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April 15, 2009 9:37 PM

Tax-Free Internet Shopping May Be Almost Over

If a little-known but influential alliance of state politicians, large retailers, and tax collectors has its way, the days of tax-free Internet shopping may be nearly over.

A bill expected to be introduced in Congress as early as Monday would rewrite the ground rules for mail order and Internet sales by eliminating what its supporters view as a "loophole" that, in many cases, allows Americans to shop over the Internet without paying sales taxes.

Currently, Americans who shop over the Internet from out-of-state vendors aren't always required to pay sales taxes at the time of purchase. Californians buying books from Amazon.com or cameras from Manhattan's B&H Photo, for example, won't pay sales taxes at checkout time that they would if shopping at a local mall.

"We will have the bill ready for introduction by next Monday," said Neal Osten of the National Conference of State Legislatures. "We finalized the language and now we're working out the remaining issues and adding some new provisions at the request of various stakeholders."


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This is hardly a new debate. Pro-tax officials and state governments have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least seven years. They argue that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police, and say that, as a matter of fairness, online retailers should be forced to collect the same taxes that brick and mortar retailers do.

While those arguments have been unsuccessful so far, the National Conference of State Legislatures and its allies believe the recession has sliced into sales tax revenue so much that Congress will have to act. A report this week from the Rockefeller Institute says that sales taxes have declined by 6.1 percent, the largest decline in half a century.

"One of the big things the states have learned in the recession is they have declining revenues," said Scott Peterson, executive director of the Streamlined Sales Tax Project, which counts state politicians and tax collectors on its governing board. "We're very optimistic about Congress this year," he added. "We think we are within a day or two of finalizing the legislation."

The final legislation is expected to be introduced by Sen. Mike Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, and Rep. Bill Delahunt, a Massachusetts Democrat, who have championed similar proposals in the past. Delahunt's office on Wednesday confirmed he was interested; Enzi's did not respond.

On the other side are the Direct Marketing Association, the Electronic Retailing Association, and companies including eBay, L.L. Bean, and Overstock.com. One of their biggest objections to the idea of collecting sales taxes on out-of-state shipments is the dizzying complexity of state laws.

Take candy, which would seem to be a straightforward item to tax. It isn't. During a 2003 discussion of tax policy, a representative of Indiana, James Turner, noted (PDF) that a proposed definition of candy would have taxed the Milky Way Midnight candy bar but not the original Milky Way bar.

But further investigation showed that Turner's counter-proposal would have treated "certain flavors of Pop Tarts" and Cookies and Twix Crunchy Cookie Bars as candy--but not Cookies and Snickers Crunchy Cookie Bars. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies would be candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites would be classified as food.

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Bizarre distinctions like this, coupled with the existence of more than 7,000 different tax agencies, are why the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that out-of-state retailers generally couldn't be obligated to collect sales taxes unless Congress changes the law. The justices noted in a 1992 case called Quill v. North Dakota: "Congress is now free to decide whether, when, and to what extent the States may burden interstate mail order concerns with a duty to collect use taxes."

One exception to that is a legal concept called "nexus," which means a company can be forced to collect sales taxes if it has a sufficient business presence. (Another exception are cigarette sales, which are covered by the Jenkins Act.)

As a response to complexity concerns, the pro-tax forces have offered a proposal that they hope Congress can be persuaded to adopt. The concept is called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement, invented in 2002 by state tax officials hoping to straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws.

Since 2003, over 20 states have signed on, either wholly or partially, to the agreement, meaning they agree to simplify their tax codes and make them uniform. If enough states participate, they believe, it will be easier to convince Congress to make sales collection mandatory for out-of-state retailers.

"You'll see governors from states who are active participants pushing the Hill to move the issue forward — Kansas has been a long-standing leader. North Dakota, Iowa, Oklahoma, those are some with members on the governing board," said David Quam, director of the office of federal regulations at the National Governors Association. "The states have done the heavy lifting of coming up with a voluntary system that makes sense. Now it's Congress' turn to grant states the authority to collect this."

Representatives of the Streamlined Sales Tax Project are gathering in Washington, D.C. next month for a three-day governing board meeting, including a "lobbying day" that's scheduled for May 13.

Under existing law, the caveat is that online purchases from sites like Amazon and eBay only seem to arrive tax-free. Legally, however, purchasers are required to pay their own state's sales tax rate--the concept is called a "use tax"--and then voluntarily report the amount owed at tax time.

California residents, for instance, are now burdened with a sales and use tax of at least 8.25 percent. State law is strict; if Californians travel to a state with a 5 percent tax and shop there, the law requires them to cough up the 3.25 percent difference when they return. Online purchases are taxed as well.

But compliance is spotty at best. California's Board of Equalization estimates the state lost $1.34 billion in 2003 because residents aren't paying use taxes — and attributes $208 million of that to online purchases.

