Currie Testimony Excerpts Part 3

Q: We asked you about Monica's job search in New York, that she made a list of the places where she wanted to go, where she wanted to work and how much money she wanted to make. And you said that you remember seeing such a document. Is that right?

CURRIE: Sir, I don't remember seeing a New York document. The only thing I remember, and I could be wrong, is I thought she put together a document of jobs she wanted in Washington, White House or Washington, because I remember I thought it looked like something from the Plum Book, but I could be wrong.

Q: From the what book?

CURRIE: The Plum Book. The government search book.

JUROR: How many of the meetings that you arranged between the president and Monica have been business and how many have been personal?

CURRIE: ... The majority of them were more personal in nature as opposed to business.

Q: How many times, Mrs. Currie, did you sneak Monica in?

CURRIE: The best I can recollect, sir, it's just that one. ... And I wouldn't have used the word "sneak" except that's the word we use. I just put her in without anyone seeing and I don't want the impression of sneaking, but it's just that I brought her in without anyone seeing her. ...

Q: One of the grand jurors wanted to know if you were concerned about all of the time the president was spending with a 24-year-old young lady.

CURRIE: I had concern.

Q: What were those concerns?

CURRIE: ... I know he has said that young people keep him involved in what's happening in the world, so I knew that was one reason, but there was a concern of mine that she was spending more time than most. ...

JUROR: Do you recall expressing your concerns about the time she was spending with the president to Monica at all?

CURRIE: ... What I remember saying to her ... is I didn't know what was happening, I didn't want to know, don't tell me anything. And that's what I did. ...

JUROR: If you were concerned about her coming to the White House, you know, to see the president, why did you help her get in? ...

CURRIE: Sometimes ... she would call and I would not take her messages, but avoid her calls, and so I did the best I could.

JUROR: I was wondering, you know, if you had this concern, why would you help her in that way because it seemed like it was defeating the purpose.

CURRIE: Sometimes she would be so let's see upset, I'd renege and then say, OK ...

Q: The president was aware that Monica was looking for a job in New York?

CURRIE: I think so. I'm not positive, not sure.

Q: Didn't the president ask you to help Monica?

CURRIE: Get a job?

Q: Yes.


Q: In New York?

CURRIE: I don't remembe. I don't remember. ...

Q: Didn't the president also suggest Ambassador Richardson, too? That you should contact Ambassador Richardson?

CURRIE: The best I remember is that I went to John (Podesta) and told him I needed help finding a job for a friend. He has connections all over and the best I remember, he made the connection with Ambassador Richardson. ...

Q: ... Did the president tell you to contact Vernon Jordan to help Monica get the job ... in New York?

CURRIE: I don't remember the president telling me to contact Vernon to help get a job, help Monica get a job.

Q: What did the president tell you about getting help for Monica?

CURRIE: I was doing it on my own. I was dealing with John and Ambassador Richardson, which I thought was moving along fine and that was going to work out fine. And then when she said she didn't want that, then I went to Vernon, who has contacts in New York.

Q: Were you keeping the president apprised of what you were doing?

CURRIE: I may have been telling him that I'm doing this or the other, but it was not a daily update. Plus, I wasn't working on it daily. ...

Q: Is it possible ... that the president suggested that Vernon Jordan might be a good person to talk to about helping Monica?

CURRIE: No, I would imagine if he had his druthers, he probably would have said somebody else. Vernon was my friend. He has friends who have more connections than Vernon, I'm sure, especially in New York. Vernon is my friend and Vernon I know has international and national connections.

Q: Did you ever ask Mr. Jordan to help anyone else out before? To get a job?

CURRIE: I don't think I did. ...

Q: The fact that there are three phone calls to and from the president to Vernon Jordan right after a meeting between the president and Monica Lewinsky, does that suggest to you that these calls may have been about Monica Lewinsky?

CURRIE: Not to me. No.

Q: Is it possible?

CURRIE: Anything is possible, but the realm of what they could talk about is just a zillion things and that could be one.

Q: ... You talk to Marsha Scott about her meeting with Monica and then Marsha tells you, "I don't think it's a good idea that Monica come back to the White House."

CURRIE: And at that point, I sort of agreed with Marsha.

Q: Why did you agree with her?

CURRIE: She had been calling me. She had been she has not been stalking me, but she had been becoming extremely frustrated and disappointed and all those words. ...

Q: And so why didn't you think it's a good idea?

CURRIE: Because she was becoming a little bit I'm trying to think of a proper word for it. I don't want too say belligerent or nasty, but a little bit pushy, I guess was the word, and demnding, I guess, is a word I would use. ...

Q: He instructed you and Marsha to continue your efforts to try to get her back in the White House.

CURRIE: Correct. ... At one point, ... Monica was going to work in Marsha's office, a detail from the Pentagon to the White House, but it didn't materialize ... apparently for a detail to work, the giving agency has to agree because they've got to pay her salary and it didn't work out and I think the Pentagon didn't want to pay for her or something to that effect. ... I don't know if I ever told him that. I don't know if I told him., if Marsha told him or somebody, but he was aware. ... I think he knew that ... we had redoubled our effort. I don't remember him saying to retriple our effort.

Q: ... you did save some of the cards that Monica sent you.

CURRIE: Well, part of the reason I saved the cards, they came in with a group of sympathy cards and they got put in there. Had I not gone through the cards, I would not have thought I kept them. ... I think Marsha was taking it was a personnel action, people had to be qualified for certain things, look at your background ... And I think Monica expected her to bypass all that and proceed. ... I remember when he brought this stuff to me, he had this stuff, I said, "Oh, goody, because Monica wants some Black Dog stuff."

Q: He didn't even bring up Monica's name?

CURRIE: I don't remember Monica's name coming up at all.

Q: So as far as you know, none of this stuff was even going to go to Monica.

CURRIE: I was going to give it out to whomever I wanted. ... I told her the president brought this stuff back ... or that the president had this stuff and he had given it to me to give out.

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