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May 16, 2008 2:45 PM

Obama Is Target of GOP Jabs at NRA Meeting

From CBS News' Jamie Farnsworth:

Just as Barack Obama was calling President Bush and John McCain "dishonest" and "divisive" after they suggested yesterday Obama would appease terrorists, he was broadsided again, this time on the issue of gun control.

At the 137th Annual National Rifle Association Leadership Forum Meeting, in Louisville, Ky., Karl Rove was the first to go after Obama.

“You know in the age of Barack Obama I don’t know exactly what to call you, because after all, as he said, because we’re bitter and economically anxious, we ‘cling to our guns and we cling to our faith.’ Does that make us clingers or cling-ons?” said Rove, laughing, referring to comments Obama made last month at a San Francisco fund-raiser.

Rove continued to harp on Obama’s “bitter” gaffe saying, “You probably thought you hunted because you enjoyed the outdoors and companionship with family and friends.” He also blamed Obama’s losses in Pennsylvania and West Virginia for his “dismissive” stance on gun owners and hunters.

Rove also attacked Obama’s voting record on concealed weapons and legislation concerning gun sale proximity to schools and parks. He said it was not the place of the government to “pick and choose” which rights to deny and allow its citizens. He went further by saying “We believe in the wisdom of the founders even more than the wisdom of a liberal senator from the south side of Chicago.”

He wrapped up his remarks, calling for voters to “do all you can to shape the outcome of this election to stand for our values and against those who would belittle them.”

Rove wasn’t the only speaker to take aim at Obama. Mike Huckabee, speaking later in the program, was interrupted by a loud noise. “That was Barack Obama,” he said. “He just tripped off a chair. He was getting ready to speak and someone pointed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.” for video of Huckabee's remark.

McCain, who's scheduled to speak at 4:30pm ET, is expected to take aim at Obama as well.

Earlier in the day, at a town hall meeting in Watertown, S.D., Obama said he supports the Second Amendment.

"I want to be absolutely clear about this – I will never take away the right of lawful gun owners to hunt and sport shooting, to protect their family. I recognize this is a traditional way of life in rural communities all across America, including my home state," said Obama. "I believe in the Second Amendment."

CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic contributed to this report.
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by rizabove May 16, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
Here comes the real America rearing it''s ugly head. I was hoping it had seriously gone away, but the longer I live the more I see the same silly divisions that keep this country in a sink hole that is getting larger as the world passes us by and becomes bigger than us, smarter than us and better than us. AND isn''t Huckabee a minister? SHOCK AND AWE. There have been presidents and American leaders assasinated in this Country, you just do not make statements like that. AND Huckabee is supposed to be better than that because he is a minister. Instead He is proving that he is no better than Rev. Wright who believes this country hasn''t changed one bit. Huckabee''s comments are embarrashing and shameful.
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by guysdigdirt May 16, 2008 4:09 PM PDT
Obama would rather have his guards armed but those who do not have access to immediate armed protection left to the mercy of the criminals.
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by mattcat25 May 16, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
Guns have been another non-issue in this country that have been continued to be trotted out every election to give the Republicans something to cling onto instead of answering to what they really stand for. No one is going to take anyone%u2019s right to own legal firearms for personal protection and sport. Over, and over, and over again every Democratic Candidate has to make this case but, the Republicans continue to resort to scare campaigning to make their supporters believe that if they don%u2019t vote to allow the Republican Party to steal from the American People then your guns will be taken away. And, they believe it.

Guns and war aren%u2019t really something to be romantically obsessed about, and people that engage in this sort of preoccupation need help.
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by boycot-china May 16, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
Hey rizabove,

It looks like you''''ve never been out of Chicago or from under the table...why don''''t you get a clue? This is an uninterrupted 51-second video of Obama speaking; he''''s telling us exactly what he will do to the military...watch it before this too is removed off the web site. Pass it on...the USA and you need a Wake-up call. I have posted this on over 40 websites so far. Just doing my part because we still have mo... like you running loose.

