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July 16, 2009 11:43 AM

A 2012 GOP Frontrunner? Not So Fast!

We're two and a half years away from the 2012 Iowa presidential caucuses but that's not stopping the fevered pitch of speculation about who's up and who's down in the GOP, who might be running and who isn't.

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Case in point: Gallup is out with a poll today that shows, "About one in four Republicans and Republican-leaning independents make Mitt Romney their top choice for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, giving him a slight edge over Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee.

"Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is the choice of 14% of Republicans, with much smaller numbers choosing current Govs. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Haley Barbour of Mississippi."

Now, while the blogosphere will light up about this "news," we should all take a deep breath before we start planning for the Obama vs. Romney debates.

Let's go ahead and turn on the time machine and go back and look at some early presidential polling in past years.

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Gallup, Aug. 9, 2005: "There are two leading candidates for the GOP nomination at this point (should they end up running, of course): Arizona Sen. John McCain and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Twenty-seven percent of Republicans who are registered to vote pick Giuliani as their nominee, while 24% pick McCain. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice comes in third with 19%, followed by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist with 9%, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 4%, and New York Gov. George Pataki and former Virginia Gov. George Allen with 3% each."

Friendly reminder: Giuliani didn't get past January 2008's primaries.

The poll continues: "On the Democratic side, there is no contest. New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is chosen by 40% of Democratic registered voters. John Kerry and John Edwards -- both from the 2004 Democratic presidential ticket -- tie for second with 16% and 15% of Democrats' votes, respectively. Everyone else in single digits, including Delaware Sen. Joe Biden with 9%, and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark with 5%."

No contest on the Democratic side? Two and a half years later, Obama, who wasn't even in the poll, defeated Clinton in Iowa.

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CBS News, Aug. 31, 2003, in response to the question, "Who would you like to see the Democratic party nominate as its presidential candidate in 2004--Howard Dean, John Edwards, Richard Gephardt, Bob Graham, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Lieberman, Carol Moseley-Braun, Al Sharpton, or someone else?", 14 percent of registered Democrats chose Lieberman, 11 percent Dean, 10 percent said Gephardt and only 5 percent said Kerry, the eventual nominee - and this was only 4 and a half months before Kerry won the Iowa caucus.

Just six weeks before that, 66 percent of respondents told CBS News/New York Times pollsters that they couldn't name any of the candidates running for the Democratic nomination.

And this isn't a recent phenomenon.

Looking back through past CBS News/New York Times polls reveals some interesting numbers.

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Sept. 1, 1978, Republicans: 32 percent preferred former President Gerald Ford over 29 percent for the eventual president Ronald Reagan. Ford didn't even run.

Nov. 4, 1986, Democrats: 28 percent preferred former Sen. Gary Hart, D-Colo., (who dropped out after a sex scandal), 17 percent liked former Gov. Mario Cuomo, D-N.Y., who didn't run. The eventual nominee, former Gov. Mike Dukakis, D-Mass., wasn't included in the poll.

Oct. 21, 1991 (four months before the N.H. primary), Democrats: 27 percent preferred Cuomo (didn't run), 13 percent wanted Rev. Jesse Jackson (didn't run), 7 percent said former California Gov. Jerry Brown, 6 percent preferred former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder and, finally, 5 percent chose the eventual president, Bill Clinton.

So, now, according to Gallup, Mitt Romney is the frontrunner in a campaign that is many, many months from getting underway.

Yes, polls are a snapshot of what is going on at a particular time. However, if the poll question asks about something that hasn't fully formed yet, what does the poll actually tell you?

There is more tangible evidence about who may or may not be a viable candidate other than early polling.

Fund-raising (for instance, Romney's political action committee pulled in $1.6 million so far this year; Palin's over $700,000), travel, managing their public profile, helping out their fellow Republicans - over the next 18 months, whoever shines the most in these departments will boost their viability.

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Romney, Gingrich and Huckabee have a head start since they don't have day jobs. Palin is shedding hers at the end of the month; Pawlenty in January 2011.

