Face the Nation transcripts April 21, 2013: Boston bombings - Patrick, Davis, McCaul, more

Carlee Soto: Same. Basically you tell, you sit down with these senators and you sit down with their staff and you tell exactly what happened on December 14th. And you tell them all the excruciating details so they have that picture in their mind when they're casting their vote. And for them just to look at you like, nothing. They have no emotion. They're not, oh I'm sorry, it's nothing.

Neil Heslin: I'd like to go back. You know, Jesse's class, 11 children survived. That was in Vicki Soto's class. And Jesse was six-and-a-half years old and he was yelling, "Run. Run now." Four of the children ran at that point. When he yelled the second time, four more ran. And then one more ran, a total of nine. They survived. Jesse was shot and killed, looking that gunman in the face. He was shot in the forehead. And you know, the courage of a little six-year-old boy to even be able to think to yell, "Run" under those circumstances clearly showed he was no coward. The same as Vicki Soto was a hero. And she was no coward. And Dawn, Principal. They all looked him in the face. They all, eye-to-eye, and they were killed by him eye-to-eye. And it's beyond me how these Congressmen cannot stand up and support something that would prevent - or help prevent - something like this from ever occurring again. As simple as a background check, putting aside the assault weapon ban or limitation or control, it's just a stepping stone of the background check with the mental health and the school security. I think the most discouraging part of this week was to, after the vote, to see who voted and who didn't vote, support it, and realize it's a political game. It was nothing bipartisan about it, at all. And we aren't going to go away. I know I'm not. We're not going to stop until there are changes that are made.

Bob Schieffer: I know how hard it was for you even now to sit down and talk about it. But I thank you for coming and helping us tell your story. Thank you so much. And we'll be back.

Bob Schieffer: And we're back now with the former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Mayor Giuliani is in our New York studio this morning. Thanks to both of you. We just heard, Secretary Ridge, this heart-wrenching story being told by these families of the Newtown victims. What are we going to do about this?

Tom Ridge: Well that's one of the most poignant interviews I've heard in a long, long time, particularly the Dad talking about the six-year-old looking the shooter in the eye. The daughter talking about her mom and the principal and at the end of the day, I think the President has said and these people are absolutely determined to start the process. And as someone who previously voted for an assault weapon ban back in '85, I think it is certainly within the right, as a matter of public policy, to circumscribe your ability to access certain kinds of firearms and I certainly thought at least the background check would find bipartisan support. I regret that it didn't.

Bob Schieffer: Mayor Giuliani what do you think is going to happen on gun violence in this country? Are we any closer to containing it than we ever were?

Rudy Giuliani: In a strange way, I think we are. I mean, just having the debate was a lot better than what's happened in the last 10 years where this debate has been suppressed. I think Tom is pretty much exactly where I've been. I supported the assault weapons ban when I was a prosecutor and when I was the Mayor and in the Justice Department. Unfortunately, I think the way this was presented gave people who wanted to vote against it an out. It never dealt with the mental health aspect of this. So if you say, if this law had been passed would it have prevented Adam Lanza? The sad answer to it is no, it would not have prevented Adam Lanza because Adam Lanza was not in any database indicating that he had mental illness because all that information is kept very private. It's kept very confidential. If we're really going to improve here, if we're really going to be honest with these people you had on the show, and prevent, or attempt to prevent another Sandy Hook, you've got to do something about how secretive all of these mental health records are. The privacy aspect of it. It's one thing to say you have a background check and a database. It's another thing to say the information is not in the database. So you've got to deal with both parts of it. And I think that would have made a much more difficult vote for those people who voted against it. I would have voted for it in any event but I think it would have made it a more difficult vote.

Tom Ridge: I think Rudy has a good point, Bob. I was on the panel that investigated the Virginia Tech incident and again, there was a gap between the information available on the background check and what had been retained. And this individual was under a court order because of a psychological illness. So I think there's a lot to be done. But I think it would have been a very positive first step.

Rudy Giuliani: I agree.