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August 8, 2008 9:48 AM

Starting Gate: No Day At The Beach

Barack Obama heads to Hawaii this morning for a week-long break, the first opportunity he’s had for a little rest and relaxation since in what’s been a Bataan-like march through 2008. But even as he heads off to the surf, he’s finding that dealing with the Clintons is still no day at the beach.

Winding down the day, Obama found himself fending off questions about what Hillary wants – or more precisely, what both Clintons want. The news has been filled in recent days with reports and speculation about the role the former first family will play at the DNC convention at the end of this month.

Tension is clearly in the air, first displayed by Bill Clinton in an interview in which he appeared to find it difficult to find any words of praise for Obama. That was ratcheted up by Hillary Clinton’s comments to supports acknowledging the difficulty of finding reconciliation after a very tough primary battle. Added to that combustible mixture are questions about whether Clinton’s name might be placed in nomination.

Obama insisted yesterday that these tensions are being blown up by the press. “There hasn't been controversy other than what you guys are projecting right now,” he told reporters traveling with him last night. Likewise, Clinton herself sounded a note of unity in an online chat with supporters yesterday, saying, “I am completely committed to helping Senator Obama become the next President of the United States and urging all of you to do the same.”

Last night came word that Bill Clinton had been offered a speaking slot at the convention and, as it stands now, it looks like she will speak on Tuesday night and the former president on Wednesday. That might help momentarily but for Obama, the problems go far beyond the convention.

Even if the Clinton do and say all the right things from now until the election, many of the New York Senator’s staunchest supporters could be harder to bring on board. There is murmuring among some that Obama has not done enough to help Clinton retire her campaign debt. Many still feel that the nomination was somehow stolen from Clinton and others don’t think Obama can win. It may be a tiny slice of the party but it is a vocal one. And how he deals with the Clintons from here on out will always be a tricky and touchy issue for Obama.


Around The Track

  • John McCain’s campaign is returning $50,000 raised by a Florida bundler because some of the funds came from foreign nationals.

  • Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty gets the New York Times treatment today.

  • Columnist Peggy Noonan praises Obama’s strategy but warns against arrogance: “Because they're young and they've never been in power and it takes time to know what you don't know. The presidential-type seal with OBAMA on it, the sometimes over-the-top rhetoric about healing the earth and parting the seas. They pick the biggest, showiest venue for the Berlin speech, the Brandenburg Gate, just like a president, not realizing people would think: Ya gotta earn that one, kid.

  • After the campaign shake-up last month, McCain’s campaign appears to be making headway on the ground game, the Politico reports.
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    by whitemale08 August 8, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
    Get over it and kiss the ring.
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    by gjbrooklyn August 8, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
    I am a Democrat. It seems tto me that Clinton would rather see McCain elected, so that she can in 202. If she and her supporters succeed at this, what makes them think that the rest of us will forget. Why would we vote for her in 2012?
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    by mrtutto August 8, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
    The John McCain camp is making headway,if you call gutter politics headway. I am so sorry that the media will have to write about poor old John this week. Obama can go on Holiday and still get more coverage, because the MSM is obsessed with trying to bring Obama down.
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    by mrtutto August 8, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
    Tell me again.... who does the politico support ?
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    by usais11 August 8, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
    "I admire Senator McCain greatly."

    "I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House."

    "I believe the right approach begins with the proposal put forward by%u2026Senator McCain."

    Would you believe Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, said this respectively?

    Seven prominent Democrats, each one offering compliments for the presumptive Republican nominee.

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    by beader59 August 8, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
    The Clintons are not the issue. Half of the Democrats proved in the primaries that they want her in the White House. What else do you need to know?
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    by marsbabe August 8, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
    To JGBrooklyn; I am a Democrat, with brains. Hill has done practically everything right. If McCain wins, she will be Prez in 4 years which is good for the country since she''s obviously the best person for the job, hands down. O''Bandwagan is too soon in his career and possibly ever considering his associations.
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    by element51 August 8, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
    We haven''t seen much of Hillary Clinton lately. She has been busy sharpening the knife that she plans to put into Obama''s back at the convention. Anyone who believes that she will go quietly into the night is a fool. This woman is not going to just stand by quitely and let Obama get the nomination. She has surprises in store that will make "shock and awe" look like a cartoon. I predict that the democratic convention will be a blood bath of epic porportions.
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    by vastr-wcon August 8, 2008 12:11 PM PDT

    .
    We Clinton supporters will do everything possible to ensure defeat for the Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, elitist, inexperienced, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, and who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received.