Staying out of trouble should be also added to that list. Just ask former "potential" 2012 candidates who were widely considered "rising stars": Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., and Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.

Oh, and let's not forget that there may very well be a name or two that isn't on anyone's radar right now (see above: Dukakis, Obama).

As we continue to monitor the names mentioned in today's poll, it's probably wise to remember that there's more to a presidential contest than early polling numbers. A lot more.

Steve Chaggaris is CBS News' political director.
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by mattcat25 July 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT
Republicans will vote for anyone, as long as they aren't a Democrat.

Oops! Ronald Reagan was the Democratic Governor from California...

I guess Republicans would vote for ANYONE!
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by HGOODGUY July 17, 2009 12:19 AM EDT
THE GOP IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL THEY GET RID OF THE SAME OLD "FLAT TIRES" SENDING OUT THE SAME OLD "STALE AIR"
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by benighse July 16, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
Mormon Mitt? Mybe he'll have polygamy re-instated...The C Street Christian Nookie Center will then have some legitimacy.
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by swin5 July 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT
Could you imagine a debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama when the discussion turns to economics? It would be like the Pittsburgh Steelers playing the neighborhood pee wee football team. I'll let you figure out who's who - the successful businessman versus the community organizer.
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by gravyboat4000 July 16, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
Republican conversation:

Lefty,(just a coincidence, he lost his right hand in a farming accident)
"So, scooter, who you gonna vote for in 2012?"

Scooter,"Imma leanin to that there Romneee feller".

Lefty,"Idn't he part a Obammy's group?"

Scooter,"Nah, yur thinkin of the Jew boy that runs the east wing for Obammy, or some damn thing" (Rahm Emanuel, please try to keep up)

Scooter continues,"See, Romneee's that there morman feller, but he's a smart guy."

Lefty,"I dont rightly know if I can vote for a non-christian".

Scooter,"Them mormans is chrsitian, they just believe that Jesus was born in south america, or some damn place. And they believe in some sorta later day saints".

Lefty,"what IN THE HELL is a later day saint?"

Scooter,"hell, I don't know, but at least he ain't another damn A-Rab".

Both smile, grab beers, poke the bottom of the cans with a screw driver, and pop them open over their mouths. Drenched in beer, they high five, chest bump and admire each other's tattoos of Dale Earnhardt Jr.
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by lovegetpeace July 16, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
The Republican Party will become obsolete simply because Minorities are becoming the Majorities and the Majorities are becoming the Minorities.

The Main Winning Ideology is changing due to major Demographic changes right under their own noses and they still do not seen to have noticed it.

I cannot say it any better than that.
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by giantrobot2 July 16, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
BREAKING NEWS >>>...

The author got part of the early Presidential analysis correct. The early polling is not a true indicator. As with Rudy Guiliani, most polled don't even go bother to vote. Early polls are not a good indicator of what will occur.

And neither is their war chest. Look at Romney, he spent $100 million and he dropped out early because of lack of support.

The true indicator of a Presidential leader is the grassroots movements that brewing in America. Those are the people that will roll up their sleeves and go out and vote.

And when that's the measure, Mike Huckabee is leading by a landslide. He has the most energetic fans on the planet. His popularity has been soaring since the Presidential run.

There are Huckabeee Fans from 50 States that span 347 counties in America and expanding daily. Before 2012 arrives there will be a Huckabee Fan in every county of every state in America. Check out the gigantic grassroots movement for Huckabee with the link below:

>>> http://www.freewebs.com/huckapedia

If link does not show then Google: Huckabee Fan Club

Ronald Reagan made a comeback win from a loss in 1976 to a landslide Presidential victory in 1980 and so will Mike Huckabee. Both of these great American?s have so many similar characteristics:

1. Both long term governor?s of their state
2. Both had their TV shows
3. Both had their Radio shows
4. Both are strong Pro-Life conservatives
5. Both are for tax reform (Supply side and Fair Tax)
6. Both came into a recession economy
7. Both of them the establishment didn?t jump on board with right away
8. Both of them are Charismatic leaders
9. Both are for limited government
10. Both are Great Communicators

So don?t trust the polls OR their war chest funds, instead trust those that are rolling up their sleeves with grassroots organization like the Huckabee Fans to rally night and day around their Presidential pick for 2012.

