GAYLE KING:
00:03:36
Do your own investigation. --family the same. Don't ever think that justice is going to be easy. I want to get back to the book, but last question here. What advice would you give individuals who are engaging with ICE or if ICE is engaging with them? It's so sad because my daughter asked these questions because people are so confused. You have to say, make sure you're videoing, like Gayle said, because we have to make a record. We have to document what they are doing. And we have to say the Constitution still matters. We are not a police state. I want to get back to the book, too, because the character's name is Beau Lee Cooper.
VLADIMIR DUTHIERS:
00:04:19
Doesn't he look like somebody sitting-- And I wonder, your name is Ben Crump. What's your middle name? Lloyd. Oh, so BLC. Similarities.
GAYLE KING:
00:04:30
Yeah, a lot of similarities. And he has a wife and he has a daughter, as you have a wife and you have a daughter. And he likes George Clinton and the Parliament-Funkadelic. Did you like that? I'm an Omega, so I love [INAUDIBLE]. He's an Omega.
NATE BURLESON:
00:04:41
Definitely. But have you always wanted to write a novel? Because I said, are you channeling your inner John Grisham here? Well, you know, Gayle, it's interesting because my personal hero, Thurgood Marshall, said once that most people won't ever know what actually happens in a courtroom. So he always wrote his briefs to be very engaging. And what is more engaging than a legal thriller? This is a civil-rights legal thriller. It's a civil-rights legal thriller because when I'm on those planes going all over America, I'm always reading John Grisham's The Rainmaker,
GAYLE KING:
00:05:13
You're reading John Grisham? --The Lincoln Lawyer--
GAYLE KING:
00:05:16
He's good. --with Michael Connelly. And I said, well, we're going to create a legal thriller, but it's going to have a different kind of flavor, a different culture to it. And so that's what we wanted to do with this civil-rights legal thriller. And now, more than ever in America, we could use a civil-rights legal thriller to engage us and educate us. I could see this as a movie or a series. Have you thought about it, Mr. Crump? Well they are--
GAYLE KING:
00:05:43
Well, uh, uh, uh. Have you thought about it? Well, there are a lot of cases, Gayle, that you know we've worked on, and there are a lot of those things we draw from in the Beau Lee Cooper series.
GAYLE KING:
00:05:51
OK, I'm going to take that as a yes. Oh, Beau Lee Cooper series. And speaking of that, I look good bald headed, so if you need a handsome man for the role-- [LAUGHTER] --I got you, baby. We're about the same size. All jokes aside, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate you, Ben Crump. It's a great book. Thank you, Nate. Thank you, Gayle. Of course. Thank you, Vlad.
NATE BURLESON:
00:06:08
All right, Worse than a Liecomes out February 17. Go ahead and scan the QR code-- we make it easy for you. It's on your screen right now-- to preorder the thriller inspired by Crump's own career.
