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Expert Warns Of Swine Flu-Bird Flu Mix

Bird flu kills more than 60 percent of its human victims, but doesn't easily pass from person to person. Swine flu can be spread with a sneeze or handshake, but kills only a small fraction of the people it infects.

So what happens if they mix?

This is the scenario that has some scientists worried: The two viruses meet - possibly in Asia, where bird flu is endemic - and combine into a new bug that is both highly contagious and lethal, and can spread around the world.

Scientists are unsure how likely this possibility is, but note that the new swine flu strain - a never-before-seen mixture of pig, human and bird viruses - has shown itself to be especially adept at snatching evolutionarily advantageous genetic material from other flu viruses.

"This particular virus seems to have this unique ability to pick up other genes," said leading virologist Dr. Robert Webster, whose team discovered an ancestor of the current flu virus at a North Carolina pig farm in 1998.

The current swine flu strain - known as H1N1 - has sickened more than 2,350 people in 26 countries. While people can catch bird flu from birds, the bird flu virus - H5N1 - does not easily jump from person to person. It has killed at least 258 people worldwide since it began to ravage poultry stocks in Asia in late 2003.

The World Health Organization reported two new human cases of bird flu on Wednesday. One patient is recovering in Egypt, while another died in Vietnam - a reminder that the H5N1 virus is far from gone.

"Do not drop the ball in monitoring H5N1," WHO Director-General Margaret Chan told a meeting of Asia's top health officials in Bangkok on Friday by video link. "We have no idea how H5N1 will behave under the pressure of a pandemic."

Experts have long feared that bird flu could mutate into a form that spreads easily among people. The past three flu pandemics - the 1918 Spanish flu, the 1957-58 Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu of 1968-69 - were all linked to birds, though some scientists believe pigs also played a role in 1918.

Webster, who works at St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., said bird flu should be a worry now. Bird flu is endemic in parts of Asia and Africa, and cases of swine flu have already been confirmed in South Korea and Hong Kong.

"My great worry is that when this H1N1 virus gets into the epicenters for H5N1 in Indonesia, Egypt and China, we may have real problems," he told The Associated Press. "We have to watch what's going on very diligently now."

Spokesman Dave Daigle said he could not comment specifically on how concerned the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is about the scenario Webster describes, or what it is doing to study such a possibility.

Malik Peiris, a flu expert at Hong Kong University, said the more immediate worry is that swine flu will mix with regular flu viruses, as flu season begins in the Southern Hemisphere. It is unclear what such a combination would produce.

But he said there are indications that scenario is possible. Peiris noted that the swine flu virus jumped from a farmworker in Canada and infected about 220 pigs. The worker and the pigs recovered, but the incident showed how easily the virus can leap to a different species.

"It will get passed back to pigs and then probably go from pigs to humans," Peiris said. "So there would be opportunities for further reassortments to occur with viruses in pigs."

He said so far bird flu hasn't established itself in pigs - but that could change.

"H5N1 itself has not got established in pigs," he said. "If that were to happen and then these two viruses were both established in pigs in Asia, that would be quite a worrying scenario."

Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Minnesota who has advised the U.S. government on flu preparations, said while flu experts are discussing the scenario, he has yet to see specific evidence causing him to think it will happen.

"Everything with influenza is a huge guessing game because Mother Nature holds all the rules, and we don't even know what they are, so anything's possible," he said. "We don't have any evidence that this particular reassortment is that much more likely to pick up H5N1 than any other reassortment out there."

"We don't have to put these things together," he added. "This is not chocolate and peanut butter running into each other in the dark hallway."

But there is in fact discussion of putting them together - in a high-security laboratory - to see what a combination would look like, according to Webster. Similar tests have been done at the CDC mixing bird flu and seasonal human flu, resulting in a weak product, he said.

Daigle, the CDC spokesman, refused to comment on the prospect of any such experiment.

Webster has done groundbreaking work on both swine and bird flus in his 40-year career, and has followed the evolution of the current swine flu strain from a virus that sickened a handful of people who worked with North Carolina hogs into a bug that has spread from person to person around the world.

He is closely involved in the global effort to analyze what the virus might do next. It has killed 45 people in Mexico, two in Texas and one in Canada, but so far has not proven very deadly elsewhere, leading to some criticism that the World Health Organization's warnings of a potential pandemic have been overblown.

