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March 24, 2009 3:58 AM

Taxpayers Could Lose Money in Treasury Buying Plan

(AP Photo/Susan Walsh)


Saying the stock market loved the Treasury Department's new $1 trillion toxic asset-buying plan risks understatement. Swooning in adoration is a better description of a day that ended with Bank of America's share price leaping by 26 percent.

But there's less reason for taxpayers to feel the love.

The Obama administration's "Public-Private Investment Program" is complicated, and not all the details of implementation have been made clear. It's probably fair to say, though, that its foundation rests on two premises: first, that Americans will not continue to walk away from their mortgages and home loans held by banks will retain value, and second, that investors are being unreasonably pessimistic in the value they place on those loans today.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's answer is to create a complicated system that will risk taxpayer funds on what used to be called "troubled assets" or "toxic assets" (and are now being called "legacy assets"). A Treasury fact sheet says the goal is "to cleanse bank balance sheets of troubled legacy loans and reduce the overhang of uncertainty associated with these assets."

It effectively bails out banks that made terrible bets -- like assuming that housing prices would always rise and never fall -- and have been left with the financial equivalent of a steaming pile of dung that nobody really wants to touch.

That effect is what sparked a kind of stop-the-bailout outcry in the last few days, even from liberal and progressive commentators who have been steadfast supporters of the Obama administration on economic issues.

Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C. wrote that the program ignores the existence of the housing bubble. "A further 20 percent decline (in home prices) will hugely increase the percentage of mortgages that are underwater, reducing the value of mortgage backed securities from their current level," he wrote. "There is no obvious reason that house prices should then again rise above their trend level."

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said that "Treasury is still clinging to the idea that this is just a panic attack, and that all it needs to do is calm the markets by buying up a bunch of troubled assets" -- arguing, basically, that bad banks should be nationalized instead.

Duncan Black, who uses the pen name Atrios, said it would "funnel more government money to the banksters" and allow "too big to fail businesses to stay in business for a bit longer."

(Banks have been unwilling to sell bad loans for fear that reporting large losses could endanger their solvency and expose them to FDIC action. So even if they're linked to heavily-foreclosed-on subprime mortgages and worth only 30 cents on the dollar, banks have nevertheless been hesitant to sell their toxic assets.)

Not only could the latest bailout cost taxpayers money, but it could enrich investors at the same time.

Some calculations suggest that banks and other investors could reap handsome profits at taxpayer's expense. In one scenario, an investor could buy loans for $8,400, sell them for a profit, and stick the FDIC with a $3,600 loss. Others have raised alarms about the mechanisms through which banks could unload toxic waste onto taxpayers.

While the prospect of gaming the system (and the Treasury) could be attractive, investors do have to worry about the political risk. If they make a killing, might they have to worry about 90 percent tax rates? How about street protests and subpoenas? The prospect of Rep. Barney Frank demanding to know details -- under oath -- at a congressional hearing may turn out to be taxpayers' best, and only, insurance policy.


Declan McCullagh is the chief political correspondent for CNET and writes a weekly column titled Other People's Money (RSS). His e-mail address is declan.mccullagh@cnet.com
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by sjc_1 March 25, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
"REFUNDED was the taxpapyers own money simply returned to them,,"

That is absurd, no one believes that lie! That money was BORROWED, pure and simple.

Would you rather borrow and own a corporation or borrow and have consumer purchases fund Asian expansion? I know which one most rational people would chose.
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by perk235 March 25, 2009 4:28 AM EDT
About that same amount was put into AIG to own 80% of the company and have warrants on the other 20%. Posted by sjc_1 at 9:50 AM : Mar 24, 2009
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Unfortunately owning AIG means owning their Credit Default Swaps and other derivitives that will blow up in the face of the tax payers.

It's more than just taking on a company--it's taking on its gambling debt.
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by jmca2009 March 25, 2009 2:56 AM EDT
Look at it this way, last year the government wasted $140 billion on $600 checks sent to taxpayers. About that same amount was put into AIG to own 80% of the company and have warrants on the other 20%. At least the taxpayer got something for this money. Most of what we got for the $600 checks are more big screen TVs made in Asia.
Posted by sjc_1 at 9:50 AM : Mar 24, 2009

Your logic is a little off; first the $600 that was REFUNDED was the taxpapyers own money simply returned to them, if they choose to buy a TV with their OWN money, so be it.
In the AIG bailout the taxpayer is having their money taken thru taxes and used to pay for a failing business and fund million $ bonuses for rich executives.
Big Difference!
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by budmag06 March 25, 2009 2:22 AM EDT
EVERYONE will lose more under Obama!
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by noloyalisti March 24, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
Welcome to fascist America where big corporations pretty much run everything. Where we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
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by whitemale08 March 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT
While I still say you were a better choice then another fascist Wall Street Republican like John McCain,

the Gheitner plan to allow stupid hedge funds like Black Rock to loot the taxpayer is ridiculous and un-forgiveable.

You can't have a plan that essentially let's Black Rock vultures bid low for a worthless credit-default swap then the bank insist on a over-price only for Black Rock to accept the bid because the bank is guaranteed by the tax payer.

Because Black Rock later will purposely short that same worthless credit-default swap and demand the co-signer (i.e. taxpayer) to cough up the money to cover the losses from the bank who now have to 'monetize' that worthless security.

