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June 25, 2008 8:45 AM

Starting Gate: Just How Confident Should Democrats Be?

Does Barack Obama already have the presidency locked up? For Democrats, it might be tempting to think so.

A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll out yesterday shows Obama with a 12 point edge – an advantage that stretches to 15 points when Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are included.

The poll also suggests that more voters are identifying as Democrats than Republicans, and that John McCain is suffering from a “passion gap” – while just 58 percent of conservatives said they would vote for McCain, 79 percent of liberals vowed to vote for Obama.

In addition, almost every metric in the race favors the Democratic candidate – among them the candidate’s fundraising ability, trends in party identification, and disenchantment with the current (Republican) president. McCain seems to realize that he faces an uphill battle: At a fundraiser yesterday, the presumptive GOP nominee said, “We are behind, we are the underdog. That’s what I like to be.”

And while that may be a stretch, Democrats would be wise to temper their enthusiasm. For a cautionary tale, they need look no further than 1988: In May of that year, Michael Dukakis had a 10 point lead over George Bush in a New York Times/CBS News Poll. A Gallup poll taken two months later, just after the Democratic convention, showed Dukakis with a 17 point lead. Note this passage in the 1988 Times story on the May poll, concerning the silver lining for Republicans: “Many voters, for example, worried that Mr. Dukakis may lack the [experience] to be President.” Sound familiar?

Just as Republicans are looking to do with Obama, Dukakis was defined by his opponent over the course of the election as an elitist who was unprepared to deal effectively with national security issues. The Massachusetts governor’s missteps on the trail – chief among them the disastrous M1 Abrams tank photo-op – only exacerbated that perception. (Obama, of course, has already shown a propensity for missteps of his own, among them the “bitter/cling” comments and his connection to former pastor Jeremiah Wright.)

Obama is no Dukakis: The Illinois senator is a far more charismatic campaigner, and will not take the sort of time off from running for president that Dukakis disastrously did in 1988. And as Power Line points out, June polls have become far more predictive of final results since Dukakis’ failed run. But even now, McCain’s chances may be better than these early national polls suggest: CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder examined the general election map Friday and found that between base states and those leaning towards McCain, the Arizona senator could claim 220 electoral votes. Obama could claim 212.

McCain’s biggest problem may simply be that he needs Obama’s help. If the presumptive Democratic nominee doesn’t make serious mistakes in the coming months, it may be extremely difficult for his rival to close the gap – even if McCain’s campaign comes up with the 2008 equivalent of a Willie Horton ad. Still, anyone who thinks the election is already over would be wise to study their political history – and remember we have no idea what surprises could come between now and Election Day.

Around The Track:

  • In an ad out yesterday, Oregon Republican senator Gordon Smith crossed party lines to align himself with Obama. “Who says Gordon Smith led the fight for better gas mileage and a cleaner environment? Barack Obama,” an announcer says in the spot, which you can see here. ”He joined with Gordon and broke through a 20-year deadlock to pass new laws that increase gas mileage for automobiles.” Responding to the ad, campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement that while Obama “has a long record of bipartisan accomplishment,” the candidate supports Smith’s rival, Democrat Jeff Merkley, in the Oregon Senate race.

  • Obama is “giving the green light to his financial contributors to help pay off Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign debt,” CBS News’ Maria Gavrilovic reports. The presumptive Democratic nominee gave the go-ahead on a conference call with his National Finance Committee last night. Obama’s finance team is expected to help Clinton pay off roughly $10 million in debt, though not the $12.5 million she lent her own campaign.

  • McCain announced more foreign travel yesterday, this time a planned trip to Columbia which is scheduled to take place before July 4th. “I want to assure [Colombian President Alvaro Uribe] that I believe in free trade between our two countries, that I believe that our two nations can work together and fight back the scourge of drugs that has so much afflicted their country and ours,” McCain said. Obama opposes a proposed free-trade deal with Columbia. Senators Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman will accompany McCain on the trip.

  • Michelle Obama will give the keynote address at the Gay and Lesbian Leadership Council Gala in New York City tomorrow night. She will be joined at the Democratic National Committee fundraiser by DNC Chair Howard Dean and New York First Lady Michelle Paterson.
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    by beastof70 June 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
    Posted by Cryos at 10:40 AM : Jun 26, 2008


    Posted by Cryos at 10:36 AM : Jun 26, 2008
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    I''m not really into offering a high five Cryos, but two really quality posts.

    One would have to be a totally ignorant un-American to deny either.
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    by beastof70 June 26, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
    It appears today we can finally offer praise to the Supreme Court for doing their job and properly interpretting the U.S. Constition.

    Today they kicked these gun banners like Sen. Obama squarely in the seat of the pants by verifying that the Second Amendment protects individuals rights, and has nothing to do with collective rights, or anything to do with a militia.

    Thank you Justice Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Aleitto, and ?? for protecting America and her traditions as built from these un-American elitists such as Sen. Obama.
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    by beastof70 June 26, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
    I''ve spent a great deal of time on many of these boards trying to determine what Sen. Obama is offering to keep so many on here worshipping him.