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/20
08/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/
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by oaklynne May 16, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
Why would anyone in their right mind listen to what that disgraced wind bag, Karl Rove, has to say? He looks like a bloated tick that fell off a dog...and given GWB''s incredibly low approval ratings, I doubt that anyone except the most rabid gun nut would give an ounce of credence to what Rove has to say. It''s a laughable, predictable and transparent smear tactic that will backfire. Republicans, prepare to kiss your party goodbye. Obama 08.
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by kenbomc May 16, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
Karl Rove? The guy will be in jail soon. Mcflip-flop hasn''t got a chance. Rove, Bush and McSame are one of a kind.
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by usbrit-2009 May 16, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
Anyone who has any faith in smear groups on the internet probably read the Nat. Enquirer and the Globe - boycott China.

We should get the gun nuts to really get up in arms (Ha ha) about Obama, who should then trot out McCain''s less than 100% NRA votes. Then all the true gun nuts will vote for Bob Barr. That''s about 2 million GOPig votes that the democrats need not worry about.

Huckabee''s just another example of GOPig hypocrisy. Let''s hope he gets the Veep nomination, then all those moderate dems and pugs who might vote for McCain will come back to the fold as quick as Rove can say bang!!!
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by miles1967-2009 May 16, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
Thats great Huckabee, joke about pointing a gun at someone running for President. What a real "man of God" you are.

That a*sshole Rove is a disgrace to the human race. No one but right-wing, closeminded sheep give any value to his idiotic statements.
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by randynason May 16, 2008 5:55 PM PDT
%u201CWe believe in the wisdom of the founders..." said Rove.

REALLY?!! Which of the constitutional founders and what wisdom do you believe in the most, lard-as*? You are so full of sh*t, and so predictably obnoxious. Crawl back beneath that rock, creep.
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by pvperson May 16, 2008 6:34 PM PDT
Carl Rove talking about values, now that''s sick. What''s next, he gonna express his love for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights?
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by ehdipasquale May 16, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
These people act like a bunch of 7th grade students, bullies at best, who really don''t have the right answer, so to spare them shame and save their pride, they make jokes..and start swinging. It is embarrassing to them, and myself to have them as fellow americans. Yes, NRA or rather the people who spoke about senator obama .. you are an embarrasment and the sooner you realize that the american public are smarter than you give them credit for, the sooner you might have a chance at proving any kind of point you think you have.
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by ehdipasquale May 16, 2008 7:01 PM PDT
guysdigdirt is an idiot and should not be allowed to speak freely. Why don''t you do some research on you McFlipflopy republican.. and Senator Obama. People like you are the reason we are in the mess we are in. Seriously. go to your local community college and start your education, you can get your BA in about 4 years, that is 360 days times 4, or is that math to advanced for you. Wake up stupid!
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by obamaslady May 16, 2008 7:04 PM PDT
I really did expect so much MORE character from Huckabee since he is supposed to be a God-fearing preacher, but looks are deceiving and he is an UTTER DISAPPOINTMENT! As far as Rove is concerned, he is a VENOMOUS SNAKE and would scare the h*ll out of a ghost!

I have come to the conclusion that these white men are allowing their racism show so clearly! WHY ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF A DIFFERENT COLOR OF SKIN? Seems to me they KNOW Obama is BRILLIANT, and since they aren''t, that scares them silly. Seems to me that Obama offers the public a chance to see what a real democratic government can look and act like, and that scares them silly. Seems to me that Obama has the grace, poise, and character that they completely lack, and that scares them silly. They truly are the ridiculoous FOOLS they appear to be!
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by truthyness May 16, 2008 7:08 PM PDT
I''t would be UN-Demoratic to not count the votes in Michigan and Florida.

It would be UN-Democratic to not seat their Delegates.

It would be UN-Democratic to not give Hillary Clinton the Delegates proportionate to the votes that she won.

It would be an insult to our intelligence to suggest a 50/50 split or anything less than the delegates Hillary Clinton was given by the vote of the people.

We are well aware that Barack Obama went out of his way to remove his name from the Michigan ballet in an attempt to nullify our votes.

We are well aware that Obama contacted his campaign workers in Michigan and had them urge voters to mark the "none of the above" box on the ballet. He asked them to hold rallys and make radio announcements in an attempt to steal votes from Hillary Clinton.

