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April 3, 2008 12:39 PM

Clinton, Obama Use Different Tactics To Court Superdelegates

When ABC News reported that Hillary Clinton had tried to convince Bill Richardson that Barack Obama "cannot win" the general election, it was the latest example of the concerted effort the Clinton camp has made to convince superdelegates to stick with her.

Clinton's aggressive attempt at persuasion didn't work in Richardson's case, but that hasn't stopped her campaign from honing its pitch to the party leaders who could decide the nomination.

Clinton adviser Harold Ickes recently admitted to bringing up the Reverend Wright controversy in his conversations with superdelegates, in order to try to convince them that Obama's baggage may be too heavy to beat John McCain.

Of course, the Obama campaign isn't just sitting on its heals while the Clinton operation tries to wrangle as many superdelegates as possible, and party leaders are being solicited actively by his campaign, as well. Al Gore even joked that he was getting so many call from both sides that in order to do his "60 Minutes" interview with Leslie Stahl, he had to disconnect his phones.

But Obama's frontrunner status affords him the luxury of taking a more nuanced approach to wooing superdelegates. The Illinois senator does not have to take the kinds of risks that Clinton does in trying to convince party leaders that his opponent is fatally flawed.

Obama has recently been described as more "magnanimous" in his approach to Clinton, an approach that the Obama campaign seems to hope will signal to superdelegates that when he becomes the nominee, the wounds of the party will heal rather quickly. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, may not be able to attempt such subtleties.
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by craigh9 April 3, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
Let''s face the facts folks and move away from conjecture and petty issues.

1 - Money talks
2 - Hillary is broke
3 - Obama rasies huge sums
4 - Politicians flock to money
5 - Superdelegates are Politicians
6 - This race is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by wanakeeh April 3, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
It''s amazing how Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and their aides, surrogates, and other dellusional friends, try to spin this race as if Hillary is somehow winning. She isn''t. All smoke and mirrors. Truth is, whether Obama wins Pennsylvania or not, he will still lead Hillary in delegates and popular votes. She is on life support, but wants to create this illusion that she is still in this. She isn''t. She, and her camp are so desperate that racebaiting, lies and desperation through anger and ire are all they have left. What a shame. She and Bill need to chill out, look at what they are doing to his legacy and her future political career. They are their own worst enemies.
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by pnanula April 3, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
Craig is right. Obama''s money advantage is huge.

But also:
1. Most delegates.
2. Most states.
3. Most votes.
4. Re-energized electorate.
5. New categories of voters going Democratic.
6. Unifying persona, against Hillary''s polarizing brand.
7. Capable management - notice how unified and effective his campaign team is vs. Hillary''s.

Super-delegates can ponder for a couple more months, but they should convene in June per Phil Bredesen''s suggestion, vote, and put Obama on an early, unified path to beating McCain in November.
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by rufisgufis April 3, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
Why are the Clintons hiding their income tax returns? They are hiding something, that''s why. She was trying to stall in the hope that she would have won the nomination by now and could maybe avoid revealing them altogether. Two weeks ago she said she would released them in a week. That week has passed and she is still stalling. Her latest is that she will release them by April 15 - she didn''t say what year.
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by deq54 April 3, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
Once a supporter of Hillary Clinton I have been very turned off by her fabrication of the Bosnia visit, and her heavy handedness with SDs, and frankly her lack of transparency in her taxes, Bill''s library contributors, and finally her support of NAFTA. I made my first donation to Barack Obama of $37 (his bowling score) a few days ago.
This change of candidate was not an easy choice. I hope that Obama supporters will tone down the rhetoric (be gracious winners) and make it easier for Clinton supporters to come together for the most important battle--beating John McCain in the general election. Our country must have a change this year--we cannot afford 4 more years of this war and the economic meltdown we are living with.
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by blackspirit3 April 3, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
THE CLINTONS HAD A LIST OF THINGS TO ACCOMPLISH WHILE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

WHAT DID THEY FORGET TO DO?
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by jabberwonk April 3, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
What Obama should say about Wright

When asked why he won''t disassociate himself with Reverend Wright, Obama should answer with one simple statement that fits into most religious people''s mental frame:

"Reverend Wright bought me to God. For that, I will be eternally grateful to him and TUCC."

