Starting Gate: And So It Begins
The campaign thus far has been a comparatively non-negative one. Sure, there have been those “red phone” moments and, on the Republican side at least, some of the traditional negative or “comparative” ads. But that brand of politics has been punished for the most part and the probable nominations of two candidates who have built their political power in part on their appeal outside of their parties seems to hold the promise of an uplifting, great debate this fall.
But this is politics and even if the two presidential candidates remain above the fray, they have little control over the eventual tone of the overall debate. That was demonstrated recently in North Carolina when the state Republican Party shrugged off John McCain’s calls to cease airing an ad about Obama and the Rev. Wright controversy. And that was like playing tiddlywinks compared to what some of the shadowy 527 groups are capable of.
The challenge for the general election might not be staying positive – it might be figuring out how to make it look like the other side went negative first.
Both McCain and Barack Obama have put a great emphasis on the positive tone they intend to conduct the campaign in but that only sets an impossible bar. As Obama has discovered at times during the campaign, it’s not difficult for your opponent to turn even the mildest criticism around on you. Yesterday provided a hint of what we may see a lot of in the coming months.
It all began a couple of weeks ago when McCain, in noting that a political adviser for the Hamas organization had said the group liked Obama, more or less said that the group, described by even Obama as a terrosist organization, had made something of an endorsement. McCain was asked about his comments on the Daily Show earlier this week and he said that the episode is “indicative of how some of our enemies view America. And I guarantee you, they're not going to endorse me."
That didn’t sit well with the Democratic frontrunner who then accused McCain of engaging in “smear” campaigning and then went said this: “For him to toss out comments like that, I think, is an example of him losing his bearings as he pursues this nomination. We don't need name-calling in this debate."
McCain adviser Mark Salter then responded with a memo to “interested parties” accusing Obama of playing the “age card”: “First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama's attack today: He used the words 'losing his bearings' intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain's age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning. We have all become familiar with Senator Obama's new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.”
And so the general election campaign begins with an argument over which candidate is being more negative. It’s the kind of game nobody wins but is an inevitable product of a political campaign.
But this is politics and even if the two presidential candidates remain above the fray, they have little control over the eventual tone of the overall debate. That was demonstrated recently in North Carolina when the state Republican Party shrugged off John McCain’s calls to cease airing an ad about Obama and the Rev. Wright controversy. And that was like playing tiddlywinks compared to what some of the shadowy 527 groups are capable of.
The challenge for the general election might not be staying positive – it might be figuring out how to make it look like the other side went negative first.
Both McCain and Barack Obama have put a great emphasis on the positive tone they intend to conduct the campaign in but that only sets an impossible bar. As Obama has discovered at times during the campaign, it’s not difficult for your opponent to turn even the mildest criticism around on you. Yesterday provided a hint of what we may see a lot of in the coming months.
It all began a couple of weeks ago when McCain, in noting that a political adviser for the Hamas organization had said the group liked Obama, more or less said that the group, described by even Obama as a terrosist organization, had made something of an endorsement. McCain was asked about his comments on the Daily Show earlier this week and he said that the episode is “indicative of how some of our enemies view America. And I guarantee you, they're not going to endorse me."
That didn’t sit well with the Democratic frontrunner who then accused McCain of engaging in “smear” campaigning and then went said this: “For him to toss out comments like that, I think, is an example of him losing his bearings as he pursues this nomination. We don't need name-calling in this debate."
McCain adviser Mark Salter then responded with a memo to “interested parties” accusing Obama of playing the “age card”: “First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama's attack today: He used the words 'losing his bearings' intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain's age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning. We have all become familiar with Senator Obama's new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.”
And so the general election campaign begins with an argument over which candidate is being more negative. It’s the kind of game nobody wins but is an inevitable product of a political campaign.
How anyone could give deference to this garbage is beyond my comprehension. Many republican, mass media and pundits simply do not get it yet.
These old personal attacks are worn out relics of the politics of the past. If the candidate does not speak to the real issues they are going to be dead in the water, just like Clinton last Tuesday. If you bet against the intelligence of the American people as has been done in the past you are going to lose.
I hear how Senator Obama has no experience.
