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April 18, 2008 11:41 AM

Clinton, RNC On Same Page Regarding Obama's Debate Complaint

Political watchers have been debating whether or not the long Democratic nomination battle has harmed the eventual nominee by exposing him or her to the sorts of criticisms Democrats expect from Republicans, not those within their own party.

But while the fallout of the long campaign remains unclear, at least one thing is undeniable: The rhetoric coming from Hillary Clinton and the Republican National Committee in the wake of this week's tense Democratic debate is strikingly similar.

Following the debate, Barack Obama complained that "it took us 45 minutes before we even started talking about a single issue that matters to the American people."

"They like stirring up controversy and they like playing gotcha games, getting us to attack each other," Obama added. "Senator Clinton looked in her element. She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there. That's her right to kind of twist the knife a little bit ... that's the lesson she learned when Republicans did it to her in the 1990s."

The RNC and Clinton responded to Obama's comments with statements that sound virtually identical notes.

Here's the RNC's Alex Conant: "Bottom line: If Obama’s buckling to 45 minutes of direct questions now, how would he ever handle the responsibilities of the White House?”

And here's Clinton: "And I know he spent all day yesterday complaining about the hard questions he was asked. Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures you face inside the White House."
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by jone775 April 18, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
Apparently, the old-guard is running scared! Obama is the new face of the U.S. and they can''t stand it! Too funny! Go Obama!
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by memekiller April 18, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
Yep, Hillary is echoing all the tried and true attacks Republicans use on Dems -- and this time, it isn''t working.

This whole situation kind of reminds me of McCain. Like John, Hillary has succumbed to the right wing machine AFTER it collapsed, just when sticking by your guns would have vindicated you. So, McCain sucks up to the very interests he got labelled a "maverick" for criticizing, and Hillary employs the very tactics she was a victim of in the 90s -- so people turn to Obama because he''s the only one with any fight left in him to change the system rather than join it.
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by eleniki April 18, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
Hillary needs to have Elephants stenciled on all her propaganda.
Maybe with the underlying comment:
Clintons: Democrats for McCain!!
or Clintons: Amigos de McCain!!
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by mrtutto April 18, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
I knew that Hillary was a Republican.She was in on this with George and Charles. She received the play book before the debate. Didn''t George work in the Clinton White house ? It is HILLARY WHO HAS BEEN WHINING... before every primary she either starts crying or complaining about the Saturday Night Live thing. She just gets away with it. Obama wasn''t complaining. He just wasn''t ready for an ambush by George ( can''t get enough of those great Clinton years ) Stephanopoules.and Sean Hannity. If you look at the questions that were designed to totally convince that audience that Obama is unpatriotic, you would clearly see Hillary fanning herself. If someone had told him that he would be facing 3 Republicans, he would have been better prepared for the sniper fire.
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
Hillary sold her soul to Murdoch. He is supporting her in hopes to knock Obama out of the race. So our mommy dearest Hillary is teaming up with Fox network and other right wingers.
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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
OBAMA, WHAT A CLASSY GUY HE FLIPPED HILLARY THE BIRD !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNO58WdUptU
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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
Obama is arrogant and thinks he is above it all. He really does not have a clue what white America is all about. He has surrounded himself with radicals and racist and attending a church for 20 years that is dedicated to Black Africa. His preacher is stuck in the 50%u2032%u2019s preaching hate and racial divide. And after reading
Michelles%u201D thesis (they tried to get off the internet) she has always had a chip on her shoulder, even though affirmative action got her to Princeton.

Obama is not for all Americans.

This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l
I77cU3jsFs&eurl=http://www.ziggidy.com/i
ndex.php?option=com_content&view=article
&id=322:baracks-original-race-speech&cat
id=1
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
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by jaybs3 April 18, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
Voters are just getting sick and tired of personal attacks and smears and trying to dig up the past!

Does Hillary not see this, is this not the reason her polling figures have gone done, so drastic in PA, who will see blame next?
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
posted by nanging3
Obama is arrogant and thinks he is above it all. He really does not have a clue what white America is all about. .....................

(Hawaii is a state in the U.S.of A, just in case you hadn''t heard that)Obama is just as much white as he is anything else.
When are you going to Grow up nanging3. Do you get paid by a campaign for being so hateful or does it just come naturally to you.
Hopefully it isn''t Hillarys campaign as she has left many small business left in the lurch wondering if they will ever see the money that she owes them for providing services to her. You may be doing all this nasty work for nothing.
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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
We have a right to know everything there is to know about Obama aka Barry Soetoro.