I think that that answer would (or should) satisfy even the most right-wing talkshow hack (or even Chris Matthews). How could anyone of faith expect him to throw Wright under the bus when he showed him the way to salvation?
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by wolfi101 April 3, 2008 3:57 PM PDT
I wonder, if the Clintons will ever realize, that people have awoken to their threats and empty promises.

We learned this hard way in New York, when Hillary promised us jobs... and then forgot about us.
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by r_lamprey April 3, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
The Rev. Wright issue seems to be a non-issue, especially for an opponent of McCain in the general election, since McCain sought the support of even more offensive white ministers like Rev. Hagee that preach against Jews, Catholics, homosexuals, non-Born agains, Democrats, etc. Electability is a difficult reason to push on the superdelegates since Clinton has higher negative poll numbers.
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by rowdytexan2 April 3, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
Posted by rufisgufis at 02:57 PM : Apr 03, 2008

Because the Obama camp would make something out of nothing over it, and then they''d have to waste time defending it.

Obama is worse than Karl Rove ever was.
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by rowdytexan2 April 3, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
Again, the thing that nobody seems to understand.

If Obama had the support he claims, and the media claims, and spews at you, the DNC would''ve already called it.

If you look at things yourself, add them up, and take a really hard look. Hillary has just as much support as Obama.

The DNC knows this, and the DNC knows it has itself to thank for this stupid mess they''re in.

And the DNC knows that they can disenfrancise voters and have to come up with a fair solution. Otherwise the Obama supporters and the Clinton supporters, one or the other will leave the party come November.
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by rowdytexan2 April 3, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
And then the DNC will be SOL!
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by joanhallhovey April 3, 2008 5:56 PM PDT
Barack Obama a fine man and will make a great leader, if people are not so swallowed up in hate and ignorance that they cannot hear his wonderful message of hope.
I have friends and relatives, and yes, a pastor, whose opinions I do not always share, but you don%u2019t dump the baby out with the bathwater. Obama sat through wonderful inspiring speeches by Pastor Wright, the man who brought him to Jesus, and he rejected the comments he didn%u2019t agree with. But he didn%u2019t abandon him or his church. He understood where it came from. Pastor Wright is of an era where a black man had to step into the gutter to let a white man pass. Where %u2018Whites only%u2019 signs were everywhere. There is more; so much more. So many injustices, I think he can be forgiven, as the Lord forgives us all. And I am a white woman in my 70s.
Are there not people in your life you don%u2019t always agree with? Can we not have more understanding, more compassion. Being bi-racial, Barack Obama is in the position to see things from more than one side. He is not perfect. He is a human being, albeit a quality human being and he will make a wonderful President, and will bring change to the world. It would be a tragedy if we lost out on that. Please try to remember that Barack''s mother was white, and he has said on more than one occasion that the best that is in him, he owes to her.
I wish you a fair wind at your back, Mr. Obama.
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by karela33 April 3, 2008 6:19 PM PDT
Threats and intimidation and lies are the Clintons modus. They keep it up. They lose delegates. They keep it up. New delegates don''t choose them. They keep it up, but now they get more threatening, more intimidating and they lie more. They publicly attack friends who as a matter of conscience choose someone else. They keep it up. They really have a lack of vision. The definition of insanity is to continue to take the same failed action over and over. A president really must use all the tools in his tool box. Mrs. Clinton and her husband just keep using the hammer over and over and don''t seem to even be aware of the more subtle tools at their disposal.
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by tlc3933 April 3, 2008 6:57 PM PDT
How quickly the media has let the public forget about Wright and ignored Obama''s other sins. He is not winning; the DNC is letting him cheat. If Florida and Michigan, or either one, were counted, Hillary would be the clear winner. Note to the DNC ans superdelegates: Those of us who support Hillary do not trust Obama -- he is nothing but a liberal version of Bush, if not worse. A dirty politician, a criminal, whose own wife isn''t patriotic and whose associations are worse than murky. If Hillary doesn''t win, my vote goes to McCain, hands down. Think long and hard before you endorse Obama, because you will lose voters in droves; we simply do not trust him anywhere near the White House.
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by smashwl7 April 3, 2008 7:11 PM PDT
Obama has never bragged about his experience, he always talked about judgment. I have to admit he does not have perfect judgment on everything either. However, Hillary is the one that brags about her experience to be President. Now let%u2019s look at Hillary%u2019s judgment as potential Commander and Chief.

