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April 10, 2008 9:35 AM

Starting Gate: Just Another Politician?

(CBS)
For most of the past year, Barack Obama has been more than a presidential candidate, he’s been the leader of a movement that seeks to transcend politics as usual, put away the divisions which have defined politics since the Vietnam era and find consensus among a broad swath of the electorate. But the lengthy and sometimes bitter primary campaign has taken a toll on that image in ways that might not become totally apparent until the general election should he win the nomination.

His past association with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright is, of course, the most obvious example of the dents his image has taken. The widely circulated comments made by Wright exposed the still-deep racial divisions, something Obama himself acknowledged in his much-heralded speech on the controversy. Concerns about Wright’s comments about Israel and the American government have caused enough suspicion about Obama’s feelings that he recently has felt the need to reiterate his patriotism on occasion.

But there are other signs that Obama is as much a practical politician as movement leader. This week, Obama signaled that he may decide to opt out of public financing for the fall election and rely instead on the unprecedented network of small donors he’s built. Such a move could almost insure that his campaign would have a huge financial advantage for the runup to November, a smart decision to be sure. But it comes after Obama had earlier said he would accept the public financing system as long as the GOP nominee did the same and all signs point to John McCain doing just that.

Then there is the issue of Michigan and Florida, where Obama forces were somewhat instrumental in stopping any efforts aimed at re-voting in those states. His campaign has a point in arguing against counting the results as they are from the January primaries, which broke party rules. But the moral high ground is not found in stopping voters in those two very important states. Shutting down the voters now may be the practical move to win the nomination but could haunt the campaign in November.

Obama has gotten tremendous mileage from his initial speech opposing the war in Iraq in 2002, contrasting him favorable with Hillary Clinton who is suspected of supporting the war for largely political reasons. Yet Obama’s pledge to end the war and withdraw U.S. troops in a specific time frame has been undermined at least once by a former advisor who acknowledged that what happens in Iraq largely depends on what the next president finds the situation to be upon coming into office. And while discredited to a point, the suggestion that another Obama advisor gave a wink to Canadian officials about his future course on NAFTA raises at least the possibility that what is said on the campaign trail is “just talk,” as Clinton likes to say.

Clinton is the prototype politician. It’s one reason she finds herself in the position of needing a miracle comeback. Obama’s perceived authenticity and grandiosity is the antidote to that. But in this long primary campaign, he’s shown that’s he’s a politician too.


The Real Big Apple? New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg made waves when he introduced Obama for an economic address. It was the second rather high-profile public melding of the one-time presidential aspirant and the Democratic front-runner and set off a round of talk about a possible ticket for the fall. Today, the independent mayor will go back across the aisle by introducing presumptive GOP nominee John McCain at a business roundtable. Bloomberg has indicated his endorsement is open to any candidate in the fall but appeared thus far to be leaning much more toward the Democrats, Obama in particular. "I hope we'll be able to by November say, 'There is a candidate that, while I don't agree with him or her on everything, they are not leading me down a garden path,'” Bloomberg tells the New York Daily News.


He Cares: After criticism that his initial reaction to the mortgage situation was too heavy on laissez-faire, McCain will today propose a plan that would give some homeowners facing foreclosure an opportunity to trade their mortgages for more manageable loans. According to the AP, the plan would help both the homeowner and lender by providing certificates to make up for the loan’s original value which could be shared if the house sells for more in the future. "It is built on the reality that homeowners should have an equity capital stake in their home," McCain will say, according to prepared remarks. "Homeowners would end up with a 30-year mortgage and an equity stake in their home. The new lender would receive a federal guarantee of the mortgage. And the taxpayer gets a benefit if the sale value ever recovers."


Around The Track

  • Both Democratic campaigns are scouring lists of delegates in California and seeking to purge any suspect delegates who might switch allegiances before party caucuses this weekend select the slate of delegates for each candidate, reports the AP.

  • Democratic activists, led by one-time conservative journalist David Brock, are launching a $40 million media campaign aimed at attacking McCain over the next few months, reports the Politico.

  • Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar may have had at least one personal incentive when she decided to throw her support behind Obama. According to the Washington Post, when she was discussing the decision with Obama, Kolbuchar lobbied for her daughter to be considered for a vital position – that of babysitter for Obama’s two daughters.

  • “I've always been a Hillary supporter. There is no one more qualified. … Having said that, I never cease to be amazed at the misogynistic attitude of some of the people in this country. And I say to hell with them. … I love you Hillary, I’ll be there for you at all times.” – Elton John, at his fundraising concert for Clinton last night.
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    by mudrose-2009 April 10, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
    Yup. He''s better at the bull. In polite circles it''s simply called Rhetoric.
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    by ksh1022 April 10, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
    Obama is all talk. he doesn''t put any real work behind his words. Anyone can say "change" and "hope". What has he done to bring about change? He hasn''t had a single meeting of the committee he chairs. He is backed by Kerry and Kennedy lifetime politicians. He voted "present" 130 times in the Illinois Senate. Which says to me that he was more interested in playing politician than doing the job he was elected to do. He has long time questionable associates. He belonged to a overtly racist and anti-American church for 20 years. What legislation has he put forth not just added his name to? None. He is "all hat, no cattle". Hillary would be a far better choice for us. She is smart, capable, experienced and tough.
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    by blackspirit3 April 10, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
    THE LAST PRESIDENT TO WRITE TWO BOOKS WITH HIS OWN HANDS WAS.....? EXACTLY. HE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POLITICIAN.
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    by mrtutto April 10, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
    Why hasn''t CBS news covered the contravertial comments made by reverend Elton John.
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    by ranger1948 April 10, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
    I think obama is a reall slime ball, almost as bad as bush and his cohorts in crime.
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    by tangolopez April 10, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
    This is bad journalism. And I believe the writer to be a Hillary supporter.If a journalist looses his/hers authenticity, it is no longer news and should be considered garbage/gossip.
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    by craigh9 April 10, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
    So in order to not be a typical politician he is suppose to roll over and let Michigan and Florida go to Hillary even though she agreed they shouldn''t count, but in typical political fashion went back on her word. Also, you feel he shouldn''t take advantage of his fund raising ability so that the real typical politican (McCain) won''t be put at a disadvantage.
    No he should not roll over, he should play within the rules but also press any advantage he has to win - because without winning there will be zero chance for change with Clinton or McCain practicing politics as usual
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    by jack3213 April 10, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
    JUST ANOTHER POLITICIAN? OF COURSE. AN INEXPERIANCED POLITICAN? DEFINATELY. IS CLINTON HE READY TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY? A BIG SOUNDING NO. MCCAIN 2008
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    by rowdytexan2 April 10, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
    Obama is a politician of the WORST kind. His corruption is already notorious and he''s just getting started.

    The man has been a total legislative failure and has these grandiose visions that he can just fix everything! And his ties to anti-Americans should be raising eyebrows all over the US!

    Just say NO to Obama the Scama!
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    by larry996-2009 April 10, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
    Let us all have peace between Obama & Hillary camps. Eventually TRUTH will prevail. see
    www.ThisIsNoSecret.com
    Love and peace & Truth will be the winners. Let the process continue !!!

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    by craigh9 April 10, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
    hussein is on the ropes,,,

    If Obama is on the ropes then Hillary is on the cavass. This race is over folks.
    Obama leads in every major category, including the biggest of all - MONEY!!! Superdelegates are just waiting for the right monment to flock to him and his fund rasing ability - if Hillary narrowly wins or loses Pennsylvania the superdelegates could decide the nomination prior to the end of the month - if not then it will end shortly after the North Carolina primary on 5/6/08.
    EVERYBODY knows this is over, even Hillary, but she just can''t let go - how sad is that
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    by croft777 April 10, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
    BLACKSPIRIT3THE LAST PRESIDENT TO WRITE TWO BOOKS WITH HIS OWN HANDS WAS.....? EXACTLY. HE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POLITICIAN.