THE TAXPAYER IS NOT A CO-SIGNER FOR CRAP GARBAGE!!!

LET THESE BRITISH RUN OFFSHORE HEDGE FUNDS EAT THEIR LOSSES!!!!
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by grabandgo March 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
These cockroaches in Washington are sticking it to the taxpayers to protect the greedy scum that put obama in office.
We the people of the United States have had it!
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by far_point200 March 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
"Taxpayers Could Lose Money in Treasury Buying Plan"

Wow Delan, do ya think this could possibly happen!

OMG!
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by rickwar98 March 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
"Taxpayers Could Lose Money in Treasury Buying Plan"

Taxpayers in the end pay for virtually all of govenments spending habits.
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by sjc_1 March 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT
Look at it this way, last year the government wasted $140 billion on $600 checks sent to taxpayers. About that same amount was put into AIG to own 80% of the company and have warrants on the other 20%. At least the taxpayer got something for this money. Most of what we got for the $600 checks are more big screen TVs made in Asia.
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by mzilikazi-2009 March 24, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
mcliar

In response to your statement "Would you fell better if the government took ownership of these assets and went into the debt collection business"?

I guess you must have missed the stealth news yesterday regarding the Treasury's intentions to take Bear Stearns and AIG assets off the Federal Reserve's hands ...
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by credibility2 March 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT
We're all going to get you-know-what on this one. Sure the Treasury will keep printing money, worthless paper. Eventually we'll turn into one giant economic cesspool, just like Germany did before WWII, where it literally took wheelbarrows full of worthless paper currency just to buy a loaf of bread that was made of little flour and lots of sawdust. No one in their right mind can seriously blame the Repubs and the last eight years of Bush on this, especially considering that the Dems have largely controlled both the House and Senate at various times for over four decades since 1954. They are the ones that created this house of cards with all of their social programs and pandering giveaways, especially the surge of programs implemented in the sixties. We're finally seeing the fruits of their so-called labor with their Utopian social experiment, which is now crashing and collapsing. Their experiment included citizens and illegals. It started from the bottom and worked its way to the top, with some in the middle and the top doing the same thing as those on the bottom - scamming, defrauding and taking without accountability, responsibility, morality or ethics. We're getting exactly what we deserve, which is why this time government should not intervene and instead allow everything to fail, regardless of the consequences.
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by nolies74621 March 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
I do not get a good feeling when the government asks me to buy bad debt and then not give me an out when the investment goes bad. It seems the White Hose is attempting to create a mini wall street asking me to invest and not giving me the benefit of asking to pull my money out when the investment goes south. I will just simply lose the money that I invested. Wow talk about not having the benifit of the reach around. It seems like the White House is asking us to be screwed and then like it and ask for more.
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by jtdev1 March 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
Washington still does not get it We the People are Broke and that's why the economy is in the toilet.
Posted by quapawsix


Well Put...

When are they ever going to realize that we can't support their lifestyles anymore. wheither it be bonuses or bailouts, we just can't afford it anymore.

Just think how much cheaper things would be if we didn't have to pay for the bonuses for failure along with those super sized pay packages.
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by isisdawn March 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
The plan put forth by Geitner to have "private investors" bid on the toxic assets the banks hold is a scam. There is NOTHING to prevent a bank, the very bank holding the toxic asset from bidding on it through a third party.
The way it is laid out (simplified for the sake of clarity) is the "private investor" pays 10% the Treasury pays 10% and the Federal Reserve pays 80% of the "private investor's" winning bid. Imagine BOA has a toxic asset they paid $100 for but is now worth $30, using a third party BOA bids $100 for the asset. BOA only has to put up $10, the Treasury $10, and the Fed $80 the entire $100 goes to BOA and the toxic asset is removed, the asset blows up and all BOA is out is $10.
It's a scam. There are no private investors, only the banks using third parties.
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by lawsonone March 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
I don't understand how the taxpayer can own 80% of AIG,yet now the government(taxpayers) will buy toxic assets from them. Does that mean you only have to pay them 20% of the purchase price because you already own 80%. Or are you buying back the assets a second time with a gurantee that could result in a third re-prchase? Does the government think taxpayers are stupid.
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by inketolstoy March 24, 2009 8:34 AM EDT
"Some calculations suggest that banks and other investors could reap handsome profits at taxpayer's expense."

What would give anyone that impression?
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by impeachbhb March 24, 2009 8:31 AM EDT
Everything the government does costs tax payers money.
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by mzilikazi-2009 March 24, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
I found Henry Blodget's article at Businessinsider entitled "Geithner's Five Big Misconceptions" to be very interesting.
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by pensacola8-2009 March 24, 2009 8:18 AM EDT
Taxpayers could lose money. The same thing was said for the Resolution Trust Corporation after the Savings and Loan bailout in the 1980's. Under the Clinton administration, it made profit and President Clinton closed it when the mission was complete.

If you listen to Joe Scarborough, who actually wants capitalism to work by having utopian relationships with global economics, global politics, and global news media, you will find that capitalism can cleanse and repair itself here in the USA better than anywhere else because, the USA has a good standard of living and impose recoveries with zeal and fervor.

The toxic assets will appreciate over time and become profitable. The hurry to get them off the books helps our banking system get credit flowing again. That means people can buy cars and GM, Ford, and Chrysler will be able to sell off their inventories and repay their loans to the government.
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