Hillary%u2019s judgment should one again be called into question!

1st: It was staying with Bill for political gain even after the abuse of sexual indiscretions.

2nd: The war in Iraq vote!

3rd: Agreeing to sign up for the rules that were stated by the DNC in respect to Florida and Mich.

4th: Destroying the Democratic Party for her win at all cost policy.

5th: Slashing and Bashing Obama and then wanting him to be her running mate.

6th: Financial handling of campaign funds spent over 100 million during Iowa campaign.

7th: Lying about Bosnia and Sniper Fire.

8th Not taking Obama serious as a contender for President, she thought she had it in the bag from the beginning

And this is who you want as President, come on women of America look at who you are supporting. It her judgment that needs be the #1 issue of this campaign. She has poor judgment that is the bottom line issue for all of us to examine
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by smashwl7 April 3, 2008 7:13 PM PDT
Strategic Vision; I remember these guys they were hired by the Clintons and Karl Rove. They want to show the Superdelegates that Obama can''t when in PA. over McCain. They make sure they call people that will either support either Clinton or McCain.

They have calling list that%u2019s easy to get from any sales calling center. When you order the list you tell the sales list company this. You only want people that have been in there homes over 20 years, and live in small rural towns in PA only those that are 65 and over. This is an old campaign tactic that was developed by Karl Rove for the Bush campaign.

The Clintons, Karl Rove and the GOP know that most of you that support them are stupid.
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by nsttahir April 3, 2008 7:29 PM PDT
ONLY THE BLACK RACISTS AND AMERICAN HATERS LIKE JERKORAMA. IF THE SUPER DELEGATES VOTE FOR HIM THEY CAN KISS THE WHITE HOUSE GOODBYE FOR ANOTHER TERM. IF HE CANNOT WIN PENNSYLVANIA AFTER SPENDING FOUR TIMES WHAT CLINTON IS SPENDING HE IS A BIG LOSER.
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by greenfun April 3, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
Obama hasn''t bragged about his experience because he has so little to brag about.If I were him, I wouldn''t bring it up either. I wonder what he is doing with that $40 million. Is this going to be the election that Obama bought?
He wasn''t exactly standing up for Florida or Michigan voters, but I''m sure he really cares about those people too.
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by rizabove April 3, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
Greemfun,
Why so much hostility and anger? I would hate to be sitting next to you somewhere, lighten up and love somebody. RIZEABOVE The hate.
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by rizabove April 3, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
It saddens me that folks would try to make an outspoken minister into a unlawful renagade. He is a PREACHER for goodness sakes, it is painfully obvious that you would not support Obama if he went to church with the Pope, so get over it already. If Obama wins would you move to Canada? Then I''d say your problem lies deeper than Obama or Rev. Wright. Rizeabove the hate.
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by blkpresident April 3, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
Of course, lil'' Hillary and Obama are using different approaches to courting the super-delegates. Obama tells them what his specific plans are for fixing the sagging economy and how to manage two wars, and the lil'' woman bakes ''em another batch of brownies in her cake mixing bowl. America is at war folks, so we need a leader on the front-lines not in the White House kitchen.
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by blkpresident April 3, 2008 8:35 PM PDT
greenfun,

