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July 8, 2009 11:06 AM

Health Care Bipartisanship Falling Apart?

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President Obama and Senate congressional leaders have insisted from the get-go that they wanted their efforts at health care reform to be bipartisan. However, as the clock winds down to their self-imposed deadline for reform, liberal and centrist Democrats alike seem to be tired of waiting for their Republican counterparts to get on board.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday reportedly told Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who is in charge of health care reform in the Senate Finance Committee, to forget about winning Republican support for the legislation. Furthermore, the Senate leader told Baucus that as many as 10 to 15 Democrats would drop their support for the bill if it does not include a government-sponsored health insurance plan, or "public option," but taxes health benefits, according to the newspaper Roll Call.

Baucus has been working closely to try to forge a bipartisan compromise with Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the top Republican on the committee, but Grassley has refused to budge from his position against the public plan.

"I am going to make sure we are not going to nationalize health insurance, and a public plan is the first step to doing that," Grassley said on "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

Baucus and Grassley have been trying to work out their differences before introducing health care legislation in the Finance Committee. Meanwhile, Sen. Ted Kennedy's Health, Educaiton, Labor and Pensions Committee has introduced a bill thought to be more liberal than anything the Finance team has been considering, with a proposal for a public option and a mandate for employers to provide benefits.

Now that Reid has informed Baucus that bipartisanship is no longer a priority, his committee has already started reconsidering the idea of taxing some health care benefits, an idea that is highly unpopular with the public and opposed by the president -- but seen as a means of making the reform package deficit-neutral.

Reid's push for liberal health care reform came on the very day Al Franken was sworn in as a senator for Minnesota, bringing the Democrats' majority in the Senate to a filibuster-proof count of 60.


The change in strategy also corresponds with stepped-up efforts from progressives in Congress to put their foot down on what they consider to be critical components of reform, like the public option. Liberal Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has gone so far as to say he will start a "Coalition of the Unwilling" -- a group of progressives unwilling to compromise on the public option – formed in response to Baucus' bipartisan-minded "Coalition of the Willing."

Yesterday, the Congressional Progressive Caucus sent a letter to Mr. Obama restating that "its members cannot support final passage of any health care reform bill that does not include a robust public plan option, akin to Medicare, operating alongside the private plans." The CPC is the largest non-party caucus in Congress and has nearly 80 members.

The letter was sent in response to questions that arose yesterday as to whether the Obama administration would be willing to negotiate on the public option, after White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel indicated as much in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. Mr. Obama, however, quickly put out a statement -- all the way from Moscow -- reaffirming his support for the public option.
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by erasmus111 July 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
by jon2012-2009 July 8, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
Right on. The Republicans don't seem to have any useful ideas on things that matter every day: health care, the economy, energy. I don't know exactly what their reason for being might be, you know, their role in the grand scheme of things. I hope this means they don't serve any sustainable purpose and they're about to be swept aside by something else that will take their place on the political scene and give the Democrats real competition. Competition is good, the market of ideas generates the best solution that we can all benefit from.


In Canada, there are 5 parties.
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by bajajohn1 July 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT
You can lead an elephant to water, but you can't make him drink. So with or without elephants, healthcare will get passed.
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by noloyalisti July 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
There is only one way to go. Universal single payer that cuts most profit out of the system. Get rid of the greedy non-human medical insurance companies and drug companies who get between us and quality health care. That is why we are rated 37th in the world but pay the most.
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by mld678 July 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
Having access to affordable health care coverage as costs rise, is a key issue for many Americans right now. We need a tax code that rewards achievement and encourages investment for a successful economy. The Obama administration needs to enact policies that bring tax rates in line with our global competitors, but need some encouragement! The Friends of the U.S. Chamber supports these efforts. Sign the economic and tax policy petition at http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/takeaction/index.cfm?ID=42
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by noloyalisti July 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT
We have some of the lowest tax rates in the world. Countries like France pay slightly more but have health care, education and child care taken care of. Here we are run by greedy non-feeling, non-human big corporations. There would be plenty of money if we had a fair system with real competition. Not the current corporate run system.
by NBCMichael July 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOO MUCH OF AMERICA?S GDP IS SPENT ON HEALTH CARE.

BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CREATED THE PROBLEM:

Decades ago the government passed ?pay or play? tax incentives that encouraged employers to provide employees with health insurance.