There is no hill too high for a Huckabee Fan to climb. Onward Huckabee Fans!!!
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by lovegetpeace July 16, 2009 5:58 PM EDT
IF the economy improves, as all the experts believe it will sooner or later, then Democrat President Obama will have an easy re-election on Nov 2012 if these are the best leaders the Republicans have to offer.
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by beaumuff July 16, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
Hey Reveal5, go on down to Texas and tell them that, we won't have to hear your BS no more. Better yet go tell it to Al Gore, another great Democrap. Unplug your electric so good ole Al can heat another swimming pool or two. As if 5 isn't enough. Join the "make more for Gore" global heating thing.
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by lovegetpeace July 16, 2009 5:56 PM EDT
If these are the best leaders the Republicans have, then Democrat President Obama is guarateed a sure 2nd term in office on Nov 2012.

Good for me.
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by nanc12 July 16, 2009 5:32 PM EDT
by IThoughtItWasFunnyNupe July 16, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
Hey Skyk, the red states are perfectly willing to divorce themselves from your blue states. What say we just get this divorce over with?
Is it a deal?

Sure, rowdy, it's a deal. That secession stuff worked so well for you guys the last time.

Of course, if you're seceding, I guess we should tell your illustrious governor, who is now asking for a loan from the US government of the stimulus money he turned down, "Thanks, but no thanks!"

What a joke you texans are.
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by carlyt1 July 16, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
Gallup shows 3 Musketeers are leading the pack for 2012. The GOP is in trouble big time. There is a very interesting related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588
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by eclecticman1 July 16, 2009 5:24 PM EDT
DESPITE THE RAVINGS AND RATINGS OF THE WHITE SUPREMISTS HERE, THE TRUTH IS THAT THEIR PARTY - THE GOP - IS IN DEEP TROUBLE AS THE COUNTRY MOVES MORE AND MORE AWAY FROM THEIR IDEAL....THE WHITE MAN IN CHARGE.
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by beaumuff July 16, 2009 5:39 PM EDT
So you want to end up like that country in Africa where they {Mugabee} took the land from the the white farmer that fed them and gave it to the do nothings and the whole place turnes into a slum that can't feed themselfs.
by beaumuff July 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
Yes and the real fun part will come when all the Obamabots don't get their check and the bills start rolling in. Just ask Jimmy Carter how that worked out for him.
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by Slrman July 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
IThoughtItWasFunnyNupe You are a typical moronic neo-con. You are still harping on the non-issue of Obama' Birth. So listen up and try to understand simple English. His mother was an American. That makes him a Natural-born American no matter where or when he was born. He IS the president. There are far more serious issues at stake here than wasting your limited mentality on something that should be obvious to most people with an IQ higher than that of a doorknob.

I suspect most of the real potential Republican candidates will sit out 2012 and hope that Obama does something that will discredit the Dems maybe 1/4 as much as Bush did the repugnicans. The there might be a chance for the GOP, but not likely. If you think I'm wrong, prove it with some verifiable facts!
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by cyndiv1 July 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
To the Republican Party:

