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April 17, 2008 8:40 AM

Starting Gate: For Clinton, Mission Unaccomplished

(AP)
Hillary Clinton got the kind of debate conditions she wanted in Philadelphia last night. A heavy focus on Barack Obama’s problem spots in the campaign (such as those “bitter” comments and Rev. Wright) dominated the entire first half. There was even a “surprise” twist thrown in when Obama was grilled about his relationship with former Weather Underground radical William Ayers.

This was the ground of Clinton’s choosing, a debate as much about the issue of electability as the issues of the day. And Obama withered a bit in the spotlight. Clearly prepared for the “bitter” debate (and the piling on from Clinton), he seemed taken by surprise as that segued into more discussions about Jeremiah Wright and Ayers. About the only “skeleton” kept in the closet was indicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko.

It was in so many ways almost a perfect setup for Clinton’s remaining argument in the Democratic primary contest – that she is the most electable. That’s what she is trying to convince voters of in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia. More importantly, it’s the argument she’d like to convince those all-important superdelegates of before this process is over.

Two things worked against Clinton in that drive last night. First, for the first time (in at least a very long time), she emphatically agreed that Obama could defeat John McCain in November. When first asked the question, she tried to dodge it, talking about her confidence that Democrats would win in November. But when pressed about whether Obama can win, she said “yes, yes, yes.”

But what may hurt Clinton most is the one thing working in her favor – Obama’s stumbles. She didn’t appear elegant in piling on last night but she didn’t exactly overplay her hand either. But the sight of the front-runner sweating under the spotlight may lead to an increased desire among Democratic leaders to get this nomination process over with quickly. And the only way to do that is for Obama to win it and avoid an August convention fight.

If there is lasting damage to the party’s ability to unify for the general election, it’s far more likely to come from a Clinton nomination. Obama has generated genuine excitement and opened up a flood of new donors to the party. His support is passionate and comes from two groups – blacks and young voters – likely to be most turned off should they feel the nomination is somehow taken unjustly by Clinton (i.e. superdelegates). He leads in delegates, the popular vote and total contests won.

Party leaders do not want to find themselves in a position where they appear to be handing the nomination to Clinton after all that’s happened in this race. The damage to the party in that case might last far beyond November. Events like last night’s debate might increase the sense of urgency to put this primary process behind them.


Royalties Welcomed: Obama released his 2007 tax returns yesterday, showing that he and wife Michelle earned $4.2 million last year, mostly income from the sales of Obama’s two books. Income from the sales of “Dreams From My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope,” both written previous to 2007, accounted for about $4 million of the couple’s total income in a year spent mostly on the campaign trail. Obama earned just over $157,000 from his salary as a U.S. Senator and Michelle Obama earned over $103,000 in her position as a vice president at the University of Chicago Medical Center. The couple paid $277,431 in federal taxes and their charitable donations included $26,270 to Trinity United Church of Christ, the former church of Rzev. Jeremiah Wright, whose controversial statements have caused problems for Obama’s campaign.


Delegate Count Update: Just because we haven’t had a primary contest for five weeks or so doesn’t mean that the delegate counts have remained static. Here’s the most recent count from the CBS News election and survey unit: Obama leads overall in CBS News’ delegate estimate, 1,637 to 1,495 (2,025 total are needed to win the nomination). Among “pledged” delegates won in state contests (excluding Florida and Michigan), Obama leads 1,411 to 1,243 with 566 remaining to be won in upcoming contests. Among “superdelegates” who have declared support for a candidate, Clinton retains a narrow 252 to 226 lead with 317 who have yet to decide.


Around The Track

  • In a meeting with Jewish leaders in Philadelphia yesterday, Obama criticized former president Jimmy Carter’s plans to sit visit with leaders of Hamas during an upcoming trip to the Middle East. “We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction," Obama said. "We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."

  • John McCain responded to Rep. John Murtha’s suggestion that he is too old to be president in an interview with CNN yesterday. Murtha, who at 75 is four years older than McCain, said that the stresses of the job were too much for someone their age. “"All I can tell you is that I admire and respect Jack Murtha,” McCain responded. “Speak for yourself, Jack. I'm doing fine. Thanks."