And America was hooked on health care the way junkies get hooked on smack. The dealer gave free samples until the client was hooked.

When I was young America was the world?s wealthiest nation. And employer provided health insurance paid 100% of medical costs. Because it was free it was abused. Mom took children to the emergency room for a rash and to the doctor for a small cut. Demand was artificially high.

Cost shifting provided for the uninsured. Patients with good insurance policies and wealthy patients with no insurance policies received inflated invoices to cover the costs of those who could not pay. Health care providers and hospitals robbed from the rich to provide health care for the poor.

It is instructive that during the time when America enjoyed great wealth the Federal Government expressed no concern for the plight of the uninsured!

But over time manufacturing jobs moved overseas and were replaced with lower paying service economy jobs. Consequently, employers offered health insurance with less coverage and higher deductibles and co-pays.

Were factory jobs lost because America could not compete with manufacturers in countries where government paid for health care? Regardless, American leaders would not raise tariffs to level the playing field and signed GATT and NAFTA into law!

And America?s leaders permitted millions of ?illegal? aliens to cross the border to do work American?s would not do. Our schools educated their children, our State governments gave them drivers licenses, our banks granted them mortgages and our hospitals provided them health care.

BOGUS SOLUTION

Now that America is the worlds biggest debtor nation the Federal Government has decided the plight of the uninsured is unconscionable and universal coverage is a moral imperative.

But this is not about the 46 million uninsured. It is about assuring health insurance companies? market share and health care professionals expected incomes and lifestyles.

The health system in America has been based on a larger and more affluent generation of young policy holders offsetting the health cost of middle aged and seniors. This formula is being upset by the WWII baby boomers generation approaching retirement and the global recession.

President Obama wants every American citizen to be required to buy a health insurance policy. He compares it to the requirement that motorists purchase auto insurance. But while driving is a privilege, life and the pursuit of happiness is a right!

Where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights is the Federal Governments authority to require the purchase of a health insurance policy as a condition of having been born?
Where is freedom when government has the power to tell you how to spend after tax dollars? What distinguishes disposable income from taxes?

As for the proposal that the IRS be charged with fining citizens who do not purchase a health insurance policy, since the federal government just prints more paper money to pay debt why is taxation or the IRS even necessary. Just shutdown the IRS and transfer its budget to indigent care!

FREE MARKET IS THE SOLUTION

Is providing health care an enumerated power or responsibility of the Federal Government?

The Federal Government lacks any authority to preach fiscal responsibility. It has exhibited none in my lifetime and has reduced the wealthiest nation on the planet to world?s biggest debtor nation.

But Ma and Pa citizen have had to balance a checkbook their entire lives. The solution is to return control of health care spending to them.

Pass a law making it illegal for an employer to offer health insurance as an employee benefit. End wage stagnation and give employees raises instead.

Doing away with group health insurance and forcing insurance providers to compete for individual business will permit cost conscious Ma and Pa to shop for the best deal, like they do auto insurance. Then the free market will bring costs under control!
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by credibility2 July 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT
I don't want my taxes going into a system that provides health care for illegals. They are burdening our system as well as the kids they've had here just to get automatic citizenship for them, which further drains our education and health care systems.
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by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT
80% of american agree with you according to the latest polls.
63% do want a public plan but 80% want to make sure illegals are not eligable. At least there is some sanity left. don't people see that if you deny them the things citizens have they will eventually go home where they belong?
by Joe_NY_15 July 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
by skyk-2009 July 8, 2009 11:46 AM PDT

Where did you acquire your hatred for anyone living in the South ?? were you raped by a confederate soldier in the Civil War? I think so.....nothing else can explain your blatant hatred of anything southern
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by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
good one Joe.
by beaumuff July 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
Joe, skyk won't be back for awhile he had to go lay down and watch the Oprah show. Obama might be on there and he would not want to miss it.
by Joe_NY_15 July 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
He's hoping that Tom Cruise will come on Oprah again and jump around the couch
by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
from today's washington examiner

"Gallup sees more Americans moving right
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
07/06/09 5:58 PM EDT

Gallup is out today with a new survey showing more Americans are moving to the Right politically than to the Left, including people in all three major groups, Republicans, Independents and Democrats.

"Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed. While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven't changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left, " the polling organization said in a special report released earlier today.

The results follow hard on the heels of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's announcement of her intent to resign her office at the end of this month, and will almost certainly add new fuel to the spirited debate raging among conservatives and liberals in both political parties about the wisdom and timing of her decision.

The latest Gallup results also come soon after the organization reported that 40 percent of Americans now identify themselves as conservatives, the highest level since 2004.

In a masterful piece of understatement, the unnamed author of the Gallup announcement of its specia report results offered this observation:



The latest data also strongly suggest not only that the election results of 2006 and 2008 should be read as a stunning rejection of current Republican office-holders and spokesmen, but also that Democrats are wrong to read into those results a mandate for liberal change.
"However, the results are conspicuously incongruous with the results of the 2008 elections, in which the Democratic Party won the White House for the first time in eight years, and increased its majority control in the U.S. House and Senate. Rather than suggesting an upturn in conservatism, the elections, the tattered image of the GOP, depressed identification with the Republican Party, and President Obama's broad popularity have many in and outside of the Republican Party wondering whether the country has outgrown the GOP's largely conservative platform."
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by beaumuff July 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT
Ron Paul would be fine. Ross Perot would have been a great president and we would not of had to deal with the Clintstones, Nafta, and jumping in the sack with Asia. He is a self made man that never took any handouts.
by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 2:57 PM EDT
so if people are not shifting left how do you plan on holding onto power. If the last administration was not one of the worst in history there probably would not even be a democrat in the white house.
When 4 years have gone by and the anger at bush has faded obama and his team will have to run on what they accomplished. If the country is still in a depression and spending is out of control there is no way he can win again.
sure the poor might still vote for him if they are recieving more entitlements but everyone only has one vote, so if moderate dems in the middle class get off the obama train he cannot win, and these are the people who will vote according to their bank accounts, tax burdens and what they are getting in return.
by anngw July 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
Has anyone run the numbers - remove mortgage deduction and replace with a health insurance deduction? If you do not have health insurance, you will pay a public option through higher income taxes.
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by anngw July 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
Has anyone run the numbers - remove mortgage deduction and replace with a health insurance deduction? If you do not have health insurance, you will pay a public option through higher income taxes.
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by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 2:12 PM EDT
here is how stupid some of you are. you don't even know what your heading into. If Obama passes his health care bill they weill then get rid of medicare medicade and all kinds of other support programs for the elderly and low income. The position will be we don't need these things anymore we have universal healthcare.
Then in 2012 when 70% of the country, including moderate Dems, who made up a large part of the Obama base will vote for lower taxes and less government, it happens over and over, politics are cyclical. Then you will have a more conservative indeoendent or repub come in and totally dismantle universal health care, and believe me as soon as you have anyone other then a dem in the White house it will be dismantled. You will have doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and pharmacutical companies spending billions to make sure of this, and yes they do have more spending power then the american people like it or not.
Then once universal health care is overturned you won't have any of the other programs like medicare and medicade WIC CHIP ect. The the ultra cons have what they have wanted all along, and you idiots played right into their hands.
Then what are you going to do, take to the streets? They use it as an excuse to thin the herd, you won't have a chance.
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by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT
I'm actually going to be supporting Dr. Paul if he runs again. i think he will get alot more support this time. also talk to me after the 2010 congressional elections.
I am not saying I want repubs in, I'm just saying all of you left wingers are going to force moderates to look to the other side.
Also I am not supporting thinning the herd, I am saying this is where we are going. People are now arrested for protesting and speaking thier minds, it is only a matter of time before they start cracking skulls, I'm not supporting it but it is the direction we are going in, state control. It will probably get more brutal if a repub regains power but that being said Wilson had over 150K political prisoners during his trem, so it is not just repubs who can be tyrants.
by connunism July 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT
The Democrats are correct per usual. No need to compromise the health care bill just to get a few Republicon white trash on board. A huge majority of Americans want health care to be overhauled. Let the Republicon Neocon Nazis expose themselves for who they all are: self-centered white trash so that Americans can vote these inbreeds out of office forever.
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by mattcat25 July 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
"The GOP does not care about the common welfare as outlined in the preamble to the Constitution. They ONLY care about free TO MANIPULATE,CONTROL,and EXPLOIT enterprise."