DREAMS ARE FREE!!
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by txlakeside July 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
Please run Sarah! The Dems will gladly thank you ahead of time! And if not Sarah then please vote for the neoCON Morman ... next best thing to Palin!
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by beaumuff July 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
Who yo gonna vote for? This Obungler in cheif we have now won't make it. Hillary is is just in the waiting. Thats why she joined this group of half wits. She will have so much dirt on them they won't need a primary.
by beaumuff July 16, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
hey wassel then you just proved my point then, there is no difference between Obama and Bush. Thanks for the class. Also it would not hurt you to take a few night classes also. Also I did not lie, I just never seen the pictures that somebody stuck together to cover for Obamas azzz.
by rwassel July 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
Nice try - but just like Bush and other unpatriotic neo-cons, it seems you have a hard time admitting when you are WRONG. I'm not the one that said it was bad to bow to kings - you brought that into the fray, genius.
by beaumuff July 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT
What is it you Obamabots love about him and you didn't love Bush? Same policies, just a different party. The only thing I see is Bush didn't bow to kings and dictators. Is that what you like so much?
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by rwassel July 16, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
"Bush didn't bow to kings and dictators"

Oh really? Check out http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/zz72682359.jpg

Class dismissed.
by beaumuff July 16, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
What class would that be you obamabunglerbot?
by rwassel July 16, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
The class where you blantantly lied about Bush not bowing to kings, and where I proved you wrong with a picture (one of several I had to choose from). You know, class - where you go to learn about something, get taught...get "schooled".

It's not that it is so much fun to call out you right-wing hypocrites for spreading false information - it's just that you make it so darn EASY!
by johndevinejr July 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT
by IThoughtItWasFunnyNupe July 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT

This is hilarious...the only ones speculating and tyring to second guess the 2012 elections are the commies because they're totally paranoid...


Anyone who is even marginally sane hopes that no republican is elected President for the foreseeable future.

When you look at the debacle the republicans have left us with we cannot afford to let them further destroy the country.

Fortunately they comprise about 17% of the electorate. Even that is amazing given the unmitigated disaster they have visited on the nation because of their failed and irrational policies.

The remaining 17% have little or know common sense, they endlessly repeat what their party leader Rush Limbaugh or that other jackazz Sean Hannity says.
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by mahalapril July 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
johndevinejr - YOU MUST BE AN UGLY ************** FILIPINO .
by beaumuff July 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT
We don't have to worry about the republicans destroying the country. President Pelosi, VP Reid, foot in the mouth Biden,bless his heart, and side kick Obama are doing a rel bang up job of that.
by mahalapril July 16, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
NO MATTER WHAT CRITICISMS OR VICIOUS ATTACKS ON PALIN ARE, PALIN IS THE MOST CHARISMATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN 2012. NO FORCE ON EARTH AN STOP PALIN FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT.PALIN IS A REGULAR,BEAUTIFUL,TRUE ALL-AMERICAN WOMAN. IF PALIN IS THE PRESIDENT THIS YEAR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALREADY ON THE WAY TO RECOVERY BY NOW. THE STUPID LIBERALS ELECTED THE NAIVE,INCOMPETENT,ISLAMIC SYMPATHIZER, PATHOLOGICAL LIAR OBAMA WHO WAS JUST A "COMMUNITY DISORGANIZER" AND A "VOTE PRESENT" SENATOR. WE ARE NOW GOING INTO BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE OF THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE ECONOMY BY THE INCOMPETENT OBAMA AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. SARAH PALIN IN CONTRAST HAVE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE AS A GOV. IN ALASKA,BALANCED THE BUDGET IN ALASKA,INSTITUTED ETHICS REFORM AGAINST HER FELLOW REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND WELL- VERSED IN NATIONAL SECURITY AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE ALASKA NATIONAL GUARDS AS WE HAVE BOTH OFFENSIVE NUCLEAR AND DEFENSIVE NUCLEAR SHIELD MISSILES AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS IN ALASKA. BY THE WAY SARAH PALIN CAN NAME MORE NEWSPAPERS COMPARED TO THE WHOLE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS COMBINED BECAUSE SHE IS A JOURNALISM MAJOR GRADUATE.
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by johndevinejr July 16, 2009 3:12 PM EDT
You are absolutely correct. Sarah Palin is the best candidate for the republican party. Please select her as the republican nominee for President of the United States.

She is the epitome of conservative / republican ideals.

Please, please nominate her.
by johndevinejr July 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
PUTANG INA MO!
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