  • Michelle Obama spent another day fighting back against the perception that her husband is an elitist who is out of touch with small town Americans. Stumping in Indiana, the candidate’s wife said he understands the frustrations that exist. “We
    shouldn't be surprised that people are cynical,” she said. “There is a level of cynicism that comes when you feel like no matter how hard you work, no matter how much you do, you never catch up and you certainly can't get ahead. So you don't believe that politics can do anything for you, you lose hope. Naturally, you fold your arms in disgust of the process."

  • Executives at ESPN have put the kibosh on a discussed interview by popular columnist Bill Simmons and Obama, saying that the network does sports, not politics. “Fans don’t expect political coverage on our outlets,” said ESPN public relations exec Josh Krulewitz.
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    by seanwhit April 17, 2008 8:49 AM PDT
    what we watched was a lynching by ABC and George S.
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    by truth-hurts April 17, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
    That''s right seanwhit.....play the race card....like we want to hear that for the next 4 years.
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    by craigh9 April 17, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
    I looked at the debate from the standpoint of who presented themselves as more Presidential.
    Hands down that went to Obama - he continues to openly discuss his opinions versus hiding behind retoric and the "I made a mistake" dodge. He also showed leadership in letting Hillary of the hook when she answered the question about her Bosnian inaccuracies. He didn''''t drag her down like she did to him on numerous occassions last night - he explained that sometimes those things happen and that they shouldn''t be the focus of the nomination race.
    Now there is a man ready to lead - Hillary showed she is more prepared to provide a response as to why things didn''t work out rather than bringing people together to move the country forward.
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    by mattcat25 April 17, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
    The weather underground???

    The Republicans are scrambling for something to divert attention away from their self-indulgent and desecrating policies.

    What are the real issues?

    God- religious hypocrisy with immoral corruption?

    Guns- how may more innocent victims need to be killed while attending school?

    Homosexuality- Larry Craig, Mark Foley and a host (most) of other Conservative Ministers, Politicians and Corporate Executives?


    Meanwhile, the American standard of living is being constantly lowered in favor of the upper 1% Wealthy Elite.

    What are you voting for???
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    by greenfun April 17, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
    Clinton was so much more commanding and Presidential. I think it was a slam dunk for her. It was the first time Obama didn''t get a hug and a kiss from the mediators and he didn''t do so well. ABC was brilliant!!!
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    by rons777-2009 April 17, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
    George Stephococcoccluss and Gibson made fools of themselves with their tabloid like behavior. If idiots like those two oppose Obama, a vote for Obama in the general election is an easy choice.
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    by latinovoter1 April 17, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
    Obama was tougher than I thought. This is what we need in a strong President. Thank you ABC for opening up my eyes. I never thought a one sided debate could change my vote, But it did.
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    by tyronerod April 17, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
    Shame on ABC. It was obvious to me that both moderators were Clinton supporters. It was a setup.
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    by DCropp April 17, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
    It''s being widely reported that Stephanopoulus received several of his questions from Hannity of Fox News and some right wing radio personality.

    If this is true, it''s going to get very ugly for ABC.
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    by downtowner97 April 17, 2008 10:33 AM PDT
    I''ve got a great idea for Obama supporters in Pennsylvania. From now until the election, every time you''re out in public, pretend to be ducking sniper fire. It''s good exercise, and makes a good point that Hillary lies.
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    by antonn2 April 17, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
    Obama compared a Senator remarks to a weather underground radical remarks..he is unable to see the differences...He thinks that we are stupid not to see that is not the same...
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    by antonn2 April 17, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
    Obama will not become the President, he is a LAIR, a wanna be leader, oil snake salesman..He didn''t answer the tough questions during the debate because he doesn''t want you to know his hidden agenda.
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    by antonn2 April 17, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
    Ayers is a close friend of Obama, Ayers is the weather underground terrorist that set off bombs all over Washington in the 60''s, Why will you want to have a man like Obama President when this country is under attack by anti-American forces?
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    by memekiller April 17, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
    After watching last night''s debate, I came to appreciate just how much CBS does not suck. Clearly, there is a LOT lower that network news can go. You have the least offensive Sunday chat show, and 60 Minutes has reminded us several times over the past few weeks that it is the only journalism left outside of public television and the occasional documentary.