    Hillary supporters won''t get mad; we will get even.

    Best of luck, "sweetie".

    /
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    by leftyintexas August 8, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
    Hillary supporters won''''t get mad; we will get even.

    Best of luck, "sweetie".

    Posted by VastR-WCon at 12:11 PM : Aug 08, 2008

    Yeah ''Sweetie'', by voting for Mcbush. Really smart! Our horse didn''t win the race, so we''re going support four more years of pure krap. I suppose it makes sense...if you are an IDIOT! WHAT POOR LOSERS YOU ARE!
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    by truthspeake2 August 8, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
    Both of the Clintons, and their supports can go to straight to H...period!

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    by larysinclair August 8, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
    Obama going to Hawaii? Perhaps to try to concoct a birth certificate since the one online has been proven a forgery? Or to check up on his grannie to make sure she is still chained up in the basement, unable to speak to the media?
    Some vacation!!

    Nobama,...ever!!
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    by johnbush2-2009 August 8, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
    Obama going to Hawaii? Perhaps to try to concoct a birth certificate since the one online has been proven a forgery? Or to check up on his grannie to make sure she is still chained up in the basement, unable to speak to the media?
    Some vacation!!

    Nobama,...ever!!

    Posted by LARYSINCLAIR at 12:34 PM : Aug 08, 2008

    I know Obama''s birth certificate is a fake but is his granny really chained up in the basement???
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    by johnbush2-2009 August 8, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
    As a former Hillary supporter, I find that I can''t bring myself to support that fraud Obama. Who says I have to vote for anyone?

    I am going to abstain from voting this year and wait till 2012.
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    by wellhell3 August 8, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
    The little dipwad Obscamma used the WORST POSSIBLE scenario to scam his way into the nomination and now finds his arse in a crack because he can''t win the election without the support of the very people he TRASHED in his scam!

    The bad judgment this dipwad uses does not bode well for dealings with heads of state that will see through his scams and then turn on him for it.

    I see totaly unrest ahead in the country and the world created by an idiot who thinks scamming is justified in his power plays.
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    by usais11 August 8, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
    The Times report, published on March 16, 2008, revealed:

    A close boyhood friend of Obama, Zulfin Adi, said Barack "was a Muslim. He went to the mosque."

    Obama''s first-grade teacher at a Catholic school, Israella Dharmawan, said: "Barry (Barack''s nickname) was Muslim. He was registered as a Muslim because his father was Muslim."

    In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim. At the school, Muslim students attended weekly religion lessons about Islam.

    Some of these details have been confirmed by Obama himself. In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

    Earlier this year, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs claimed: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

    But the facts suggest that statement is not exactly true.

    Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes wrote on FrontPageMag.com that his research led him to conclude that "Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian stepfather."

    After the Los Angeles Times conducted its own investigation, Gibbs amended his previous statement on behalf of Obama, telling the Los Angeles Times: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim," the key word being "practicing."
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    by suzyku August 8, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
    What a bunch of trash you right wing pubs are spewing here!!!! Where are you getting your "mis"information, it has been "proven over and over and over" that Obama is NOT a Muslim, but you fools aren''t smart enough to apparently read the facts! Anyone who would still vote for mcsame and more of the disastrous bush policies is a total idiot!!!!! That seems to include the hacks blogging here. Is mcsame having another slow day and his staff has nothing better to do than write nasty blogs?
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    by element51 August 8, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
    WellHell3...I truly believe you can relax. There is no way Obama can win now. At first I thought Hillary was done but I have revised my thoughts on that one. She is going to turn the convention on it''s ear and I think that even after all that has happened she stands an outside chance of taking the nomination right out of Obama''s hands. It will be great to watch..better than the Olympics. And the net result will be an easy victory for McCain and she will be well positioned to run and win in 2012. He11, who knows. She might even beat McCain. Since I have pretty much declared myself detached this is really going to be something to watch. Of course this is nothing more than speculation on my part and I could be totally wrong but at least I am now having fun with this. This is show business at it''s best. All you have to do is let go and enjoy.
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    by element51 August 8, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
    WellHell....Not to pizz you off but I am still a liberal, still a democrat and will still vote for Obama, if he gets the nomination. Otherwise I will vote for Hillary.
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    by pepperp1 August 8, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
    People people people ....Obama has not become know as the Black Candidate that is not a surprise his difference is celebrated the problem is that the Party has become known as the Black Party intolerant drowning is grudge, grievance, repression, and racial rancor