And you think lil'' missy cares about the people of Florida and Michigan?
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by hungry4goodg April 3, 2008 8:56 PM PDT
The ''super-delegates'' thing is just another component of an outdated, backward process. The ''super-delegates'' need to state their intentions without further delay. It is they who are hurting the Dems by being afraid to stick out their necks.
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by lordmi April 3, 2008 9:52 PM PDT
she is Monster
Monster
Monster
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by ji_john April 3, 2008 10:04 PM PDT
Slash and Burn Politics vs. the Politics of Pragmatism and Healing! That''s a No-Brainer.
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by wogerwabbit April 3, 2008 10:26 PM PDT
No matter who wins between Barak and Hillary, I hope you all have the presence of mind to remember what''s at stake in the next election. Job number one is to get rid of the Republicans... sort out party idealogies at your leisure later, just get the job done now. I''m a real Republican, not a RINO and all I want is an end to this nightmare perpetuated in what used to be my name. We can''t depend on current day "Republicans" to even drool over themselves correctly, so it''s definitly tome for a change.
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by blkpresident April 3, 2008 10:43 PM PDT
WogerWabbit,

Rest easy. The Obama shuffle will steamroll anyone in his path--Democrat, Republican, etc. As sure as the sun rises and sets everyday, a lil'' woman and an OLD man don''t have a chance in stopping the Obama shuffle.
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by ksh1022 April 4, 2008 12:48 AM PDT
Obama is buying them with Oprah''s money. Also, I wonder how many people he''s promised the V.P. slot to. Big mistake Dems. We should go with Hillary. She will beat McCain. Obama won''t. Even Karl Rove thinks so. While Rove may be the evil of evils, he''s smart politically. He figured how to have a lazy idiot drunk war dodger (Bush) out shine a hard working, ex decorated Viet Nam veteran. (Kerry). Rove painted Kerry as anti-american. What do you think they will do with the Wright racism, God *** America stuff to Obama. Rove said that they will be able to beat Obama. I think you can take that to the bank.
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by stirg April 4, 2008 1:12 AM PDT
All you name calling mudslinging posters must have grown up under the influence of Rove and Limbo...the tactics, if you want to describe them as such, belong in the republican party-Democrats are the party of WE, and the Republicans are the party of I-so if you are a republican posting as an obama supporter, go home to your party-if you are a democrat-lets act like the civilized party,-disagree and argue on the merits FOR our candidate and stop the trashtalking-dudes and dudettes
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by lastonmuseng April 4, 2008 5:52 AM PDT
All these Hillary supporters sound so desperate to win. They say, ''a desperate person acts dangerously desperate.'' Hillary is just power hungry. Lets bring her to size!
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by donnell828 April 4, 2008 8:25 AM PDT
Why do I vote?
Issues - Yes
Competence - Yes
Forward Thinking - Yes
Reverend - NO

I am voting on the issues, not the religious advisors.
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by leef531 April 4, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
The Democratic Party will not let the new registured voters just walk away. Once a (new or old)dem voter donates money - they are going to stick with the party - they will show up at the General...unless you throw their candidate under the bus. The DNC knows this...HOPEFULLY.
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by ike-3 April 4, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
Clinton is desperate. So Obama should watch out for the adverts clinton has stocked up for Aprill 20th before the pa. primaries on 22nd. This woman is really desperate.
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by anappleadae April 4, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
There is little point in this issue other that taking up space. The real issue is the General Election and the best person to provide for National Security.
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by anappleadae April 4, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
If BLKPRESIDENT is an example of Obama Supporters Obama is in trouble.
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by jedi08 April 4, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
I love how this Billary supportes are agreeing with Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh now. You guys are as sad as your canidate. Also you argument that Hillary can win in the General election and Obama can''t doesn''t make any sense. She couldn''t even beat Obama in the primary so of course he will be stronger in the General.

Obama is going to pay off Clintons debt and in return she will get out of the race an go crawl under a rock
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by mjvw2 April 4, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
Clinton''''s campaign manager, Maggie Williams, earned at least $175,000 serving from 2000-07 on the board of Long Island-based Delta Financial, which filed for bankruptcy last year after a history of high-cost loans to low-income borrowers, according to public records.

Obama''''s national finance chairwoman, Penny Pritzker, was chairwoman of the board of a Chicago-area bank in 1993 when it adopted a subprime business strategy that regulators say ultimately led it to collapse in 2001.

From that right wing paper USA Today. Oh those evil neo cons.
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by ksh1022 April 5, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
Obama is buying his superdelegates with Oprahs money. Simple.
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