAT TO TRY ANDNEGATE HIS PERSONALACCOUNTABILITY .>> Reporter: ERTMANN'S PLEA MEANS HE COULD SPEND ANYWHERE FROM SIX YEARS TO THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON. BY LAW, IN UTAH, IT WILL BE UP TO THE BOARD OF PARDONS AND PAROLE TO DECIDE WHEN ERTMANN WILL BE RELEASED. JEN DALEY MAKES THE 150- MILE DRIVE TO BE AT THE HEARING AND TO SUPPORT TIFFANY .>> AW, THERE'S MY GIRL. HOW ARE YOU DOING, HONEY? I, IN MY CAREER, HAVE NEVER ATTENDED A PAROLE HEARING, AND I WON'T MISS ONE OF HIS. I HOPE THAT I CAN HELP KEEP HIM THERE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE .>> Reporter: HE'S THAT DANGEROUS ?>> YES .>> Reporter: AT TIFFANY'S SIDE IS BUTTERS, HER VERY PROTECTIVE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT DOG .>> I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO KEEP THIS MONSTER LOCKED AWAY. I WAKE UP EVERY MORNING WONDERING IF TODAY IS GOING TO BE THE DAY THAT KRIS WILL SEND SOMEONE TO " HAVE FUN" KILLING ME. I AM HERE AGAIN, TERRIFIED. IF HE'S EVER RELEASED, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND HE WILL COME FOR ME, AND HE WILL FINISH WHAT HE STARTED. PLEASE HELP ME KEEP MY KIDS SAFE .>> Reporter: TIFFANY WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BOARD'S DECISION, BUT FIVE YEARS AFTER SHE WAS ALMOST KILLED, HER FUTURE SEEMS BRIGHTER. BESIDES HER LOVING FAMILY, SHE HAS A NEW HUSBAND AND HER EVER- PRESENT " GUARDIAN ANGEL ," CAPTAIN JEN DALEY .>> I'M SO HAPPY. YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB. YOU WERE STRONG .>> SHE'S MOVED MOUNTAINS. SHE'S... SHE'S HELPED SAVE MY LIFE .>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CARDS FELL THE WAY THEY DID. I'M JUST GRATEFUL IT ALL WORKED OUT FOR TIFFANY MEAD BECAUSE I GOT INVOLVED INTO THIS JOB IN 1989 TO HELP PEOPLE, AND I CAN SAY I HELPED ONE PERSON .>> YOU'RE ON WATCH NEWS CHANNEL 3 DAYBREAK .>>\ SHE REPORTED THE NEWS .>> THE TIME IS 6: 00, 64 DEGREES .>>\ WHEN SHE VANISHED, SHE \ WAS \ THE NEWS .>> IT APPEARED THAT JODI HAD BEEN ATTACKED FROM BEHIND AND THEN DRAGGED AWAY FROM HER CAR .>>\ POLICE QUESTIONED FRIENDS ...>> JODI SPENT MORE TIME WITH JOHN VANSICE. AND HE SAID, " I WAS THE LAST PERSON TO SEE HER .">>\... LOOKED FOR OBSESSED \ VIEWERS .>> DID SHE EVER EXPRESS CONCERN THAT SHE WAS BEING STALKED ?>> YES .>> YEAH .>> IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WE LEAST EXPECT .>>\ 23 YEARS AND COUNTING ...>> SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMETHING. IS IT YOU ?>>\... A COLD CASE HEATS UP, \ NEXT .>>\ CBS NEWS, ORIGINAL REPORTING.

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