"There's no member of NRF that does not support" the forthcoming legislation, said Maureen Riehl, vice president of government relations at the National Retail Federation. "The sooner we can get it done the better, as far as retailers are concerned."

Online retailers tend to disagree. If the Streamlined Sales Tax Project (SSTP) were actually simple and easy for a shipper to work with, they might be more willing to compromise, but that may not be the case.

"The states are desperate for new revenue and I think they realize they're straying far from the simplification they originally promised," said Steve DelBianco, executive director of NetChoice, which counts as members AOL, eBay, NewsCorp, Oracle, Verisign, and Yahoo. "That creates an urgency on their part, to get the federal mandate before it becomes clear they have no intention to simplify."

"They have no real intention of simplifying or compensating sellers for the burdens of collecting," DelBianco said. "It's a shell game."

Among his complaints: That states are unwilling to compensate sellers for the burden of sales tax collection; that small businesses with minimal sales should be exempt; that only one state (as opposed to all states) should be able to audit a business; that participating states are not paying attention to the idea of simplification and are actually making definitions more complex.

"There has to be some oversight," DelBianco said. "These guys have demonstrated — the streamlined states have demonstrated — an inability to stick to the streamlined promise. Only the U.S. Congress is going to be able to protect sellers from unreasonable burdens."

CNET's Stephanie Condon contributed to this report.
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by MSBookkeeper April 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT
Sales tax for every internet sales will be a BIG HEADACHE for me. Not only if will reduce our overall sales and it will be a headache paying to all 50 states each month. JUST SAY NO SALES TAX!!!! We are already tax from our paycheck and our company is matching the tax we are paying. THis is tTRIPPLE TAX!!!
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by mswolfestock April 16, 2009 11:17 AM EDT
The problem with sales taxes is they are regressive in nature, they are a bigger burden on those with smaller incomes.

That being said, I don't think there should be any sales tax on food and clothing.
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by swin5 April 16, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
When I buy an item from a retailer in California, that is interstate commerce. A state has no authority to in any way restrict or regulate interstate commerce. Read the Constitution. Or does that document mean anything anymore? Ron Paul 2012
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by sjc_1 April 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
All online shopping that crosses state lines should be taxed by the federal government at a 5% sales tax rate.
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by endurorob April 16, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
Thats all they speak of. What can we tax next? How about what spending can we cut next?
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by jtdev1 April 16, 2009 10:13 AM EDT
Can they dream up another tax?

When is enough - enough?

How come I have to deal with the rising prices, but NO rising paycheck?

Cut the spending first!
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by blindhowlin April 16, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
They have been trying to pass this bill for seven years but all of a sudden it's the President's fault? More fake outrage from the right.
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by FlipFlopTribe April 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT
According to the article, people have been trying for seven years to have a tax on internet sales passed.
Well, the way I see it is that these folks have had those seven years to perfect the wording and regulations that WILL most likely get the damned tax passed this year. And why will it pass??... because the idiots WE elect to represent US in congress will pass and impose damn near any tax they can. As is they actually read what they are passing as laws anyway. (As if they actually care about US at any time except during election years.)
"Tea Party?" It seems like we need good old fashioned recall elections and oust the "tax and spend" reps out of office and elect decent men and women who will represent US and who will actually represent US and what should be done for the United States of America, US, and not themselves, their special interests groups, or the rest of the world.
We, THE PEOPLE are having to tighten our belts to weather this recession so why should WE have to pony up more in taxes? Enough is enough. Congress needs to learn to live with what they are already collecting. They are taxing US to death, and beyond, as it is.
It surely seems like our Great Nation is about to go to hell in a hand basket, so to speak.
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by bessc2007 April 16, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
Just another way slick Obama is pulling off his African-American "hustle" on the American public he told so many lies to get elected. He wanted elected so badly he was willing to tell any lie he had to and he DID!! All you idol worshippers sure got taken, didn't you? How is it starting to feel now? This is just the beginning. Just wait, there is more surprises coming. How much will it take for you all to realize and admit the big mistake you made believing the sham you were being fed?
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by wogerwabbit April 16, 2009 8:47 AM EDT
This is BS. It benefits only large corporations and will kill small online retailers. This is another plot by the rich to steal our money!
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by trillion1 April 16, 2009 8:19 AM EDT
More taxes is the answer to every goverment problem. Gawd forbid they cut down on wasteful spending.
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by mav547166 April 16, 2009 7:33 AM EDT
They do its called sewage services.
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by MalloryDavis April 16, 2009 7:12 AM EDT
GAWHAHAHAHAD! I swear to GAWD they'd tax our sh@t if they could! I don't care if it's repubs or dems they need to go! And now!
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by stychokiller April 16, 2009 4:29 AM EDT
So if I buy something from Europe (which has a VAT), I'm supposed to pay tax again to the State in which I live?? There's something quite wrong with this picture.
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by toldyouso29 April 16, 2009 4:25 AM EDT
Your the **** TURD. What tax cuts for millionaires??? If you havent heard Barry O. Taxes are going up pal. In every which way! Cigs, Internet purchases. Barry O. said he wouldnt raise income taxes but.... He is raising taxes in other areas. When you roll out new programs when you are currently operating in a deficit budget you have to drum up money in new areas. Its not rocket science get your head out of your azz.
Posted by janefondu at 12:23 AM : Apr 16, 2009