    AGAIN it%u2019s the ECONOMY Stupid not your 60%u2019s Grievance.......my advice diversify the DNC now to reflect the Base or become irrelevant again

    The reality, putting the immorality of exploiting racial animus aside and the consequence of hatemongering on our communities, the math is a loser the AA community even in the new non white majority of this Country, is still the minority and the other 85 percent of the country isn%u2019t looking to participate in another grudge match the Values Crowd did un in with their animus spewed at the opposition


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    by rktsci3127 August 8, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
    Ah ha ha, just saw on news flash that Bill Clinton will introduce the VP! I wonder if he''s told Obama who it is!! These people are funny.
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    by whitemale08 August 8, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
    My grammer school teacher once told the class "Avoid using the word ''I'' in starting off your speeches because you come accross "less authentic" and more self obsessed".

    I never forgot that from my teacher.

    And if you listen to how she speaks, she allways starts off with "I want this" and "I want that".

    This was why people didn''t like her because she is "less then authentic" a fake and phony who doesn''t give a tinker''s da** about the American people.

    Instead she only cares about her own political ambitions. She''s selfish, slimey, corrupt, a liar and pure evil.

    I vomited and puked so much through her campaign speeches that my throat is still raw and soar.
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    by gslinger3 August 8, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
    US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was apparently the recipient of nearly $30,000 in campaign contributions from a pair of Palestinian Arabs in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.
    While recently investigating online campaign contribution logs, Pamela Geller of the blog Atlas Shrugs discovered a curious set of entries from mid-2007 showing a series of contributions from two Arab men who listed their place of residence as "Rafah, GA."
    Skeptical about the existence of a town in Georgia called Rafah, Geller did some digging and discovered that the contributions had in fact come from the Gaza Strip border town of Rafah.
    It is illegal for a US presidential candidate to receive contributions from non-US citizens, or to receive in excess of $2,300 from a single individual.
    Curious for more information, WorldNetDaily correspondent Aaron Klein tracked down the two Gaza Arabs, brothers Monir and Hosam Edwan.
    The Edwan brothers said that they and many other Palestinians love Obama, and are confident he will be the US president to force Israel to surrender land for the birth of a Palestinian Arab state.
    When pressed about their illegal contribution, the brothers altered their story and insisted that they had not made an online donation, but had rather purchased $30,000 worth of t-shirts from the Obama campaign website.
    WorldNetDaily also learned that while Monir and Hosam are themselves believed to be non-religious, their clan is known for supporting Hamas.
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    by vastr-wcon August 8, 2008 2:11 PM PDT

    .
    We Clinton supporters will do everything possible to ensure defeat for the Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, elitist, inexperienced, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, and who hijacked the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received.

    Hillary supporters won''t get mad; we will get even.

    Best of luck, "sweetie".

    /
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    by blkpresident August 8, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
    lil'' woman Hillary better not end up on the Democratic ticket...there''s a kitchen stove in NY that needs cleaning though. Got apron lil'' missy?
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    by ramos937 August 8, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
    The Clintons are hurting themselves. On the debt - They have not even touched Bill''s funds yet. Plus over 1/2 of that debt are loans from Hilliary. The couple can handle the debt readily.

    Hilliary and Bill should give Obama 1000% support and whip their followers into line. It is not impossible for McCain to win and if he does, Hilliary can fun again in 2012. If the Clintons are obstinate and rebellous in 2008, they would find it much harder in 2012.
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    by kennedy7955 August 8, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
    "WellHell3...I truly believe you can relax. There is no way Obama can win now. Posted by Element51"

    You must be smoking something. Obama is going to win by a landslide, the biggest in US history.
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    by credibility2 August 8, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
    Let''s keep the lil'' woman in her place where she belongs. How dare Hillary think that just because she''s more qualified and experienced and has more potential to lead the nation than Obama that she should drop to the floor and lick Obama''s boots, just like everyone else is. Women must never exceed men in any capacity because woman are just supposed to acquiesce and follow and not succeed or lead. And if the DNC didn''t offer former President Clinton a speaking spot that would have reinforced the current great party thinkers that they have utter contempt for the success this man represented to our nation while he was President. These are the same great thinkers that assailed both Clintons and then cried foul when anything negative was uttered about their cherished celebrity of a candidate Obama. It''s not nice to have a double standard now kiddies.
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    by redbds August 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
    Hilary is still in it. She is on FOX News campaigning right now! If there is any way she can get the nomination she will find it. Go Hilary!!!!!!!
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    by rktsci3127 August 8, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
    I don''t particularly like McCain but I wouldn''t vote for this Obama. One thing though, the democrats sure put on the best entertainment!
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    by mbcsmith August 8, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
    Edwards Admits Sexual Affair; Lied as Presidential Candidate
    In ABC News Interview, Edwards Says He Cheated,
    By RHONDA SCHWARTZ and BRIAN ROSS
    August 8, 2008

    John Edwards repeatedly lied during his Presidential campaign about an extramarital affair with a novice filmmaker, the former Senator admitted to ABC News today.