No experience driving this country into a ditch over the last 8 years maybe.
Vote for more pandering about gas tax holidays that will do nothing but give big oil a huge profit and give the consumer little or nothing, that puts us further in to debt, that lets our infrastructure continue to disintegrate, that throws 100s of thousand of people across the country out of work?
Vote for supreme court judges who will set the country back 50 years on basic rights of its citizens and allows politicians to use the Constitution as toilet paper?
Vote for a continued never ending war in Iraq that does not make us safer nor address our real enemy in Afghanistan?
Vote for wire taps, torture, suspension of Habeas Corpus and dictatorship?
Vote for people who promote Xenophobia, religious intolerance and homophobia?
Not me,
My vote is for Senator Obama.
McCain tells the truth, and Obama calls it smear! Typical!
Amen! McCain is better than Bush and Obama is WORSE than Bush.
It''s that simple.
How dumb does he think we small town people are?
-----------ROE v. WADE-----------
Two of the current justices of the United States Supreme Court will probably retire within the next four years. One is 75 and the other is 84. This will give the new president the ability to nominate two new justices. If McCain is elected you can be sure the new justices will be just like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas: willing to overturn ROE v. WADE. So think when you vote!!!
AT LEAST UNTIL SHE CAN GET ENOUGH SUCKERS SO SHE CAN TAKE HER OWN MONEY BACK OFF THE TABLE.
Posted by cowgirlblue2 at 11:53 AM : May 09, 2008
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DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS - TAKE NOTICE
-----------ROE v. WADE-----------
Two of the current justices of the United States Supreme Court will probably retire within the next four years. One is 75 and the other is 84. This will give the new president the ability to nominate two new justices. If McCain is elected you can be sure the new justices will be just like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas: willing to overturn ROE v. WADE. So think when you vote!!!
How dumb does he think we small town people are?
Posted by ERoosevelt08 at 12:09 PM : May 09, 2008
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Small town people are, for the most part, as smart as anyone. But you are an exception.
Posted by ERoosevelt08 at 12:11 PM : May 09, 2008
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What are you smoking? She can''t even win against Obama.
Posted by ERoosevelt08 at 12:11 PM : May 09, 2008
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Then please tell me why she can''t even win agaist Obama?
Posted by ERoosevelt08 at 12:11 PM : May 09, 2008
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Then please tell me why she can''t even win against Obama?
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Posted by shaheed8 at 12:20 PM : May 09, 2008
Yeah she can. And very possibly wil.
Posted by ERoosevelt08 at 12:11 PM : May 09, 2008
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Then please tell me why she can''t even win against Obama?
-----------ROE v. WADE-----------
Two of the current justices of the United States Supreme Court will probably retire within the next four years. One is 75 and the other is 84. This will give the new president the ability to nominate two new justices. If McCain is elected you can be sure the new justices will be just like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas: willing to overturn ROE v. WADE. So think when you vote!!!
AT LEAST UNTIL SHE CAN GET ENOUGH SUCKERS SO SHE CAN TAKE HER OWN MONEY BACK OFF THE TABLE.
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Nonsense! And what''s your excuse for the other states that went for Obama? Keep in mind that all of these states are not in the South. Also, remember that Obama won twice as many state as Hillary. Does that same specious reasoning apply to those state also?
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Posted by ccfsdca at 12:31 PM : May 09, 2008
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YOU have to be from the South... that''s the ONLY people on this planet who would make a stupid statement like this. You seem to think that voters who MAY have voted for Hillary are going to NOT vote for OBAMA... I''m afraid YOU are in for quite a surprise. The Republican Party is, for the most part, non existent in the Mid West, West, North, North East... those voters and the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of New voters will produce victory after victory for Obama. For McSame to win any of then he must not only attract a solid Majority of the Democrat Vote but HOPE the Young and Independents stay home. Not going to happen Sparky! That''s an Avalanche headed right at the Republican Party and the ONLY hope McSame has is to convince those voters he''s really a Democrat. After the Judge Comment the other day... that card is out of the deck. SIEG HEIL Y''ALL. ROFLMAO
Posted by StupidRowdyTexan2 at 12:24 PM : May 09, 2008
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First, I would recommend that you attempt to get yourself a GED. Failing that, at least try to learn how to spell. I know Hillary said she gets most of her support from the uneducated segment of the population. I guess that would be you.
