60 Minutes: Assad and Obama on Syria's civil war

In the aftermath of a chemical weapons attack, Charlie Rose speaks to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Scott Pelley interviews President Obama

Charlie Rose: With respect, sir, you say that the rebels only survived because they have support from Saudi Arabia and Turkey and the United States and Qatar perhaps--

Bashar al-Assad: No, the difference--

Charlie Rose: And I'm saying that they say--

Bashar al-Assad: No, no, no.

Charlie Rose: --you only survived--

Bashar al-Assad: No.

Charlie Rose: --because you have the support of Russia and Iran and Hezbollah--

Bashar al-Assad: No, the external support can never substitute internal support. Can never, for sure. And the example that you have to look at very well Egypt and Tunisia. They have all the support from the West and from the Gulf and then from the most of the countries in the world. What they don't have support within their country, they couldn't continue more than how many weeks? Three weeks.

Charlie Rose: You and I have talked about this before. And we remember Hama and your father, Hafez al-Assad. He ruthlessly set out to eliminate the Muslim Brotherhood. Are you simply being your father's son here?

Bashar al-Assad: I don't know what you mean by ruthlessly, because--

Charlie Rose: You know what happened at Hama.

Bashar al-Assad: I've never heard the war-- soft war. Have you heard about soft war? There is no soft war. War is a war. Any war is ruthless. And when you fight terrorists, you fight them like any other war.

Charlie Rose: So the lessons--

Bashar al-Assad: Sorry.

Charlie Rose: --you have here are the lessons you've learned from your father and what he did in Hama, and-- which it is said m-- and influenced you greatly.

Bashar al-Assad: The-- said what? Sorry.

Charlie Rose: It is said that what your father did at Hama influenced you greatly in terms of your understanding of what you have to do.

Bashar al-Assad: Good question, what would you do as American if the terrorists invading your country from different areas and started killing tens of thousands of Americans--

Charlie Rose: You keep saying these are terrorists, but in fact, it is a popular revolution, people believe--

Bashar al-Assad: No.

Charlie Rose: --against you that was part of the Arab Spring that influenced some of the other countries.

Bashar al-Assad: Revolution should be Syrian. Cannot be revolution imported from abroad.

Charlie Rose: But it didn't start from abroad. It started here.

Bashar al-Assad: Here, but those people that started here, they support the government now. Again that what you don't know. Do you don't know as American, you don't know as a reporter. That's why talking about what happened at the very beginning is completely different from what's happening now. It's not the same. There's very high dynamic things that are changing on daily basis. So it's completely different image. Those people, though, who wanted revolution, they are cooperating with us.

Charlie Rose: I'm asking you again. Is it, in fact, you being your father's son, and you believe that the only way to drive out people is to eliminate them the same way your father did.

Bashar al-Assad: In being independent, yes. In fighting terrorism, yes. In defending the Syrian people and the country, yes.

Charlie Rose: When I first interviewed you, there was talk of "Bashar al-Assad, he's the hope. He's the reformer." That's not what they say anymore.

Bashar al-Assad: Who?

Charlie Rose: People who write about you, people who talk about you, people who analyze Syria and your regime.