    I see many of the real Americans on here offer substantive reason to show why the #1 most liberal member of the US Senator, who has zero real world experience. A man who has offered plenty in his various speeches to validate the elitist label. A man who appears to be an American black man, but upon closer examination it become apparent his only exposure to the American black experience has been his 20 years of attending a black seperatist church.

    I''ve yet to see a single Obama worshipper offer anything of substance. All these hyphenated-Americans seem to offer is a bunch of, "no I''m not, you are" arguments liberally combined with lots of nasty explicatives and selective editing to form a lie they want to sell.

    Their posts resemble Sen. Obama''s stump speeches. Lots of words, containing absolutely nothing of value.

    Not one single post defining Sen. Obama as someone a real American of any color would ever wish to vote for.

    Thus making it clear to me.....To support Sen. Obama, one has to openly admit to being a hyphenated-American. IOW: Some percentage less American than us real Americans.

    After all, Sen. Obama seems to take great pride in admitting he''s a 50%-American at best.
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    by beastof70 June 26, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
    This Ralph Nader faux paux is not so much of a case of him being as wrong in what he said, as wrong in the way he said it.

    However, there is one major flaw in Ralph''s thought process. He appears to assume Sen. Obama is an American black man with some history of what this involves to pull on. And, it''s simply not so.

    The only connection to America Sen. Obama has comes from the white side of his family lineage. The black side of his lineage is 100% African. Sen. Obama has not a clue what being a black man steeped in American history amounts to.

    People need to remember, Sen. Obama''s only black American history was collected during the 20 years he sat in that black seperatist church in Chicago. Since we can all be fairly confident he received little education in this arena at either Columbia or Harvard.

    Nation destroying libwads like Nader should be better able to recognize their own. His failure to do says reveals the fact Ralph is getting a bit long in the tooth.

    Make no mistake, Sen. Obama is first and formost a libwad elitist, who also happens to be a self admitted 50% American.

    I personally prefer to have a real American in our White House.
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    by olcottr June 26, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
    Well, I think McCain is overselling the experience angle. No offense, but he (and Obama) are both Senators. Neither has any leadership experience. If anything, you could say Obama has a lack of "compromise" experience.
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    by jack3213 June 26, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
    Beneath Obama''s flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.
    Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.
    Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate %u2014 something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.
    In the coming months %u2014 when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate %u2014 there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama''''s doubling of the tax rates next year!

    MCCAIN 2008-2012

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    by dnsallday June 26, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
    We know very little about this Obama guy,
    _____________________________Posted by GreatDriveW at 04:24 AM : Jun 26, 2008
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    Please speak for yourself GreatDrive W, most of us no plenty about Obama. We have done our homework, we have done our research. We look to reputable sources who know him. (we dont'' go to documented liars,hate and garbage spewers (like Limbaugh, Savage, and Malkin), for our information.
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    To those who say they don''t really know who Obama is, then don''t waste our time making comments all over the blogs.
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    by dnsallday June 26, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
    terrorislami.....May I ask why you are filling all the blog threads with nonsense? Nobody would even want to read this junk, to say nothing about actually having a conversation.
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    Listen, everybody now knows that you are able to cut and paste from any garbage you can find on the web about Senator Obama.
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    Trust me, your posts say a lot more about you then they do Obama. And what they say to me is that you have a serious problem and should consider getting some help.
    Maybe your hero George W. Bush can get you some help. After all, I think we have all seen how much He cares about people.
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    by panhandlpete June 26, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
    Vote DEMOCRATIC in November. We must change the direction of our country that the Republican have fought so hard to destroy these last seven and a half years. Obama is but one man and there is no reason to fear him unless he has a "rubber stamp congress" like GWB has had!!!
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    by terrorislami June 26, 2008 8:08 AM EDT
    hmmmmmm what does ham-asss, lez-balless(hezbollah), nation of terrorislam and ism(international solidarity movement) know that you do not know???

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hamas+endorses obama&btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hezbollah endorse obama
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nation of islam endorses obama &btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=International Solidarity Movement obama &btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama islamic marxist group ISM &btnG=Search
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama Audacity of Hope I will stand with the Muslims&btnG=Search

    Once upon a time there was a serpent who was badly injured in a fight with another animal. It managed to slither away to safety but would have surely died if a benevolent man had not seen it suffering by the side of the road. The goodly man carefully wrapped the snake up and took it to his house, where he bestowed the kindest and gentlest care on the snake until it was healed and could return to the wild. Just as the man was releasing the serpent back into the grass, the ungrateful snake turned and bit him on the hand.

    "What did you do that for?" cried the man, who knew that the bite of this particular snake was usually fatal. "Didn''t I take care of you when no one else would?"

    The snake shrugged (no small feat for a snake!) and replied to the benevolent--and now doomed-- man, "What did you expect? You knew I was a snake when you picked me up."
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    by greatdrivew June 26, 2008 7:24 AM EDT
    Barack Obama is a fraud.

    He''s spoje many times about not using the politics of fear and not using wedge issues.

    But the second he won the Democratic primary, he began trying to scare women into voting for his by using Roe v. Wade as a wedge issue.

    We know very little about this Obama guy, other than the facts that he promises the sky to every audience he meets, and then breaks his promises.