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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNO58WdUptU

I guess Obama will say he "misflipped"

Classy Obama flipped Hillary the bird at the debate.
If he can''t stand the heat, he need to get out of the kitchen.
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by michaelshea3 April 18, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
I hate to sound like a broken record but it seems like some people are still harping on the race issue. Is it not clear that this election is NOT ABOUT RACE??????? This election is about the issues facing all AMERICANS. Last I checked we all use the same ailing dollar, we all are overpaying for gas, many of us are losing our homes or know someone that has or is in the process of foreclosure, we are all part of an economy that has now but a $30,000 per person deficit on our shoulders, we are all waged in a war that after five years still can''t be won, we are all part of the same broken system. With that said, why would you still bring up race.



Now about HRC and RNC being on the same page about the debate. Thats an obvious statement as this is OLD Washington being bi partisian and agreeing that attacking each other on the petty issues is a good idea. Thus distracting us from the real issues that concern us. No wonder we are in such as state of disgrace.
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by kittyfowler April 18, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
I think it''s a mistake to say that Obama even flinched (much less caved)at the snipey level of questioning he received...to suggest he did I believe is mostly wishful thinking on the part of the media who like nothing better than to manufacture a little drama to up their ratings and give them something to feed on for awhile and of course the Clinton camp who are for obvious reasons trying to convince us that they were able to shake up the unflappable Obama which there was certainly no evidence they did...Obama simply called both the media and Clinton on the reality that their game-playing rhetoric which does more to discredit rather than inform...congrats Hillary you have even more pointedly convinced me you are part of the machine...Obama you are the super star!
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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
Those were questions typical white people like me wanted answers, too bad he didn''t give us straight answers.
There are still too many unanswered questions about Obama AKA Barry Soetoro.


This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l
I77cU3jsFs&eurl=http://www.ziggidy.com /index.php?option=com_content&view=artic
le &id=322:baracks-original-race-speech &catid=1

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by ladyesq1 April 18, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
Thats because they''re right! If Barack Obama can''t play with the big dogs, then he needs to get off the porch! Go back to Chi-town! He''s so passive, such a pansy, not to mention another "P" word I can''t use here. I can''t believe people are voting for him!!! If he''s the nominee, I will most definitely vote for McCain. THis is no time to gamble someone like Obama. He''s too far "left" and his foreign policy is insane. Has it crossed his mind that there may be a good reason that over 200 years of American Presidents have NOT met with our enemies. Helllooo...does he really think we can trust our enemies?? Naive!! He will be the ruin of our country if he is elected! SOMEONE PLEASE HELP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!
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by nanging3 April 18, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs&eurl=http://www.ziggidy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=322:baracks-original-race-speech&catid=1



CHECK THIS OUT THIS IS HOW ARROGANT OBAMA AKA BARRY SOETORO, REALLY FEELS ABOUT WHITE AMERICA.
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by rizabove April 18, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
Silly questions for 45 minutes is not cool, when we are in a mild recession, the dollar is worth 50 cents, jobs are bust, and China is loaning us money and making most of the products we use and consume. We have been sold to China. We need to regroup come together and stop talking nonsense and start talking solutions. I agree, 45 mins was nothing but the media taking advantage of gossip and ratings, journalism has to be more about the people''s needs, not ratings!
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by bdaman4you April 18, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
Anyone notice that Hillary and her Staff have been on FoxNews constantly in the last month. They and her now sound exactly alike on nearly all condemnations of Obama.

As they say, " You can vote for Hillary or you can vote McCain because they are the only qualified Candidates. No Hillary in the Fall, vote McCain says Hillary ! "
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
Nanging3: We are all so impressed with your cut and paste talents. what do you get paid to post the same things over and over on all the blogs. What if we offered to pay you a little more, would you be willing to try to come up with something that is actually true and factual?
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by indyal1 April 18, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
You''re kidding me, right? Hasn''t the Clinton campaign been whining constantly about unfair media coverage? Didn''t Hillary Clinton herself complain that "I always seem to get the first question" in the MSNBC debate? In the same debate she made a sarcastic comment to the commentators, asking if they wanted to get Obama a pillow to make him more comfortable. Now she''s pointing the finger at Obama for complaining?