We are aware that thousands of Hillary Clinton supporters did not even vote in response to being told their vote would not count.

We are well aware that it was Obama himself who denied Michigan and Florida the chance to have a re-vote.

Don''''t make us the Democratic Party that decided the American Flag would go back to having 48 stars.
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by pr_boxer May 16, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
Oh how I detest Karl Rove, let me count the ways!
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by pr_boxer May 16, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
These big mouthed, pansies, Rove and Huckabee trying to act like some kind of Rambo, make me sick. Neither ever had the gonads to go to boot camp or even football practice.

How can they stand themselves.
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by tonic1661 May 16, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
Why was fall of a chair as a part of the joke. Was Huckabee suggesting a lynching; wherein someone pointed a gun and he was standing on the chair before being lynched? The joke was sick enough to have definitely intended to suggest this.

Huckabee has a very sick sense of humor.
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by chalres-2009 May 16, 2008 7:20 PM PDT
I am a white guy with shot guns and hand guns. I live in Louisiana and drive a Truck. It is B.S. to think Obama is going to take our guns away. Don''t be stupid and believe AHOLES Like ROVE, who might be going to jail. It is called fear tactics.
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by tonic1661 May 16, 2008 7:22 PM PDT
Why was falling off a chair part of the joke? Was Huckabee suggesting a lynching; wherein the gun was pointed and a nervous Obama fell off the chair while being lynched. The joke was sick enough to have intended this.

Huckabee has a very sick sense of humor.
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by kissamaarse May 16, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
Good, Let the GOP talk. America will find out that Obama supports the 2nd Amendment, but probably doesn''t want Redneck Rickie or ''Hood Coolio armed with automatic weapons. This is another ridiculous wedge issue for the GOP, because wedge issue are ALL they got! They have i nthe last 2 shorts months already lost 3 House seats in solidly Republican districts. Americans are sick to death of GOP shi-zit.
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by shutupnvote May 16, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
I want to know if this is true and if it is if Pelosi, Kennedy, McCaskill, Clyburn knew?

Will Barack Throw Mama From the Train? [Update Two] ;
By Larry Johnsonclose

COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED because we%u2019ve surpassed 600 comments, BUT MAY BE VIEWED. CONTINUE YOUR DIALOGUES ABOVE.
I now have it from four sources (three who are close to senior Republicans) that there is video dynamite%u2013Michelle Obama railing against %u201Cwhitey%u201D at Jeremiah Wright%u2019s church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wright%u2019s United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Here%u2019s what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

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by truthyness May 16, 2008 7:42 PM PDT
It would be UN-Demoratic to not count the votes in Michigan and Florida.

It would be UN-Democratic to not seat their Delegates.

It would be UN-Democratic to not give Hillary Clinton the Delegates proportionate to the votes that she won.

It would be an insult to our intelligence to suggest a 50/50 split or anything less than the delegates Hillary Clinton was given by the vote of the people.

We are well aware that Barack Obama went out of his way to remove his name from the Michigan ballet in an attempt to nullify our votes.

We are well aware that Obama contacted his campaign workers in Michigan and had them urge voters to mark the "none of the above" box on the ballet. He asked them to hold rallys and make radio announcements in an attempt to steal votes from Hillary Clinton.

We are aware that thousands of Hillary Clinton supporters did not even vote in response to being told their vote would not count.

We are well aware that it was Obama himself who denied Michigan and Florida the chance to have a re-vote.

Don''t make us the Democratic Party that decided the American Flag would go back to having only 48 stars.
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by kissamaarse May 16, 2008 7:51 PM PDT
shutupNvote:
If "whitey" is George Bush and John McCain, I''ll rail, too. I rail daily, and we will be through them in January 2009. Now, since your comments are apparently racist, one may conclude, and I am Caucasian, would you like to call me a name like an N-Lover or something?
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 7:55 PM PDT
An American by the name of Hank Williams Jr. sang it best,...."A Country Boy Can Survive". I Don''t feel any bitterness or economic anxiety, not with my families heritage of hard work and thankfulness of heart for the country our Founding Fathers gave us. Haven''t heard anyone yet to trump the Framers wisdom regarding our Constitution and Bill of Rights! Not thirsty for their thoughts anyhow.
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by shutupnvote May 16, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
Posted by kissamaarse at 07:51 PM : May 16, 2008


yeah yeah yeah everyones who is not a Obama fan is racist blah blah blah blah
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by scorpio59er May 16, 2008 8:28 PM PDT
re: Rove...said it was not the place of the government to %u201Cpick and choose%u201D which rights to deny and allow its citizens.