    Obama is a world class con man. He and Bill Clinton should get along just fine.
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    by terrorislami June 26, 2008 7:18 AM EDT
    THE HUSSEIN CABINET,,,

    SAME AS HIS CAMPAIGN STAFF,,,

    full of members of the new black panther party

    and members of the nation of terrorislam,,,
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    by terrorislami June 26, 2008 7:17 AM EDT
    HUSSEIN AND THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY

    The racist NBPP is led by notorious extremist, Malik Zulu Shabazz, and is a registered team member and blogger on Obama%u2019s campaign website.

    Barack Obama and The New Black Panther Party
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DQAOZlNrO8

    Snarling at the White Man
    Leaders of the New Black Panther Party, unlike those of its namesake of the 1960s and 1970s, speak of ''white devils'' and ''bloodsucking Jews''

    Khalid Muhammad.
    Muhammad, who first appeared publicly as the new Panthers'' leader at the Jasper demonstration in 1998, had long been known as the leading spokesman for the black separatist Nation of Islam. He lost that post after Nation leader Louis Farrakhan was widely criticized for Muhammad''s violently hateful speeches.

    He has blamed slavery and even the Holocaust on the "hooked-nose, bagel-eating, lox-eating, perpetrating-a-fraud, so-called Jew."

    He has launched repeated diatribes against his enemies: "white devil crackers," "bloodsucking Jews" and "*******."

    Muhammad had clear ideas for dealing with whites who did not leave immediately: "We kill the women. We kill the babies. We kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all. We kill the *******. We kill the lesbians. ,,, When you get through killing them all, go to the ******* graveyard and dig up the grave and kill them a-*******-gain, because they didn''t die hard enough" the first time.
    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=394
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    by terrorislami June 26, 2008 7:15 AM EDT
    THE REAL HUSSEIN, HIS REAL HATE OF WHITEY, HIS REAL RACISM

    FROM HIS OWN MOUTH

    Wright / Obama: "White Folk''s Greed Runs A World In Need"

    MALCOLM-O-BAMA LAUDS MALCOLM-X

    HUSSEIN THE MARXISTS

    HUSSEIN THE RACIST
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfC4OOm1aoM
    There''s only two kinds of white folks, there''s only two kinds, bad white folks and worse white folks. That''s the only two kinds of white folks there are. Malcolm X, used to say, from the teachings of the nation of terrorislam founder Elijah Muhammad, that all white folks are bad. He said if you find one good, kill him first before he turns bad. Because he''s only faking.
    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=169

    SHOCKING Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs&feature=related

    The shocking video Barack Obama does not want you to see!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg&feature=related
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    by seah5 June 26, 2008 3:36 AM EDT
    well when Nancy Pelosi came out and said Obama has no experience. He just has ideas. That should of opened up some peoples eyes and minds.

    Does pelosi plan on using him as a puppet?

    One thing for sure, for the DNC to mention it. Maybe she realizes she jumped on the wrong Candidate.

    Or is it that Hillary would not play the DNC game. and the reason Pelosi and Dean stuck themselves in the primary race to influence the media and the voters.

    So the DNC agrees Obama is merely a speech.

    Every Democrat should be extremely worried.
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    by smurfcrusher June 26, 2008 2:49 AM EDT
    It''s because of reasons like these, that Democrats can be VERY confident:

    "A Bush administration program to expand domestic use of Pentagon spy satellites has aroused new concerns in Congress about possible civil-liberties abuses."

    Instead of looking for Al-Qaida, Bush et.al. want to train their their spy satellites on..... YOU!

    Here in the USA!!

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/143257/page/1

    Worst president EVER. Who would vote for McSame?
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    by smurfcrusher June 26, 2008 2:42 AM EDT
    The RepubliCons are going to get their butts kicked all up and down this great country, and rightfully so.

    Let that be a lesson to them - they make a train wreck of the country, their careers run out of steam.

    Justice is served!!!

    Only 5 months and... Party Time!
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    by realpatriot1 June 26, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
    Joan1v,

    You''re being betrayed by yourself.

    We don''t have 4 years to wait for the ideal candidate. If the wrong choice is made this year the country will be irretreivably lost.

    If you can''t make a choice then sit it out but those of us who care about our country don''t have that option.
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    by joan1v June 25, 2008 11:02 PM EDT

    When America needs its finest leaders. What do we get! Obama and McCain. I don''t like either of them. I will however vote for McCain only because he will be a one term President. I know Obama will be pushed for 8 years. I will have to sacrifice 4 years to save the other 4. Hopefully, next time we will have a better group of candidates. God help our country. We are being betrayed by our so called leaders. Nancy Pelosi and Reid are the worse.
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    by dnsallday June 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
    Call me crazy Truthmatterz but if I want to get to know someone I generally don''''t think the best way is to send them a questionnare of scripted questions to prepare, limit the scope of the discussion, and make sure a friend of theirs is there to coax them along. Maybe I have an odd way of making getting to know people ;)

    Posted by Cryos
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    oh ya, I think I get what you mean. The way Lieberman leans over and whispers to McCain whenever he screws up?
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