One other thing that irks me are the comments that Obama is "weak" because he doesn''t attack Hillary as hard as she attacks him. Obama doesn''t want to tear down a candidate of his own party so he''s showing restraint. This to me shows much more strength than throwing the kitchen sink like Hillary is doing.
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
civility does not equal vulnerability. He is trying very hard not to do damage to the democratic party. Hillary and her surrogates started with the kithen sink strategy and have now sunk to what seems to be the toilet strategy.
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by lordmi April 18, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
People still vote HE won it, not that old Phony Clinton.
They vote 2: 1.
Whatever You say, Mrs. Liar - the things are not like You wish.

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by whoisobama April 18, 2008 5:25 PM PDT
I''m always amazed at how Obama get''s away with spending 20 Minutes trashing Hillary and being Negative and the Next 20 minutes why we need him to change NEgative politics. -- Talk about Double-Talk,
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by whoisobama April 18, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
How about the lie Obama told in the debate that he didn''t know about the Rev. Wright racism which was SOLD openly for years. Obama is a much bigger liar than Hillary, he''s just more underhanded about it.

Tak his position on PACS and Special Interests he''s playing a disingeuous shell game taking the money from the PAC Lawyers and wives instead and it''s documented he gets a fortune from PACA and Special Interests this way. At this point the dollar figures must be higher than Hillary''s yet he falsely exclaims he''s above the fray. What a first class con.

How about that he campaigned for Joe Lieberman in 2005 against the anti-war candidate Lammont. The 2002 speech was when Jesse Jackson was invited to an antiwar ralley and Obama tagged on because he was stumping for votes to run for the Senate... So he claimed to be anit-war at an anti-war ralley but by 2004 he said his position and Bush''s were not that different. How about that Hillay voted No on the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill, and Obama voted Yes. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT. Obama is another Bush, he''s the "nice" frontman but his platform is all lies, mis-truths, half-truths, and underneath his smooth "man of the people" exterior he''s a corporate puppet as vicious and underhand as a politician can be. Obamais DIFFERENT... Give me a brake. He''s got Hillary beat NO CONTEST in the lying department and she clearly has a better ability and more commitment to make positive change happen for Americans.


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by whoisobama April 18, 2008 7:25 PM PDT
Obama is always complaining that he wants to talk about the issues... but instead spends most of the time complaining and being negative. he doesn''t really want to talk about the issues he wants to be Negative and Complain that everyone else is being Negative. I have never seems such unrelenting double-talk. What does he want? A fee pass to the white house, and a free pass to mock the other candidate while he is shielded from criticism?

Obama is inexperienced, and he''s all too comfortable in mocking other people mode. That is his element, and he''s not a nice person, and his books are bitter and his friends are bitter activists of hate, and he associates with terrorists, and he''s downright scary.

He''s peer pressured Blacks, he''s hypnotized the young, and he voted for the Bush/Cheney Energy act that Hillary Opposed, and supported Liebermann over Lammont the anti-war candidate -- and is not who he claims to be. At this point -- and I read a lot -- he appears to be the opposite of everything he says. His supporter''s Mantr is Hillary lies and that''s because Obama is the most outright liar in politics. Yeah, right, he didn''t know Rev Wright was hateful... the tapes were for sale for gosh sakes. Sue he doesn''t take money from PACS and Special interests, and Middle-East Business men... Yeah, right.
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by dnsallday April 18, 2008 7:51 PM PDT

Posted by wholsbama......
That is his element, and he''''s not a nice person, and his books are bitter and his friends are bitter activists of hate, and he associates with terrorists, and he''''s downright scary.
.......................
Not to be insulting to you, but it doesn''t sound like you have actually read his books,because they are not bitter or scary. They are actually wonderfully written best selling books. It sounds more like you have been listening to Fox Fear and unbalanced network.
That can raise your blood pressure and give you cancer, from being so fearful all the time, so be careful.
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by stn_sage April 18, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
Hillary Clinton''s statement that Obama is spending all day complaining is rich coming from someone who during the pre-Ohio debate complained she was being asked all the questions first, implying the questioners were setting her up AND being unfair to her! WAH! WAH! WAH!

I wish she & Joe Lieberman would just change to the GOP and make it official instead of hiding out as a Democrat and an Independent!
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by wolfi101 April 18, 2008 9:00 PM PDT
As far as Clinton siding with the Republicans so much... maybe she feels, that if she can''t get the Democratic Nomination... she can get the Republican one.