Revamping of taxes and hiding them in purchases of cigsrettes, hotel rooms, special restaurant taxes, special utility user fees, etc has always gone up--and it did not start eith Obama. We actually all pay MORE taxes with the Bush tax cuts (and before) To see the true price you pay, add up Fed, State, FICA, the taxes on any food, purchases, utilities and user fees and taxes, the county and city taxes tacked on to restaurant and hotel expenditures, etc. when it is done, you will find that even under Bush, thr real tax rate of 28% was more like 48% or higher.

You can blame Obama for taxes--but it requires you to forget the source of the bailout originally, or the practice under Reagan, to stiff the states and leave it up to creative shell games to tax us and make us think we were not being taxed. smart people saw this scam long ago--and we KNOW, neither Obama or Bush invented it--but both sure took advantage of it.

the problem with the states is that they ran out of magic tricks to hide the looting and with less people working--they have to steal more, from less workers and pretend like it is not happening.

As for smokes--not a necessary expenses--the payment of that tax, is a choice based on personal enjoyment, not need, health, expediency, or even decency.
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by toldyouso29 April 16, 2009 4:17 AM EDT
heheheheh. Imagine being a seller on ebay and getting audited at tax time by 10 or 20 states--each looking for and demanding a cough up for different stuff...now imagine them making the sellers PROVE where each item ultimately ended up and making them pay taxes on it--that means an audit of wholesale, sales tax, mail records, verification records, insurance records...now imagine one seller who buys from other sellers failing an audit due to a bogus address in a lower sales taxed state---IMAGINE THE IRS FRENZY OF EACH STATE as they track down each seller who did business with the one with a questionable address.

The audits, the penalties..etc--look for ebay to shut down due to no sellers and look for buyers to dry up...then watch the retailers recoil in shock as consumers not only stop buying on line, but sellers stop buying from retailers to RESELL on line and they still go belly up tsking the short sighted state tax programs with them.

We really can just stop buying altogether, you know.
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by toldyouso29 April 16, 2009 4:04 AM EDT
California residents, for instance, are now burdened with a sales and use tax of at least 8.25 percent. State law is strict; if Californians travel to a state with a 5 percent tax and shop there, the law requires them to cough up the 3.25 percent difference when they return. Online purchases are taxed as well.
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Greedy California. It's not enough they tax purchases within their own state, but they have to tax purchases of people in other states. That is insanity.
Posted by vielmann at 10:33 PM : Apr 15, 2009


So... how does CA KNOW what their citizens buy elsewhere if they pay with cash? are they doing immigration custom checks on everyone now? what is to stop anyone from going out of state with empty suitcases, filling them fulll of new clothes--removing all the tags, wrinkling it all up snd/or wearing all items and claiming they got them in CA. At rummage sales or swap meets (so there are no receipts) and we wonder why CA is sliding into the bankruptcy toilet.
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by toldyouso29 April 16, 2009 4:01 AM EDT
LOL. go ahead and watch that part of the economy go belly up too. a lot of us do our spending over the internet--try to tax us at the going rate of another state or even our own (but the seller is elsewhere) and you will have a logistics nightmare:

1. Buyers will give addresses from other states with lower tax rates (like sending it to their brother's house in Iowa)

2. Vendors would have to find a way to remit monies to each state--and would mess up because the buyers will give out bogus addresses.
Flat taxes will make many buyers forgo internet buying completely thereby destroying yet another part of the economy..then lawmakers will look up from the wreckage and just like outsourcing and short sales, will drool: "DUUUUUUUH...wha' happened?"
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by janefondu April 16, 2009 3:23 AM EDT
Yeah, while the 'tards are having "tea bag" protesting for tax cuts for millionaire they get THEIR OWN TAXES RAISED.

Conservatives are the dumbest monkeys.
Posted by jumkey

Your the **** TURD. What tax cuts for millionaires??? If you havent heard Barry O. Taxes are going up pal. In every which way! Cigs, Internet purchases. Barry O. said he wouldnt raise income taxes but.... He is raising taxes in other areas. When you roll out new programs when you are currently operating in a deficit budget you have to drum up money in new areas. Its not rocket science get your head out of your azz.
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by pete_in_az April 16, 2009 2:25 AM EDT
I think the comments about killing the little guy are spot on here.

But I want this answered: Why the F is it that I get taxed by the big box stores for things they don't carry locally? I swear that they are pocketing that extra money. And I can't tell you how many online stores that do tax nail me at city of tucson 8.1% when I actually live in the county and pay a lower %.

Its bs, its so far from enforceable its scarey. There is a new way to do business and Mall-Wart and the likes are scared ********.
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