    Clearly, it''s time to outsource your reporting to the Glenn Beck network. Who wouldn''t want his ratings?
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    by blackspirit3 April 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
    ANTONN2 -
    HOW CAN OBAMA BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BEHAVIOR OF A MAN WHO DID DEEDS WHEN OBAMA WAS 8 YEARS OLD?
    GROW UP
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    by njbedford-2009 April 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
    Shame on you George...Sean Hanity..remembering you were once press sec. for Clinton...conflict of interest...I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt..I guess I was WRONG
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    by blackspirit3 April 17, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
    IF WE START JUDGING INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THE PERSONS WHO THEY WORK WITH, SIT ON BOARDS WITH, ATTEND LODG4ES WITH, ATTEND THE SAME CHURCH, OR ATTEND THE SAME COUNTRY CLUBS, WE WILL NEVER HAVED A PRESIDENT, EVERYONE KNOWS AN IDIOT OR AN ****** WHO TALKS DUMB - ITS PROBLY YOU.
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    by blackspirit3 April 17, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
    IF WE START JUDGING INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THE PERSONS WHO THEY WORK WITH, SIT ON BOARDS WITH, ATTEND LODGE WITH, ATTEND THE SAME CHURCH, OR ATTEND THE SAME COUNTRY CLUBS, WE WILL NEVER HAVED A PRESIDENT, EVERYONE KNOWS AN IDIOT OR AN ****** WHO TALKS DUMB - IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYONE LIKE THAT -THEN ITS PROBLY YOU.
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    by cecil4obama April 17, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
    Remember this folks;Lets bring up Sen. Clintons past hate statement!
    Hillary Clinton On Southern Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw ''Em"
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    by darrren12000 April 17, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
    a little wishful thinking vaughan? anyway, believe obambi will get the nomination and lose heavily to mccain. he will cause defections among white rural "reagan democrats," and some women and latino voters. the dems are doomed yet again. too bad. they had so much potential this year. but once the media tried to force-feed us a candidate, the lines become irrevocably drawn. maybe once the dems will stop this suicidal pack with the "liberal" media. they did it with howard dean and they are doing it again this year. the media hated bill clinton but we got two terms out of him. havent the dems learned not to listen to the media? the republicans are going to run against the dems and the media and they will win.
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    by darrren12000 April 17, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
    cecil4obama - i''m sure you were in that room recording clinton''s "screw em" statement. lol.
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    by cecil4obama April 17, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
    Lets Not Forget this small town America:

    In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

    "Screw ''em," she told her husband. "You don''t owe them a thing, Bill. They''re doing nothing for you; you don''t have to do anything for them."

    The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power:
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    by darrren12000 April 17, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
    aw poor obambi worshippers. i know it''s hard to accept it when obambi does not get the royal treatment. sorry, they forgot to bring the pillow last night. doesnt feel so good when it''s your candidate getting roughed up, right?
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    by cecil4obama April 17, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
    Pennsylvanians for Obama

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    by serrano338 April 17, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
    Most of these comments just prove that you are all idiots. America is in trouble and it is not because of Clinton or Obama it is because of you.
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    by darrren12000 April 17, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
    cecil4obama -- yeah, sorry. doesnt work. where''s the tape? besides, bill won the working class whites - something obambi cannot do!

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    by gsm1565 April 17, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
    hear, hear Serrano. Agreed 110%.
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    by jntlw-2009 April 17, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
    This was not a debate by any means or standards, and clearly shows how much negative underhanded dealing by the Clintons to pull off this pro-Hillary charade. I will vote Barak Obama. I am a White Female over 50!
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    by jerry rubin April 17, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
    ABC hits new low!

    Where was Sen. HRC''s American Flag pin?

    It was nice to see all the photos of Chelsea, Gov Rendell, Wesley Clark!

    Did HRC mean "WE" or "Wii"? Where was all the work by Secr. Rubin and Alan Greenspan or were they just bystanders in the Wii?
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    by douglascooki April 17, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
    Why don''t you just do what newspapers around the country traditionally do? Come right out and endorse him officially... instead of this not even subtle but blatant manipulation that you practice to spin every story in his favor, no matter what!!!!
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
    IT%u2019S ACTUALLY HILLARY AGAINST THE USA MUSLIM POPULATION AND SOME DUMB WHITE PEOPLE.
    OBAMA WHOSE REAL NAME IS BARRY SOETORO, WAS PUT UP BY FARRAHKAN AND IS BACKED BY THE MUSLIM NATION WITH MONEY FROM LIBYA.

    EXCERPT FROM THE %u201CJUST SOUND BITES%u201D REV.WRIGHT AND FARRAHKAN TRIP TO LIBYA..

    Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, was seeking the United States
    Government%u2019s permission to accept $1 billion from Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of
    Libya. The gift, Mr. Farrakhan said, would be used to mobilize American black
    voters and bolster their economic strength. (elect Obama ?)

    Their AGENDA: (excerpt)

    %u201CWhile visiting that mercurial miscreant Libyan strongman Col. Muammar Qaddafi,
    Farrakhan struck a deal which secured millions of dollars from Libya to lobby
    for the secession of part of the United States. The goal is the formation of a
    separate black nation on the North American Continent replete with a 500,000 man
    army and nuclear weapons. %u201C
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
    TOO BAD AMERICA DOESN%u2019T REALLY KNOW OBAMA AND HIS REAL AGENDA

    DISARM AMERICA

    OBAMA is standing in front of the camera himself for 52 seconds explaining how he will disarm the USA.

    What we are talking about here IS NOT about politics and the differing
    views concerning issues%u2026..this is about the potential literal destruction of
    this country by our enemies and our inability to defend ourselves against those
    attacks.

    This is a very short (52 seconds) video by Barak Obama in his own words
    about how he plans to destroy our defense capabilities if elected.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

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    by speakengl April 17, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
    Hillary couldn''t look presidential if her last breath depended on it. Do you really want an president that''s catty, sarcastic, and a liar to be our ''leader'' in the worlds eyes? NOT. After spending all thi time trying to convince the superdelegates that Obama is unelectable, she had to be asked 3 times to answer the question directly. She made a fool of herself, yet again.
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
    Why is Hamas supporter Robert Malley still working on Obama staff ?
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    by umapinegal April 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
    ABC did a pathetic job. I''d hoped to hear something of value or questions that had deeper meaner. How far have we slumped!
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
    On the ballot, just write in "none of the above,"
    and if enough voters do this maybe we can have a new election with some real quality canidates.
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    by aldon61 April 17, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
    Craig9: I agree totally with your post, couldn''t say it any better.
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    by umapinegal April 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
    What about Hilary''s time on the Wal-Mart board? Did she sit there with "appropriate" people?
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    by renonv5 April 17, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
    Was this Horserace or Horsesh$t? I''m confused..........
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    by fitzverity April 17, 2008 12:04 PM PDT

    Senator Obama''s words regarding a portion of America as being %u201Cbitter" is accurate.
    The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that hate groups have grown by 48% between 2000 to 2007. There are 26 recognized hate groups in New York State alone. Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols are the tip of this bitterness that continues to grow as people lose faith in their government.

    Vigilantes took action at our borders with Mexico with guns against workers trying to find work in America. These actions were taken by citizens who lost faith in their government''s ability to secure the border. This is the anti-immigrant attitude that Senator Obama describes.

    The borders were secure until Clinton signed NAFTA and subsequently PNTR with China. These trade bills destroyed good union jobs with health benefits and pensions in America. NAFTA destroyed Mexican jobs and forced this mass migration north.

    It is important to note that after the Million Man March, crime dropped significantly. Minister Louis Farrakhan was at the White House with Ronald Reagan and recognized for using his influence in the Muslim world to secure the release of Lt. Robert O. Goodman on January 4, 1984. He was invited to Philadelphia by then Mayor Rendell to speak and help heal the racial divide; holding hands, singing and lavishing praise on April 15, 1997. On May 5, 2005, former President Bill Clinton praised Minister Farrakhan and the Millions More Movement describing it as a positive idea.
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    by mattcat25 April 17, 2008 12:10 PM PDT
    The destruction of our defense capabilities have currently been carried out by the mismanaged, corrupt privatization of the Republican occupation of Iraq.

    No Weapons of Mass Destruction
    Not enough troops on the ground
    Not supplied with the necessary equipment and training for an occupation/ civil war.
    No oversight of spending and funding to the insurgent opposition forces.
    Cuts in military benefits and lack of funding for long term injured veteran care.
    No clear mission and exit strategy.
    Threats of continuing the imperial occupation into neighboring Shiite Iran.
    Not enough troops and equipment to continue a practical and humane rotation of deployments.
    $12 Billion Dollars per month price tag to the American People!

    More War Years?
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
    DON''T "YOU PEOPLE" REALIZE WHAT OBAMA IS, HE IS JUST A TROJAN HORSE AND HE WILL DESTROY AMERICA.
    Think about who his endorsers and supporters are...