    Obama''s books s*uck, who wants to read about a person who is confused about his own life with racist remarks about his grandmother. There are many political people who write books, nothing new. Obamas not president,why say: the last president to write books with his own hand, when there are alot of people who write books, including me, and I''m sure mine is much more exciting then his will ever be.
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    by croft777 April 10, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
    Obama leads in every major category, including the biggest of all - MONEY!!! Superdelegates are just waiting for the right monment to flock to him and his fund rasing ability - if Hillary narrowly wins or loses Pennsylvania the superdelegates could decide the nomination prior to the end of the month - if not then it will end shortly after the North Carolina primary on 5/6/08.craigh9


    Whers your proof corn nuggett. Obama is not leading in the women votes. That right there just tells you how incompetent he really is. Do you realize that if you do not have the majority of women voters, you cannot win the presidential race. Women make up the majority of voters in this country, you have to have their votes, and I''ll tell you something, Obama does not have them, he will not get them, after this cr*ap with Michigan and Florida, they will jump the track to John McCain, you can deffinately bet on that one. Obama is on the rtoad to no where, except maybe to prison once this Rezko case is through.
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
    Obama alligns himself with Bush and McCain on the issue of boycotting the opening of the olympic games,just what we need--another bush clone...What we need with the mountain of problems facing america is someone who is not AFRAID to take a stand, Hillary 08
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    by mss309 April 10, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
    Your post is a summary of what many of us have been garnering from the information available. Obama has positioned himself to be President using a great repast of change. It is quite sad that NOW the MSM is uncovering what should have been put outfront on cable news shows much earlier. His connection with Farrakhan and Wright have made it clear to most Jewish voters that he is NOT the President for them.His newly exposed connection to the Weather Underground Bill Ayers will hurt him with his CROSSOVERS for sure. Sadly, he is more of the usual but WITHOUT any experience or stature to be commander in chief. HIllary''08
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
    If Obama can''t get out of his dress long enough to stand up to china with a boycott, do you really think he has the mustard to get us out of Iraq? IHOP has named a waffle in honor of him. Bush lite, with syrup
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    by anappleadae April 10, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
    So down the stretch we are witnessing the unraveling mytsic of Obama. His halo has slipped down around his neck like tarnished dog leesh. His following is becoming more pepper than salt and the numbers don''t favor those supporters.

    It could possibly be too late for Hillary, but it won''t matter. The Republican machine has been, for months, assembling all of Obama''s glaring negatives to be presented at the grand finale. You are going to learn of negative Obama stuff that the Media has basically refused to publish. These facts will startle Obama supporters at first, but as the mystic illusion wears thin the reality of their dellusion will become apparent.