    Democratic presidential candidate former U.S. Senator John Edwards (D-NC) speaks to supporters during a campaign event at the Keene State University in Keene, New Hampshire January 6, 2008
    Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 44-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her.



    What a freakin slime ball lawyer this bum is.

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    by a010407563 August 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
    Comparing Barach Obama''s campaign to the Bataan death March is laughable. Obama is is more anti-military than Bill Clinton that he refused to visit our injured troops unless his campaing aide was present to hold his hand.
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    by element51 August 8, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
    kennedy7955....I think you sort of misread my post. I was actually teasing WellHell3 as she is an Obama hater and really gets worked up when she talks about him. Of course, you didn''t know that so you naturally took my statement seriously. However as to Obama winning by a landslide, while I hope you are right, I fear for the worst. I believe that Hillary is far from down and out. It is entirely possible that the democratic convention will result in such a blood bath that it will be impossible to pull it together by election time. And you can''t count McCain out because the republicans are capable of destroying Obama.
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    by usais11 August 8, 2008 4:54 PM PDT
    With all due respect, if a black man were to win the Presidency, whites would lose all control of the USA.

    Are you ready for that?
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    by dashortround August 8, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
    I don''t trust Hillary at all any more. She obviously is not willing to put "the good of the entire nation" ahead of her own selfish ambitions.

    She seems to be getting more like John McCain''s buddy, Joe Lieberman, every day.

    Maybe she and Lieberman should run together as Independents, and good luck to them in that hopeless endeavor.

    Frankly, I don''t think I can ever vote for a woman again, after seeing how Hillary has divided the party. Women presidential candidates obviously cause far more trouble than they''re actually worth.

    Sad to say, but it''s true. We all learn from our mistakes.
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    by dashortround August 8, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
    With all due respect, if a black man were to win the Presidency, whites would lose all control of the USA.

    Are you ready for that?

    Posted by usais11

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    As a white person all I can say is that the way the "whites" have totally screwed things up, they deserve to be booted out.

    That aside, I think your post is pure 100% neo-nazi racist fear-mongering.
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    by element51 August 8, 2008 5:14 PM PDT
    When you read posts like the one below from usais11 it is apparant that Obama will have a very difficult time winning. I believe that there are vast numbers of people who feel the same way usais11 does but don''t have the guts to admit it. At least usa doesn''t try to hide his racism. People lie, and they will claim that they don''t have a racist bone in their body but the truth is that they do. While there are lots of us who are not racist and we have come a long way, racism is still strong in this country. I think many of the hate filled posts that claim they won''t vote for Obama because he is a muslim or because of his church affiliation or his, fill in the blank, are just to cowardly to say it''s because he is half black. If it was a white guy who was running do you really think the right wing posters would be as vicious? I expect to get a few posts directed at me telling me how wrong I am but I really don''t care. This is just an opinion and we all know what opinions are like. Everyone has one, right?
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    by lalabradle August 8, 2008 5:27 PM PDT
    You people are funny. If white people haven''t been running this country under racism, what are they afraid of losing. And Hillary lost her bid for presidency, that''s over. Get over it. With her constantly trying to prove that she has more votes, she is only dividing the party. She did not have the most votes, that''s why Obama is running for president and not her. Let it go.
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    by lalabradle August 8, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
    I really don''t understand why everyone is talking about the Clintons. They are out, they had their chance. The biddy lost. Obama should really keep them out of his campaign because Hillary is bitter, she already lost. And believe me, men in America will never have a woman running this almighty America, please.
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    by lalabradle August 8, 2008 5:43 PM PDT
    Hillary supporters, are you guys in touch with reality. It really doesn''t sound like it.
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    by dashortround August 8, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
    If Hillary doesn''t put her failed candidacy to bed once and for all, and truly convince all her supporters to vote for Mr. Obama, then no Obama supporter will EVER support Hillary again, for anything.

    That is the price she will pay.