    Farrahkan, racist, hate monger, head of the US muslim nation.
    The New Black Panther Party
    Rev. (Just Sound Bites) Wright,
    on his staff Hamas supporter, Robert Malley,
    His "church" family and his wife who obviously listens to and agrees with Rev.Wright.
    Wake Up America !
    His real name isn''t even Obama it is Barry Soetoro !
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    by nanging3 April 17, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
    Obamas plan to disarm America


    OBAMA is standing in front of the camera himself for 52 seconds explaining how he will disarm the USA.

    What we are talking about here IS NOT about politics and the differing
    views concerning issues.....this is about the potential literal destruction of
    this country by our enemies and our inability to defend ourselves against those
    attacks.

    This is a very short (52 seconds) video by Barak Obama in his own words
    about how he plans to destroy our defense capabilities if elected.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs
    Reply to this comment
    by greenfun April 17, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
    ABC Rocks!!! The first debate that didn''t handle him with kid gloves. Clinton has has tough questions every debate. This is the very first time Obama has had to take difficult questions and was not allowed to follow Clinton and reiterate her position. Obama supporters are upset and confused that when really challenged, their candidate didn''t do so well. Many of us are not surprised.
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    by tawpdawg11 April 17, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
    THIS JUST IN ! Clinton has agreed to attend a debate in North Carolina just days before the primary there. Moderators asking questions at the debate will be Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. No word yet whether Barack Obama will attend. -----NOW maybe we''ll get a FAIR AND BALANCED debate, if Obama doesn''t chicken out.
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    by allamr18 April 17, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
    are you two serious? barry was a nick name given to him when he was in indonesia and hawaii. and the last name came from his step dad when his mom remarried. and please explain to me the racism in wrights speech. did the kkk not have its origin in america to which many elected officials were members of during the 60''s? of the 5 presumed origins of aids 3 of them deal with direct infection to africans. and who insults a mans wife? that shows little class and litttle tact. condeleeza rice has come out and said the same exact thing his wife said is she now some anti american?
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    by mattcat25 April 17, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
    The Republican Bush/Cheney Administration was the Trojan Horse Virus unleashed on America, they promised Moral Values and Prosperity through Free Market Economy.
    The reality and results have been:

    Perpetual War
    Unfair taxation of the middle class
    High prices for energy and everything else
    High medical costs and prescription drugs
    Pollution
    Corruption
    Religious hypocrisy and abuse of church status tax laws
    Degradation of our infrastructure
    Continued export of American jobs to overseas slave labor
    Decline in US stature and respect of the world community


    In the words of our great FoxNews Network
    %u201CSome people say, America has been ruined by Conservatism%u2026%u201D
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    by noloyalisti April 17, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
    ABC News along with the entire mainstream media is an embarrassment to America. They are, as my kids would say, a freak show. They are in the entertainment business and they think elections are a game.

    In fact, that is how they approached the invasion and brutal occupation of Iraq. They were the cheerleaders as if it was a game. Of course all their parent companies are making big money on the killing of Americans and Iraqis.

    Shame on ABC (and MSNBC, CBS, Fox, etc.). Go to the progressive blogs to find out what is going on in fascist America.
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    by twojohnny April 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
    The article''s point that the continuing heated democratic contest is reducing the odds of a democratic victory in November is SPOT ON. Note that it''s been the Clinton campaign firing not only the first shot but every shot thereafter? Every strategy acted out by the Clinton campaign lately makes McCain look better and better. Clinton appears to be so paranoid about her own "baggage", she figures she needs to muddy-up Obama in an attempt to bring him down to her level (of baggage). GEEZ...goes to show that Clinton has such limited vision that she can not see beyond her own self interests. I, for one, have had enough of that. Clinton''s behavior, on a daily basis, only convinces me more that Obama''s the guy the democratic party needs. If Clinton doesn''t wise-up soon there will only be one choice available to the voters of this nation in November...and it won''t be a democrat.
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    by allamr18 April 17, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
    No one is mad that they gave him hard questions. they are mad because they didnt allow him to respond without interruption and every 30 seconds it was a shot of chelsea in the stands. obama didnt attack her like he couldve because its not relevant. he couldve talked about mark penn and bills ties to the columbia trade act or hillarys lies of the woman who died from no healthcare or the fact that one of the people in her add wasnt from pa or the fact that bill had money given to him by a group who supports china. he couldve but he didnt, what would that have proved?
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