    The largest glaring mishap is the inept DNC handling of this convention. It almost seems as though Democrats shot themselves in the foot purposely. But for what purpose? So many supporters are once again being abandoned to their own devises. Is it because we are at War? Is there some kind of wierd shadow power, with mind control, manipulating the image of our surroundings and the image of ourselves?
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
    Obama has common sense and as the expected nominee, he has an obligation to win the presidency. It is a choice to use public financing. That choice is for a good reason. Obama is acting responsibly to make the right choices at the right times. I could care less what McCain thinks about it. McCain fought in Vietnam, which cost the deaths of 53,000 American soldiers, for absolutely no reason. Today McCain is gung-ho for a similar war, a war without any reason at all. Yes, withdraw our troops. If there is a civil war, ONLY WITH AMERICA OUT will the United Nations then have a reason to intercede. As long as we stay there, we are totally on our own. Obama has the real courage, the courage to make the right decisions. McCain is a hot-headed fly-boy who wants the glory and other people''s guts.
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    by phillysage April 10, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
    Obama is largely a media creation. Our media has lifted him to a place he never earned. Obama didn''t fool us--the media who has given him a free ride, pillows and massages included, is the real culprit. Will they finally present balanced coverage before it''s too late.
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
    mss309, Isreal should not dictate America''s needs, policies, goals, the lives of our brave soldiers, our treasury, our resources, or our government. Isreal made the choices herself to be where she is now. READ PRESIDENT CARTER''S BOOK on Isreal and Palestine. He''s a brilliant man and you should listen to him.
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    by phillysage April 10, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
    Apparently the misogynist, sexist media along with the oldboys political network do not think the fact that Michigan and Florida Democrats still have no say in their party''s nominee, is an important issue. Barack Obama could care less that millions have been disenfranchised, since he''s afraid they''re for Hillary Clinton, the experienced and competent candidate. If Hillary is denied the nomination, I will vote Republican for the first time.
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
    Phillysage, the media doesn''t have the imagination to "create" Sen. Obama. Sorry but he is a self-made man, and I will never see the media camped at your door.
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
    I read an article at theNYT last nite, a preview of sundays TIME mag, a must read..obituary of Chris mathews, and tim russert his sidekick, I see "CHANGE" coming there..."hampsters on a wheel" i''ll never be able to look at them again without seeing that image, Chris said last week he''d like to have a job in Obamas administration-Hey with your experience as Jimmy Carters speechwriter-you''d be a definate asset!!!!
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
    Hillary''s experience is looking the other way at Bill''s mis-adventures throughout his life. Now, he''s paid $800,000 to lobby for the Columbian Trade Agreement. She claims she''s not in favor of the agreement. Now, is she lying, or what? She''ll put the money in her bank account.
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
    Gee, hasn''t there been China in the news suddenly, with their human rights abuse in Tibet? Before Tibet, you would have gone to the opening ceremonies. But would you now? Life is change. Get over it.
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
    If you are a Carter fan you we''nt alive when he was president-It was God Awful-It took the clintons to pull the Demos out of that hole-he was a "nice person, who could''nt tie his shoelaces" and as a result we got reganomics for the next 12 years
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
    Someone named Hillary AGREED with the Dem. Nat. Party to NOT ALLOW Florida and Michigan to have primaries because they violated Dem. Nat. Party rules. Then when she began to lose to Obama, she goes back on her word.
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    by jean243 April 10, 2008 12:32 PM PDT
    And now your sorry, right? Sorry that you abondoned Carter? Carter was the better president.
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    by singingrick April 10, 2008 12:33 PM PDT


    ccfsdca

    All Democratic candidates signed an agreement not to campaign in the states that violated the rules of the Democratic primaries. Now Hillary, who has no chance of winning is raising a stink. You are a moron.


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    by mattcat25 April 10, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
    The Republicans planned to make money off a war with a then caged Saddam Hussein (an evil dictator) the Sunni leader of Iraq. The reasons used by General Colin Powelle to the UN General Assembly were Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Well, it was all a farce. The fact and the rationale to invade and occupy a country that was already defeated and topple their government to force the privatization of their oil production was the motive along with fleecing the American People for half a trillion dollars (to date).

    We all know now that the Bush/Cheney Administration planned and implemented this campaign for self profit and have said many times when asked about the justification for the invasion and occupation that the United States is in Iraq now regardless and therefore we can%u2019t leave.

    The Republicans along with Presidential Nominee John McCain wish to perpetuate their war military industrial complex by yet attacking another Middle Eastern country Iran. There shallow reasoning would be Al Quaida 911 terrorists extremists. It is clear that the Republicans don%u2019t care about Americans and, they will sustain another war that will not be able to be reversed again.
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    by vincan-2009 April 10, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
    McCain is the typical republican politician who says the wrong thing and the only ones who hear it are the ones who know he is an idiot just like Bush. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran McCain gets to dance away from all the stupid things he says about anything. Also turns out his stand about lobbyists has been all talk. He gets lots of money from them.
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    by gsm1565 April 10, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
    Unbelievable. This message board is exactly why 90% of the world despises Americans. It seems like everyone here is completely ignorant of the facts and would rather type whatever drivel falls onto their keyboards.