This is the reason the United States has a HealthCare Crises, Private Health Insurance and, market manipulation has run it's course of the Private Sector Mistreatment.
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by hawksprings July 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT
Hmmmm... 'to manipulate, control, and exploit enterprise...'

That sounds EXACTLY like what Obama and the Democrats are doing to our country.
by beaumuff July 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
Are you from the "im entitled to everything generation"? Or are you just on the receiving end of everything? You know the ones that put Obama in office. Keep on loading the wagon, us grunts will pull it somehow.
by skyk-2009 July 8, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
Hey hawksprings, got a question for you. Can you give me the Name of ONE, JUST ONE, Southern Conservative, either party, that has done anything positive for the nation? When you look at history some of the most disgusting creatures to ever slime across our planet have come from that group but I honestly can't find ONE in the history books who has done ANYTHING positive for the Country. I mean kids all across the Northeast say they want to grow up to be a John Kennedy or so many others.
by hawksprings July 8, 2009 1:47 PM EDT
The Dembots don't need any GOP to pass their Socialised Medicine.
The Dembots also aren't bi-partisan.
To a Dembot, 'bi-partisan' means that you agree with them.
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by hawksprings July 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
Wouldn't the neo-fascist brain dead flunkie be the person who obediently stands by and lets The Messiah take over multiple private companies (which is the definition of fascism)
And sink us into debt that exceeds that of ALL the previous presidents combined?

So the question is; Who are the REAL neo-facist brain dead flunkies?
(Look in your mirror.)
by skyk-2009 July 8, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
I know Southern Conservatives don't give a darned about our nation, you've proven that over and over again, but I do wish you would stop with the lying. The Democratic Party, the ONLY party we have right now, has tried over and over to get the support of the few Confederate Party Members there are. It's hard to get support for something when the people you are attempting to negotiate with won't! 72% of American's say they want a Public Option. The President says HE wants a Public Option so just exactly WHO do the members of the Confederate Party represent anyway... if NOT Corporations?
by jon2012-2009 July 8, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
hawksprings, are we going to argue the merits of health care reform or just get into old-fashioned sliming? Can't you offer any kind of thoughts or viewpoints that we can consider in this discussion? For example, since you imply that socialized medicine is horrible, where is it practiced and why is that the kind of medicine we are headed under the proposals for reform that we're hearing?
by dennisall77 July 8, 2009 1:47 PM EDT
G@D D@MNED REFLUBLICAN @SSH@LES.. .THEY WILL BE THE RUINATION OF THIS COUNTRY... and THEY started the decline and THEY will finish us off... all because of their FRE@KIN GREED!!!
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by steeepe July 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
The GOP will ALWAYS favor private plans, not because of individual freedom but because they benefit big companies. Forget the GOP and move ahead with a plan that provides what most Americans need and want. The GOP wants to destroy social security, Medicare, and all other federal programs on principle, not because they're bad programs. The GOP does not care about the common welfare as outlined in the preamble to the Constitution. They ONLY care about free enterprise.
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by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
They can't get rid of social security, if you payed in you basically own your account, they have to pay and if they try not to ther eare plenty of law firms that specialize in social security cases.
What kind of private plan would give Americans what they need and want? Do you know they are now saying they may scrap the public coverage plan, or option, and just tax those with health benifits. How will that help anyone? That is the problem, universal health care sounds nice but how will you pay for it?
by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
it is not even just on bipartisian lines that it is falling apart. an article from a week or so ago hit the nail on the head. It is falling apart along economic lines. Those of us in the middle and upper classes are starting to see that a universal health plan will not benifit everyone equally and will not save everyone money. What it will do is take money from responsible hard workers from the middle and upper classes to take care of the poor. I think the attitude is becoming one of if the poor cannot take care of themselves, and if the government cannot take care of the poor without taxing the "haves" then maybe the poor shouldn't be taken care of.
THey are even speaking about getting rid of the "public option" and instead just tax everyone with a healthcare plan.
This is like the climate change garbage. It does not fix anything, it is just an excuse to exert more control and tax us more.
I am getting more sorry each day that I voted for this guy, I still don't think he is as damaging to the country as the last President, but he has banged the country up quite a bit in only six months.
He needs to get Pelosi canned and stop listening to the ultra left. If he does not go moderate he will definatley not win again in 2012.
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by rtwyatt3 July 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
cut the crap anti-global2.