:-P
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by voyager1313-2009 April 18, 2008 9:52 PM PDT
If it talks like a Republican, responds like a Republican and attacks like a Republican... Isn''t it a Republican???

Hillary = McCain
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by wanakeeh April 18, 2008 10:35 PM PDT
Hillary Clinton is a Republican operative. What people fail to realize is, it doesn''t matter what McCain and the Republicans intend to throw at Obama, Clinton betrayed the Democratic party and all it stands for. Nobody crosses that line. Nobody. The sore loser kitchen sink tactics that are ''toughening him up'' are not for a fellow democrat, who has no chance of winning, to do! She is a traitor. A horrible team player who cannot be trusted. Hillary has proven time and time again, that she is disloyal to the party and people who made her first lady and a senator. She has cursed, spat upon and even taken a *** on the Democratic party, and there is no end in sight. It''s fine for Sean Hannity, Fox and Republican 527s to do it, but eating your own young is a cannibalism that will forever define the monstrous character of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Wanakee Hill

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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 10:38 PM PDT
These reporters have no shame. Of course Clinton and the Republicans are sounding alike criticizing Obama. Obama is Clinton''s opponent in the Democratic primary and he is the likely opponent for McCain in the general election. Duh. Why does the media feel as though it not only has to defend Obama but critize Clinton at the same time so as to double the postive impact on Obama? They are so transparent and even the more even handed reporters/newsmen protect with their silence their not so principled counterparts. Disgusting. One last thought - These are the same reporters and newsman that allowed Bush to lie to get us in to war in Iraq without so much as offering a minimal challenge to his false pretense for invading Iraq. I''m not sure why I am so surprised at their dishonorable and unprofessional conduct during the Democratic primary.

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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 10:47 PM PDT
I''''m always amazed at how Obama get''''s away with spending 20 Minutes trashing Hillary and being Negative and the Next 20 minutes why we need him to change NEgative politics. -- Talk about Double-Talk,


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Posted by WhoIsObama at 05:25 PM : Apr 18, 2008


Yes. And how he complained that it took 45 minutes last night to get to a substantive question. The reason it took 45 minutes because he refuses to give a direct answer. Rather he obsfucates and talks all around the issue. And then since he doesn''t give anywhere near a satisfactory answer, he naturally is asked follow up questions which take more time. If Obama had answered the questions truthfully and forthrightly, he could have easily cut that 45 minutes in half.
But he didn''t so he has to blame somebody else because it is never his fault. We had a President 40 years ago that also would never accept responsibility - Richard M. Nixon.
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by libra127 April 18, 2008 10:47 PM PDT
She has cursed, spat upon and even taken a *** on the Democratic party, and there is no end in sight.

Posted by wanakeeh at 10:35 PM : Apr 18, 2008

Is this perhaps the first political campaign you have observed ? Seems like it. :)
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by libra127 April 18, 2008 10:49 PM PDT
Hillary employs the very tactics she was a victim of in the 90s

Posted by Memekiller at 11:58 AM : Apr 18, 2008

Sorry. Not even close.
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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 10:54 PM PDT
She has cursed, spat upon and even taken a *** on the Democratic party, and there is no end in sight.

Posted by wanakeeh at 10:35 PM : Apr 18, 2008

Is this perhaps the first political campaign you have observed ? Seems like it. :)


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Posted by libra127 at 10:47 PM : Apr 18, 2008

You will have to excuse them because this is the first election as adults for a sizeable portion of Obama''s supporters. What is ironic is that their support for this person who will probably turn out to be as unelectable as George McGovern, will probably ensure 4 more years of a Republican in the White House and that Republican may very well reinstitute the military draft.
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by libra127 April 18, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
In the same debate she made a sarcastic comment to the commentators, asking if they wanted to get Obama a pillow to make him more comfortable.
Posted by indyal1 at 02:35 PM : Apr 18, 2008

It wasn''t said sarcastically. I think it was meant to be humorous - and it was!
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by perflead April 18, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
She will not be able to help American workers as much as Obama will be able to.
Obama is at least not obligated to take care of the desires of the special interest because he has not been accepting the special interest money.
What is better misspeaking or lying?
Obama did not lie about being under fire.
You are supposed to lose your trust once you lie & not when you misspeak.
It is natural to misspeak for even an attorny, once in a while.
Nobody can be foolish to belong to the south side of chicago & act elitist.
Even those who criticize him know in their hearts Obama didn''t belittle anyone.
Everyone in their heart knows he is humble & a self made man.
Mrs. Clinton has been taking money from the special interest more than anyone else & her experience in the white house as President''s wife is not the 3 AM kind of experience which she claims to have.
She misrepresents her experience.
Is she not supposed to lose your trust because she misrepresented & lied about her experience?