    Cowgirl... are you serious? You''re really going to lump Obama together with Bush because of his view on Tibet''s human rights (which is what the argument is about, not the Olympics themselves)? RowdyTexan... corruption??? Please, actually take a look into the Rezko case. I hardly would consider donating money received from someone to charity or purchasing property as corruption. Croft777... knowing someone is not a criminal offense. Obama is not on trial here. No chance he will go to prison. Tony Rezko is on trial for wire fraud, money laundering and extortion, three charges COMPLETELY separate from Obama. This whole thing started because Clinton accused Obama of representing Rezko, when in actuality, Obama''s boss, Allison Davis, was a business partner of Rezko''s. Therefore, any work that he did for Rezko was because of his Senior Law partner, Ms. Davis. That''s it. That''s all. Just read up on it. It really isn''t that hard. But, I guess it is a lot easier to just regurgitate whatever you hear on Michael Savage''s or Rush Limbaugh''s radio programs. That way, you don''t have to think at all. I mean, that''s what our country is all about nowadays, isn''t it?
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
    Jean: a tip, don''t wear anything with shoelaces,you are tripping all over your self---The opening ceramonys are a great forum for the world as a group to stand together and show china we(world) don''t accept there human rights abuses. If we have lost our moral authority in the world-standing up first is a good start to taking it back...Gordon Brown the PM ofBritian has said he will in fact boyott the games as well and possibly attend the closing ceramony. Waffleing Obama does"nt know how to get moral authority
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    by vincan-2009 April 10, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
    Obama is gifted and talented and smart. All the things that no other candidate except Hillary Clinton possess. Obama is new and will bring a positive shift from the dark black evil years of the Bush years of corruption and self interest at the American peoples expense.
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    by hhkeller April 10, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
    Obama has a lot of nasty followers who have already started targeting centrist democrats for extinction. If he wins the nom there will be a split in the party.
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    by phillysage April 10, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
    Now that he''s learned how to milk people out of their money, he''s against public financing. "The New politics of change!" HOGWASH! As they say in rural Pennsylvania, you can put lipstick on a pig and call her Michelle--but she''s still a pig!
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
    GSM: if you are hung up on facts-quote some-the fact is Obama had his property dealings with Rezco a few days before the rezco indictment was to come down-It was as Obama put it a "bonehead decision" long before he was running for President-Hillary did''nt force him to deal with Rezco-nor was she the one that brought it to everyones attention-it was the Chicago Tribune-look into their archives
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
    latest Polls in Penn-show Obama holding on to Blacks and Kids-losing support amongst college educated-tied with Hillary on #s, and dropped 20 pts in a month among white men...My crystal ball tells me super delegates will vote hillary in @ Denver...we want a winner
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    by mattcat25 April 10, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
    The election in 2008 is about the American People holding their Government Responsible. The Republicans should be held accountable for the intrusion committed against our Constitution.

    The invasion and occupation of Iraq
    The price of Oil, Energy (and everything else)
    Medical Health Care over charging and prescription drugs
    The Environment
    Predatory lending
    Invasion of privacy
    Politicalization of the Justice Department
    FCC control and manipulation of the media
    Fabrication, falsehood, and deceit to the American People

    Great platform to be running on for GOP, and as expected
    the only answer they have is to smear and exploit the opposition.
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    by greenfun April 10, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
    Accepting public funds in the General election was Obama''s INCONVENIENT PROMISE. Sounds like a savvy politician, not the magical guy some Americans needed him to be. An ambitious politician that doesn''t have a whole lot of experience at a time when we need it most.
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    by gsm1565 April 10, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
    cowgirl - he didn''t call it a "bonehead decision." He said he considered it a mistake because it appeared improper that he purchased a small parcel of land next to his. That''s all. There is absolutely nothing legally wrong with his actions, and, therefore, he is guilty of nothing.

    I never said Clinton "forced him to deal with Rezko." He interacted with Rezko through connections he created through his law firm. He certainly didn''t advocate any actions of Rezko''s, or was even aware of any actions that Rezko was doing at the time.