Posted by StupidRowdyTexan2
You''re on to something and I''ll tell you how she''s gonna do it. She''s gonna damage him enough that he will lose this election and she''ll be able to run in 2012. Our girl is never to be underestimated.
I guess the people who are disappointed with Bush, are still wanting to give him one more chance by getting McCain into the White House.
Posted by makeitso928
He''s doing a great job of it himself with all those questionable affiliations - she just has to hang on a little longer for the rest to come to the foreground. Don''t estimate our little girl. She really doesn''t have to lift a finger. All she has to do is stay in the race. You go girl!
I guess the people who are disappointed with Bush, are still wanting to give him one more chance by getting McCain into the White House.
Posted by Truthmatterz
You can all use Obama''s talking point on McCain - "he''s lost his bearings" *********. I think McCain''s dream ticket should be a McCain/J.C.Watts ticket. Let''s hear Effendi Snob-oma toot his horn then.
But it''s not his age that the problem. It''s that his senility is growing more obvious everyday! We can not afford to have him have one of his famous "senior Moments" and launch a war or try to order someone killed or forget to get his diaper changed before meeting a foreign dignitary.
How Old is he?
When he hiccups dust comes out of his ears.
Posted by makeitso928
And, of course, in your mind this is perfectly acceptable to say and doesn''t havea wiff of prejudice to it, right? Just lefty propoganda and double speak like your "Loose Change Agent"
How Old is he?
He''s soooo old that he invented dirt! AND discovered the first rock!
How Old is he?
He''s sooooo old that he thought the Flintstones was reality based TV!
How Old is he?
He''s sooooo old that he can''t get a blood transfusion because his branch of the evolution tree went extinct before the last Ice Age.
How Old is he?
He''s so old he invented war by having a fight with himself.
How Old is he?
He''s so old that the Daughters of the American Revolution are going to give him a medal for his brave service at the Battle of Concord.
I mean he is OLD!
How Old is he?
He''s so old that he "married" his first wife by clubbing her over the head and dragging her into his cave!
He is OLD!
Obama''s return comment was curious. He questioned whether McCain had "lost his bearings". Wasn''t that a George Bush perry in the GOP primaryawhile back? Wasn''t Bush challenging McCain''s sanity? Isn''t that what Obama is doing with this comment? Do a subtle negative comment and show hypocrisy when a negative comment is returned.
Unfortunately the sanity slam exposed Obama''s penchant for subtle sarcasm and put public attention right back on the Hamas endorsement.
Don''t you think your agist comment reflects negatively on you, especially since you yourself cannot avoid old age, unless you take the cowards way out?
You are questioning McCains Senior moments when we are waiting for you to have a adult like mature moment.
Posted by makeitso928 at 04:47
PM : May 09, 2008
Well since the real problem with him is not as much that he''s old (and DA*MN is he OLD!), it''s that he''s soooooo senile!
How senile is he?
He''s sooooo senile that he honestly thinks he''s going to win in November, but can''t remember when November is! I mean the man is SENILE!
How senile is he?
He can''t tell who just changed his diaper, his mom, his wife or a nurses aide named Juan!
I mean he is SENILE!
How senile is he?
He''s soooooo senile that he thinks drinking gives you beer nuts!
I mean senile, the men is senile!
bring back the draft hahahaah
Imagine hundreds of millions robocalls going out by 527''s starting with:
"God *** America"
It hasn''t happened yet.
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CEO
The National Political Do Not Contact Registry
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by truthyness
May 12, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
- I also come from a long line of Democrats but I have to face the fact that the Democratic Party isn''t what it used to be.
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See all 50 CommentsTwo things have become evident to me even though they don''t
make any sense at all.
The first one is that the Democratic Party Leadership
knows damm well that if Obama where to actually make
it past the Republicans and get in the White House, the results will be disastrous.
The second one is that the Democratic leadership
is throwing this election.
I know it''s hard to believe. I know it doesn''t make any sense. But it''s happening everyday right in front of us, and I can''t go on telling myself that it isn''t.
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