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"The Takeout" - Major Garrett and Mr. Trump's Wild Ride

Major Garrett on "Mr. Trump's Wild Ride"
Major Garrett on his new book, SCOTUS drama and Trump's lasting impact 11:46

On "The Takeout" podcast this week, CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett talks about his new book, "Mr. Trump's Wild Ride," which chronicles the first 18 months of the Trump White House. He delves into the wildest moments of the Trump presidency, and "the ones that are going to stand the test of time, the ones that are history."

One such moment, he told substitute host Steven Portnoy, was the president's announcement of the travel ban, an executive order banning citizens of several predominantly-Muslim countries from entering the United States. Garrett wrote that the president was presented with eight options for the travel ban and described the various permutations of the ban -- and its public adjudication -- as a microcosm for the president's chaotic process of governing. The travel ban becomes, he says, "an absolute illustration of how this process both—to some doesn't work, and to some does work. You can actually appraise what you either like or dislike about the Trump presidency through the travel ban all by itself." In the end, the version of the travel ban Mr. Trump settled on was the least restrictive of those placed before him.

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In another episode, Garrett recounted that on the day Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel, Attorney General Jeff Sessions submitted his resignation to the president and retreated to his SUV on West Executive Drive in the White House complex. Garrett divulges the attorney general had to be coaxed to come back inside the White House by then-chief of staff Reince Priebus, who essentially talked Jeff Sessions "off this resignation ledge."

Even as negotiations over a presidential interview with Mueller have stalled, Garrett reveals that in fact there was at one point a date certain for a presidential interview with Mueller: Jan. 27, 2018. It was a date former White House Counsel Ty Cobb had scheduled with Mueller. When former Trump lawyer John Dowd discovered this, however, he went back to the president and convinced him not to do the interview. In the intervening months, the investigation has continued, and the special counsel has convicted five Trump associates.

Garrett says he hopes his book will be seen as "curious and rigorous," as he strives to evaluate the "legacy-making impact from this unique chapter at this unique time."

For more of Major's conversation with Steven Portnoy, download "The Takeout" podcast on Apple PodcastsGoogle PlayStitcher, or Spotify. New episodes are available every Friday morning. Also, you can watch "The Takeout" on CBSN Friday at 5pm9pm, and 12am ETand Saturday at 1pm, 9pm, and 12am ET. For a full archive of "The Takeout" episodes, visit And you can listen to "The Takeout" on select CBS News Radio affiliates (check your local listings).

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