Webster said underestimating the swine flu virus would be a huge mistake.

"This H1N1 hasn't been overblown. It's a puppy, it's an infant, and it's growing," he said. "This virus has got the whole human population in the world to breed in - it's just happened. What we have to do is to watch it, and it may become a wimp and disappear, or it may become nasty."

Japan Confirms First Cases

Public broadcaster NHK says Japan has confirmed three people with swine flu, the country's first cases. NHK reported Saturday that the patients were passengers who arrived in Tokyo's Narita International Airport on a flight from Detroit the previous day, quoting the health ministry.

The three have been identified as two high school students and a teacher who had visited Canada on a school trip. They were quarantined after showing flu symptoms and tested positive in a primary test on board, NHK said. They are recovering at a hospital near the airport.

Canada Says Woman With Swine Flu Dies

A Canadian woman with swine flu has died, a health official said Friday, but he noted that she also had serious underlying medical conditions.

Dr. Andre Corriveau, Alberta's chief medical officer of health, said it's the first death associated with the swine flu in Canada.

The woman was in her 30s and had other health problems but Corriveau would not elaborate on them. She died on April 28 in her hometown in northern Alberta, Corriveau told reporters.

Health officials tested her remains earlier this week after a relative contracted a mild form of swine flu on May 5.

Corriveau said it's not clear what role swine flu played in her death.

"When she presented herself at the hospital, there were a number of medical conditions present, so physicians didn't think it was the swine flu at the time," he said.

Corriveau stressed that about 4,000 Canadians die each year from the flu.

"This virus is spreading like any other influenza. We get 4,000 deaths from the influenza virus a year. This is the first one we can document related to swine," Corriveau said.

Quarantine Ended At Hong Kong Hotel

Hong Kong on Friday lifted its weeklong quarantine on a downtown hotel where a Mexican swine flu patient stayed, releasing some 280 guests and employees who had been isolated in the building.

The Hong Kong government imposed the quarantine last Friday after diagnosing a 25-year-old man who flew to the city via Shanghai a day earlier. The patient, who was Asia's first confirmed swine flu case, was released from the hospital after a weeklong stay.

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With luggage in tow, guests cheered and waved to waiting reporters as they walked out of the Metropark Hotel in the Wan Chai bar and office district Friday.

A man who identified himself as a South Korean businessman shouted "I'm happy! I love Hong Kong people!" before breaking into song and hugging a policeman guarding the hotel. He did not give his name.

Another guest, Indian businessman Kevin Ireland, told The Associated Press he plans to check into another hotel and go out to dinner with friends.

"It feels very good to get out. We were treated well," the 45-year-old New Delhi resident said.

Some critics said the quarantine was a politically calculated overreaction, but the Hong Kong government has repeatedly defended the measure as necessary to contain the virus. Hong Kong is also wary of repeating the fallout of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, which killed 299 people here in 2003.

Some guests initially complained about being trapped, but the mood in the hotel appear to gradually shift to acceptance, then appreciation. A picture posted on the Metropark's Facebook page Friday showed guests slipping bills into a tip box for hotel staffers. Hong Kong officials also apologized to Metropark guests and offered them two extra days of hotel lodging after the quarantine and perks like Hong Kong Disneyland tickets, restaurant vouchers and movie tickets as a gesture of thanks.

Ireland told the AP he was understanding of the decision to quarantine the hotel, adding that the incident may have been blown out of proportion.

"You can't blame these people for being a little paranoid," Ireland told the AP in a phone interview, referring to Hong Kong's previous SARS outbreak.

"This has really been dramatized. We're not in Beirut or Gaza or Kabul," he said. "We're in Hong Kong, and downtown Hong Kong at that."

H1N1 Briefs:

  • Mexico has confirmed one more death from swine flu, bringing the national death toll to 45. Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova said tests also confirmed 159 more cases of swine flu, bringing the total number of people sickened to 1,319.
  • So far the swine flu virus has spread to 26 countries. Brazil and Argentina on Thursday became the second and third countries in South America to announce confirmed cases.
  • The World Health Organization said Thursday that >up to 2 billion people could be infected by swine flu if the current outbreak turns into a pandemic lasting two years. WHO said that the historical record of flu pandemics indicates one-third of the world's population is infected in such outbreaks.
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