    She''ll be stuck running as an Independent in any future races, along with losers like Joe Lieberman.
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    by lalabradle August 8, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
    onodream,

    That explains your position. Keep dreaming there, okay.
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    by suzyku August 8, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
    I really am sick of the clinton''s, poor sports, bad losers. Maybe now that their campaign memo''s and strategies are going to be posted and made public, they''ll be seen for what dirty politicians they really are! Anything to win, anything for their ego''s!
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    by grammawhamma August 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
    Why should Hillary back Obama if she doesn''t believe he is good for this country? Would that not make her a hypocrit?
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    by randynason August 8, 2008 6:58 PM PDT
    With all due respect, if a black man were to win the Presidency, whites would lose all control of the USA.

    Are you ready for that?

    Posted by usais11

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    As a white person all I can say is that the way the "whites" have totally screwed things up, they deserve to be booted out.

    That aside, I think your post is pure 100% neo-nazi racist fear-mongering.


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    Posted by DaShortRound

    I second that. Sadly, a lot of Americans are ignorant and bigoted wastes. Then, they turn right around and call themselves "Christians."
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    by chuckamok August 8, 2008 11:06 PM PDT
    "If there is any way she can get the nomination she will find it."

    Yeah, even if Obama has to be Vince-Fostered.

    The Clintons are felons. No more Clinton scum in the White House. Never again.
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    by wellhell3 August 9, 2008 12:38 AM PDT
    truly convince all her supporters to vote for Mr. Obama, then no Obama supporter will EVER support Hillary again, for anything.

    That is the price she will pay.

    She''''ll be stuck running as an Independent in any future races, along with losers like Joe Lieberman.


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    Posted by DaShortRound at 05:46 PM : Aug 08, 2008

    Who the hell cares! She smoked him on support anyway! And he''ll be sent back to Chicago riding his camel!

    Good riddance!
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    by tazmjam August 9, 2008 3:34 AM PDT
    I just love how the media manages to stir up trouble when there is none. Mention the Clintons and the slavering mangy O dogs come out in full force. Clinton better get her supporters in line or her career is over, her supporters who don%u2019t like Obama are racist. The negative remarks just go on and on. I doubt there will be any MAJOR problem at the DNC unless they prevent the role call vote from taking place. Everyone knows Obama will get the official nomination but tradition should not be changed because the race was close. The floor vote has been done at the convention for the past 124 years. If they try to change the rules by excluding her in nomination, and the role call, I have no doubt all he// will break lose.
    Hillary should speak on Tues. it is the 88 anniversary of women%u2019s right to vote. No women has come closer to winning the nomination. Regardless of what some of you Obama supporters think, there are still many people who like the Clintons. In your words,%u201CGet Over it.%u201D If Obama loses in Nov it%u2019s his own fault. His poll numbers are slipping because the Repubs have found his Achilles heel. He can come across as arrogant and they are using his cult like following and inability to take criticism against him. They have won in the past by zeroing in on the other candidates weakness. He may be able to stop this downward spiral but not with self-righteous indignation. If I vote for Obama it will be in spite of his supporters, not because of them.
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    by ramos937 August 9, 2008 5:55 AM PDT
    The Clinton camp (Bill, Hilliary, everybody who supported them in the primaries) have a choice - either help elect Obama or elect McCain. In the former, they would play a vital role in the Obama administration. In the latter, they would play no role in the McCain administration. No power in the latter. The Clintons do not really have real clout period.

    As to the debt - about $12M of the approx $24M is a loan from Hilliary. The rest can be paid off from Bill''s funds or over a period of time from book sales, speaking engagements and/or rich friends.
    Obama has no obligation to pay her debts.
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    by wellhell3 August 9, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
    The Clinton camp (Bill, Hilliary, everybody who supported them in the primaries) have a choice - either help elect Obama or elect McCain. In the former, they would play a vital role in the Obama administration. In the latter, they would play no role in the McCain administration. No power in the latter. The Clintons do not really have real clout period.

    As to the debt - about $12M of the approx $24M is a loan from Hilliary. The rest can be paid off from Bill''''s funds or over a period of time from book sales, speaking engagements and/or rich friends.
    Obama has no obligation to pay her debts.


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    Posted by ramos937 at 05:55 AM : Aug 09, 2008

    No thanks! I''ll just vote for McCain whom I trust not to allow our Constitution to be buried in global authority, and who will defend this country against the Islamofast bastwards and no play kissy kissy smoochie face with them.
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