Like this Nazi creep cares about anyone''s rights.
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by l8c6 May 16, 2008 8:30 PM PDT
The message the NRA is giving the public is that the NRA is a criminal organization that invites guest speakers who are criminals. This in turn associates guns with criminals and criminal activity instead of a nice little weekend duck hunt.
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by l8c6 May 16, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
The negro freshman is doomed as a candidate.

Posted by tracymorgano

You are doomed in the afterworld
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by randynason May 16, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
The good ''ole boys at the NRA are having fun, pretending to be a strong, cohesive group of he-men who care about the rights of the little guy, while they''re actually a club of rich, old closet queens who like to discharge their big, noisy guns at little, defenseless animals.
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 8:46 PM PDT
Posted by RandyNason at 08:41 PM : May 16, 2008------Folks rich or poor like to hunt and protect themselves. Marxist historically like big noisy guns to kill poor defenseless (unarmed) people the most by far.
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by naucoming4u May 16, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
Confusious says:

"Men with big guns, have small weapon."
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by speets-2009 May 16, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
The comments from Huckabee and Rove are typical for America. Politics are turning more and more into fear-mongering and racist mudslinging. Possibly the most openly racist country in the world. I''m an American but I''m quite content to be living and working in Europe.

Conservatives such as Huckabee and the racists I''ve witnessed amongst the comments here- are embarrassing all of us to the rest of the world, the racism amongst the divided and idiotic political games I and the rest of the world have been witnessing the past few months have made me come to realize that Americans will never grow into more than just biggot morons.

You people sadden me. Amongst my business associates America is the joke of the year. I''m sad because I realize for the first time I''m ashamed of my country not for its past, but for its present.
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by rightnright May 16, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
I don''t like Obama for president but I despise the racial overtones here.
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 8:58 PM PDT
Posted by speets at 08:55 PM : May 16, 2008-----You can speak your mind as you please here, but can you over there like we do here?
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by johnbuche1 May 16, 2008 8:58 PM PDT
to ban-one1:
you are is a gun-toting sissy little- white negro. why don''t you go shoot at some poor helpless squirrels in your back yard
I am surprised you''re bright enough to be allowed to use a computer
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by tiredofthebs May 16, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
I don''''t like Obama for president but I despise the racial overtones here.

Posted by Rightnright at 08:55 PM : May 16, 2008

Same here ........
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by tiredofthebs May 16, 2008 9:01 PM PDT
I''''m sad because I realize for the first time I''''m ashamed of my country not for its past, but for its present.

Posted by speets at 08:55 PM : May 16, 2008

SAME HERE !!!!!
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:02 PM PDT
to ban-one1:
you are is a gun-toting sissy little- white negro. why don''''t you go shoot at some poor helpless squirrels in your back yard
I am surprised you''''re bright enough to be allowed to use a computer

Posted by johnbuche1 at 08:58 PM : May 16, 2008-----Is are you fresh from a 10 finger and 2 toes publik ejukashun sissdumb inkarserayshun?
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by johnbuche1 May 16, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
"Posted by RandyNason at 08:41 PM : May 16, 2008------Folks rich or poor like to hunt and protect themselves. Marxist historically like big noisy guns to kill poor defenseless (unarmed) people the most by far."

Why don''t you insert a comma after the word "Folks"? Did you not learn proper lexis and structure at Havard?
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by truthyness May 16, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
Dem. Party Leaders, Super Delegates and Obama, don''t seem to understand just how much some Democrats don''t like Obama. Well, I can''t speak for everyone, however, but this is how I feel.

I hated 8 years of George Bush. I was nauseous most of the time. Have you ever smelled rotting human flesh? I would rather walk into a sealed tight house in 100 degree heat that had 10 rotting dead bodies stacked up on the other side of the door and set down and eat a tuna fish and mustard sandwich...instead of having Bush in office a day longer. YET! I would rather have Bush in office the rest of my life than to have Obama in the White House for 1 day.