if you voted for Obama then you certainly didn't listen. he fully supported a public option. he also fully supported cap and trade.

also, who do you think is getting hurt right now because of the health care crisis. it's the middle class. those with insurance as getting hit too because we are paying for the ones that don't have it in higher premiums and co-pays.

being for a public option is not just an ultra left issue. cbs has there own poll that showed 76% of the people wanted a public option. those so called moderates or blue dogs are the ones trying to kill this thing.
by dennisall77 July 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
and what in the HE$$ is wrong with helping the poor? GOP @sses insist on conflating "poor" with "lazy" and "minority" so they will not have to spend their "hard earned dollars" to help them.... jeeeeeeeeez! Ever think that the vast majority of poor are disabled, defective, undereducated, ignorant, and of a low IQ? Even given a well paying job, they cannot handle it, skills-wise? What do you expect them to do? Commit suicide so we won't have to care for them? Get out in the REAL world and work with some charities so you can see who are the actual poor. Pay them now or pay them later, they require assistance to avoid being the homeless. Do you REALLY want the cities littered w homeless as in so many 3rd world countries. We are supposed to be civilized... that means we help the less fortunate! Ignoring the poor mean more crime so they can eat. We are SUCH a greedy country... jeeeez...
by anti-global2 July 8, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
rtwyatt3,

I know what he was for, I didn't agree with all of it but it was certainly better then another clinton or mccain.
I am not against overhauling the health system but only if it benifits everyone, rich, poor, middle class ect. I am getting tired of the position many have that the poor have a right to all of the things middle class and upper class americans have, and i'm not just talking about healthcare. just because you are poor does not mean you are a victim. therefore if I didn't do naything wrong I should not be asked to make huge sacrifices to support someone else. The plan I am seeing now may not even have a public option, they may just tax everyone who has health coverage, how will that help anyone?
As for cap and trade I was always against that. There is no global warming and they just want to use the taxes to pay for this healthcare options and also to give money from american to people in developing countries. I only care about americans.
by deason4 July 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
I have no problem with health care for everyone but tell us how we pay for it. Will the congress and senate pass a national consumption based tax that everyone pays and do away with the income tax? I will support it then. If everyone pays and we do away with what we have for a tax system now I support it. This is the only way all debt of this country gets paid.
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by actornaught July 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT
Ask your employer what his contribution for your insurance is, add that to what you pay yourself, then figure how much of that goes to the middle man/insurance company. Take off their profit, and that's probably what we'll all be paying, including those that are gambling that they won't get sick.
by actornaught July 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
And while you're at it, toss in the cost of bankruptcies to society, since upwards of 40% of bankruptcies are from people that got sick and had insurance.
by jon2012-2009 July 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
The real question, deason4, is how we (our economy) can continue to pay the costs of health care that are rising at three times inflation and taking an ever larger share of the GDP? It's projected to be 20% in 2017. How high do you think that percentage can go without causing economic collapse? I mean, what kind of dire living conditions will it be to, at some point, spend most of your paycheck for health care? Additinally, these costs not only lead to more and more people going uninsured, which means everybody is at risk, but they hurt the competitiveness of our major industries in the global economy because they increase the costs of labor. You must know by now that some 30 wealthy countries in the OECD spend less than half what we do on health care while providing universal coverage. To add insult, they achieve health outcomes that are better than ours on a variety of measures: longevity, infant mortality, cancer survival rates.

If we can cut health care spending in half and keep it just on pace with inflation, the entire economy will benefit. But of course, we also want to bring our health care system in line with other industrialized countries when it comes to delivering quality health care. The case for reform has been made long ago. We shouldn't have to wait longer.
by beaumuff July 8, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
Why don't all you Obamabots go to the artical about the 500 thousand jobs lost again in June. Stimulis is a failure. They need your help. Or go over to the the Obama family vacation AGAIN or another Whitehouse million dollar party.Party on Obama! Not many Obamabots on that one also. They could use your help.
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by mattcat25 July 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
Republicans want America to fail, forget about'm!
by erasmus111 July 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT
by gravyboat4000 July 8, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
I agree, they tried and the Republicans clearly just want to obstruct everything, just as erasmus pointed out above.

Mornin e.


Good morning, gravy. : )
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