Details on Minnesota fraud scheme

And, Jonah, how'd you get the case file? We asked for it. It's also about, of course, building relationships because this was a lot of exhibits that maybe were presented during the trial. These were cases that were first introduced in 2022. But in the way that it was described by investigators, it was like an iceberg. You see a little bit of what's above the water, but then typically, an iceberg is so much larger below the surface and what you can't see. And that's true, that frauds give birth to other frauds. And this is something that not only has materialized but metastasized. And this is something that we've been talking with investigators a lot, especially over the last few weeks and months, and especially since President Trump brought this back into the national spotlight. Again, these first indictments were brought down in 2022, but we've had recent indictments even from a few weeks ago. So again, we continue to see more of this investigation, and we continue to reveal more of what's been done with this federal taxpayer money. Jonah, as you know, as President Trump has talked about it, he's mentioned terrorism in Somalia and this fraud scheme. What do we know? Well, this is an important discussion and nuanced because in the investigation so far-- I've talked with several federal investigators and state investigators-- there is no evidence of a direct payment between any one of these suspects charged, any one of these perpetrators. It's not like they wrote out a check to Al-Shabaab in Somalia or any other ISIS or al-Qaeda-affiliated group. No money directly given to a terrorist network. However, if, let's say, you're sending money to family who lives in Somalia or in Mogadishu or in an area that maybe is controlled by an entity like Al-Shabaab, well, if they collect taxes-- you send $10,000, and they collect a tax of $1,000-- well, was that you supporting a terrorist organization? Not really, but that money still wound up in their hands. And so that's the kind of question that remains unanswered for investigators. And we also know, from some of these new documents that we've obtained, there's more than a million dollars, at least in this one case file, that were wire transferred to China. And that was not the final destination. But if you need that information from China, you're going to have to ask Beijing for it, and they're not exactly willing to give up that information.

Jonah, you keep digging. I know you will. And thank you for that reporting and valuable context. Really appreciate it. Great to be with you.