    The hullabaloo was created by Clinton, not the Chicago Sun-Times. The Sun-Times reported this story in 06. She brought it to the forefront.
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
    factcheck.org-debunks the tall tale of minions of small donors-only 1/3 of his donors fall into that category, kids will run out of allowance money and start stealing from parents bank account-TV missing?
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    by dante805 April 10, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
    OBAMA is two-faced. Latest flap: Going back on his word about public financing. Typical politician. You have Obama wanting his kids to get an abortion rather than be "PUNISHED with a baby." This is truly a soulless individual. Anyone voting for this guy has to have a mental disorder given his support for that Hater Pastor Wright, his remark about "Typical White people", his lie about more blacks in prison than in school, and mis-statements on the number of casualties in IRAQ- remember that whopper. He''s not going to stand up to the GOP attacks this fall. Here%u2019s a list of other cannon fodder:

    Went with Farrakhan to the Half-million man march

    Never attended a White Church (even though he and Michelle preach diversity)

    His Wife is finally proud of America (1st statement) then she is really proud (2nd statement)

    His wife wrote an essay on black separatists in Princeton

    His Hate pastor gave Farrakahn an award and supports Hamas

    Obama caught with handwriting on Liberal Survey supporting unfettered Abortion and strict gun control

    Obama still hasn%u2019t explained REZCO ties fully
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
    GSM: I saw him say it was a "bonehead" decision, its on tape, public record, you can''t manipulate that- he also said ON TAPE he had a long standing FREINDSHIP, with Rezco, but had''nt spoke with him since his indictment, ALL, of this is on TAPE, in his own words
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    by cwpinc April 10, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
    It amazes me how so many un informed people only listen to what they want to here and pay no attention to the facts as it applys to the nation as a whole. IT doesn''t take much intelligence to figure out that a junior State Senator from Chicago isn''t picked to give the opening speech at a National Democratic Convention unless they have been planning for years prior. to professionally groom him for the race he is now running. He''s a great preacher and deliverer of words but it take guts, experience, knowledge and backbone to run a nation as complex as ours. Comunity service work, a law degree, and a few years as a state senator hardly qualifies Obama to be the leader of the free world. Our country is very fragil at this time do to all the appeasing Bush has done to the tunnel vision of the screaming democrats that are always wanting to know "what have you done for me lately"? and "what are you going to do for me next". Stop crying and get off you butts and start working for what you want in life and stop trying to blame everyone else for your problems. Life is not perfect we have good timers and bad and most people have to deal with them and don''t get crusaders to penalize the rest of the country to satisfy a chosen few or yell the loudest and cry discrimination or racism. IF you believe all the BS that Obama and Clinton are telling you is really going happen, then its going to snow around the equator.
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
    Ok, islahmb, I am one of those 60s anti-war protesters,worked in the underground getting guys into Canada-we had ideals and fought for them, there was another segment of young people who were not fighters that joined the communes to escape reality-those are the obama supporters-I recognise that mentality when i see it-that is why I support Hillary-I know a fighter for causes when i see one-I didn''t read about it in a book somewhere-I lived it
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    by stirg April 10, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
    cwpinc: NEWSFLASH it is snowing around the Equator-its global warming-You must be a Republican
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    by besscannon-2009 April 10, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
    Boy! How some people hide their heads in the sand. Obama DID say his association with Rezko was a "bone-headed mistake"!!
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    by mattcat25 April 10, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
    People who believe anything they are told. people who refuse to change there minds when confronted with facts.

    a koolaid drinker is the liberal democrat who is liberal because they are told they should be. they have made no attempt to decide why they are liberal.
    Posted by terrorislamh at 01:17 PM : Apr 10, 2008

    Hey Terr, go fill up your tank with gas and buy lunch.
    I%u2019m sure you%u2019ll find Conservatism has done did gooder for Americans.

    mega dittos!



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    by gsm1565 April 10, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
    cowgirl, wow! you''re going to sit there and grill Obama over Rezko and you''re a Clinton supporter? Let me throw some names at you: McDougal, Tucker, Hubbel... Lewinsky! Do these names ring any bells?
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