Extended Interview: Jacob Coxon

I do, yeah. A company also set to go public, we think, at some point, the not-so-distant future. For all the kids that are watching this at home, say you're in high school, they've read your posts on X, and they're thinking about, well, what can I do about this? What do you say to the next generation on how they can, I don't know, prevent the end of humanity? So I guess I can mostly say I'm hopeful that we can get better conditions. But you should think about how much of a say you want to have in-- if we develop a replacement or an alien mind, like a new species, do you want to have a say in what the mind of the species is? And if so, are you currently on track to have a say, and can you advocate to have more of a say? Yeah, one great proposal around this is the potential for research transparency, where research in artificial intelligence is forced to be public, because right now, it's happening in private silos. And I think, in this case, kids in high school who are definitely interested in it-- I mean, I have friends, and I remember being interested in AI when I was in high school. I think if I was in high school right now, I'd be going crazy not knowing what's happening and feeling like it's out of my control. So I'd encourage people to think about options like research transparency. So you said you still have equity in OpenAI? Yes.

A significant amount. Reasonable amount, yep. So why not relinquish that, if you really believe this and you don't think they should be racing? Yeah, I think, at that point, my mother and grandmother would really be convinced that I'm having a psychotic break right now. So maybe they think I'm going crazy. So in the future, I definitely would consider something like this. But I'm not going to rush into decisions after a tweet blows up. So you're not going to rush to any decisions to let go of your OpenAI equity, your shares? Is it a matter of economics for you that you need this to live your life? And stay in the US, potentially make donations, potentially do something in the world. So yeah, I'm not going to make any commitments yet. How much money could you make? I know it's impossible to say for sure. But will this mint you one of the new 100 millionaires, for example? No, not at all. Well, Jacob Coxon, thank you so much for the conversation. I appreciate it. I know we've been blowing up your phone, so thank you for getting back to us. In response to Coxon's social media posts, an Anthropic spokesperson did share a statement with us, and it said, quote, "We have always been transparent that AI will bring both enormous benefits and unprecedented risks." To address these risks, Anthropic tells us they continue to build models with some of the strongest safeguards in the industry. The company also tells me that they were the first to put out a public framework dedicated to mitigating catastrophic risks from AI models, as well as continuing to test all of their models.