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by libra127 April 18, 2008 11:07 PM PDT
Obama did not lie about being under fire.

Posted by Perflead at 10:59 PM : Apr 18, 2008

Hillary didn''t lie about not knowing about her pastor''s hateful rhetoric about America.
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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 11:08 PM PDT
She will not be able to help American workers as much as Obama will be able to.
Obama is at least not obligated to take care of the desires of the special interest because he has not been accepting the special interest money.
What is better misspeaking or lying?
Obama did not lie about being under fire.
You are supposed to lose your trust once you lie & not when you misspeak.
It is natural to misspeak for even an attorny, once in a while.
Nobody can be foolish to belong to the south side of chicago & act elitist.
Even those who criticize him know in their hearts Obama didn''''t belittle anyone.
Everyone in their heart knows he is humble & a self made man.
Mrs. Clinton has been taking money from the special interest more than anyone else & her experience in the white house as President''''s wife is not the 3 AM kind of experience which she claims to have.
She misrepresents her experience.
Is she not supposed to lose your trust because she misrepresented & lied about her experience?





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Posted by Perflead at 10:59 PM : Apr 18, 2008

If you truly believe all that you said, I have a bridge to sell you. None so blind as those who will not see.
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by perflead April 18, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
Obama''s good judgment should at least be appreciated.
He did not vote for the Iraq war.
Look at the consequences of supporting & causing the Iraq war.
Think about the lost lives.
Those who lost their lives did not get to live and have a future like we enjoy.
They have families who lost them.
Think about the economic consequences that run in trillions.
So judgement really matters
This is a reason sufficient enough by itself to vote for Obama.
Somebody supported NAFTA & has been taking top dollars from special interest and then promised jobs to American workers.
It should open up your eyes.
Somebody lied about being under fire just to show experience.
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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
Obama is at least not obligated to take care of the desires of the special interest because he has not been accepting the special interest money.

Posted by Perflead at 10:59 PM : Apr 18, 2008

Obama was outed on this lie.
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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 11:12 PM PDT
You are supposed to lose your trust once you lie & not when you misspeak.

Posted by Perflead at 10:59 PM : Apr 18, 2008

Oops. So much for Obama''s chances in November.
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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 11:15 PM PDT
Nobody can be foolish to belong to the south side of chicago & act elitist.

Posted by Perflead at 10:59 PM

You obviously do no that the issue is not that Obama is among the elite class, but that he has an elitist attitude. One need not be rich or even well educated to be an elitist.


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by michael0004 April 18, 2008 11:18 PM PDT
Mrs. Clinton has been taking money from the special interest more than anyone else.

Posted by Perflead

That''s quite a statement. Took more money than anyone else? That covers a lot of people. Such a foolish statement.
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by truth-hurts April 18, 2008 11:54 PM PDT
.....and this from the guy who has avoided talking about the issues like the plague.
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by omaar-101 April 18, 2008 11:58 PM PDT
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4028719n

The Issues: Rev Wright...2Nd Issue...Rev. Wright...3rd Issue Rev. Wright...

Were 60 Minutes Folks, were about out of Time.

A Pointless Issue
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by omaar-101 April 18, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/
main500251.shtml?id=4028719n

The Issues: Rev Wright...2Nd Issue...Rev. Wright...3rd Issue Rev. Wright...

Were 60 Minutes into the Debate Folks, were about out of Time.

A Pointless Issue
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by illinoisvote April 19, 2008 1:23 AM PDT
Obama%u2019s Failures in Illinois%u2026Blood on Barack%u2019s Hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqu3u9ISctA

Look at Obama%u2019s 13th Ward District in Chicago



Obama Stands Accused of Conduct Unbecoming a Presidential Candidate

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/obama-stands-accused-of-conduct-unbecoming-a-presidential


Obama Makes a One-fingered Gesture While Speaking of Hillary Clinton

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/18/clearer-video-of-obama-giving-hillary-the-finger/

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