I realize that sounds harsh, but it looks like some of us are going to have to get a little harsh in order to shake our leadership into the reality of the situation and out of DENIAL.

We have to do whatever is needed to be done in order to get these people to take us seriously.

SO LETS DO IT PEOPLE!!!!

THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!!
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
Why don''''t you insert a comma after the word "Folks"? Did you not learn proper lexis and structure at Havard?

Posted by johnbuche1 at 09:06 PM : May 16, 2008------Where''s "Havard" genius?
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by rightnright May 16, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
It is not fear-mongering to correctly access a situation.Stay abroad speets, we don''t need self-despising Americans on our soil, especially now. We need Americans who are moral and upright and willing to stand up for what is right and the truth. There have been grave mistakes made by our country and we will admit them all because we are capable of self-analysis. This country feeds and clothes and protects many around the world, more than any other country. Our accomplishments throughout modern history are unparelled. Europeans and non-Americans have been criticizing this country since I lived out of the country 25 years ago. Grow up and be a proud American.
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:10 PM PDT
Posted by Rightnright at 09:08 PM : May 16, 2008-----Good post!
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
Posted by johnbuche1 at 09:06 PM : May 16, 2008-----While I''m here, what does a comma do in sentence structure in the English language?
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by johnbuche1 May 16, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
To ban-one1:

One question mark after a question, not three, or two.
Devry University called asking all right-wing pinheads to withdraw from their English classes for failing grades.
By the way, I''m logging off now so you can chat with yourself.
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
johnbuche1,....Your right dude! "Commas" are VERY important in a sentence aren''t they?...."A well regulated Militia (COMMA) being necessary to the security of a free state (COMMA) the right of the people to keep and bear arms (COMMA) shall not be infringed (PERIOD)......Thanks for the "learnin".
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by speets-2009 May 16, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
Europe is a more free continent than America will ever be. Perhaps you''ve never traveled or worked abroad.
I''ll never tell you that Europe is perfect, because it isn''t, but it''s better and more ''grown up'', as you''d put it, than America is.

to quote:
"We need Americans who are moral and upright and willing to stand up for what is right and the truth. "

Absolutely true. Values that unfortunately don''t seem to grace the modern republicans.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and see how the rest of the world views us, politically incompetent racist fools, led by a small group of millionares.

It''s a shame people are too blind to see beyond color. I''ve given up hope, I would say give McCain the presidency and see how he''ll turn your economy into a void, I could say that, but that argument would be based on the assumption that you actually learn from your past mistakes.
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by cfin5 May 16, 2008 9:27 PM PDT
Posted by speets at 09:21 PM : May 16, 2008-----LOL! I''ve been to Europe. You are so full of it! They are far less a happy union than ours. Suicide and fertility statistics PROVE IT SO!
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by o_nolan1 May 16, 2008 9:29 PM PDT
Obama should take on the NRA. They are bullies and need to be put in their place. If the founding fathers could see where modern weapons have taken America socially they would be shocked and outraged. Gun control must happen and can be done because most Americans I am sure don''t agree with the NRA. There needs to be a stronger lobby to counteract them.
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by truthyness May 16, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
Dem. Party Leaders, Super Delegates and Obama, don''''t seem to understand just how much some Democrats don''''t like Obama. Well, I can''''''''''''''''t speak for everyone, however, but this is how I feel.

I hated 8 years of George Bush. I was nauseous most of the time. Have you ever smelled rotting human flesh? I would rather walk into a sealed tight house in 100 degree heat that had 10 rotting dead bodies stacked up on the other side of the door and set down and eat a tuna fish and mustard sandwich...instead of having Bush in office a day longer. YET! I would rather have Bush in office the rest of my life than to have Obama in the White House for 1 day.

I realize that sounds harsh, but it looks like some of us are going to have to get a little harsh in order to shake our leadership into the reality of the situation and out of DENIAL.

We have to do whatever is needed to be done in order to get these people to take us seriously.

SO LETS DO IT PEOPLE!!!!
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