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March 15, 2008 4:23 PM

Obama Tries To Move Past Controversial Pastor

(CBS)

From CBS News' John Bentley


PLAINFIELD, IND. -- Speaking out against his controversial pastor, Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama said Wright made statement that were “incendiary and that I completely reject,” but that he would not allow them to derail his campaign. “If all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked,” Obama said. “It just reminds me that we've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country.”

The fiery pastor at Obama’s church has been quoted as saying that blacks should condemn America for “treating our citizens as less than human,” and that the U.S. brought 9/11 on itself because of its foreign policy.

Hoping to put the controversy behind him, Obama invoked Bobby Kennedy’s speech in Indianapolis after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King. “He said, at that moment of anguish, we've got a choice in taking the rage and bitterness and disappointment and letting it fester and dividing us further,” Obama said. “Or we can take a different path that says we have different stories, but we have common dreams and common hopes.”

This is the first public visit to Indiana for either Democratic candidate, but it could become a battleground state during their May 6th primary. The northern part of the state is in the Chicago television market, where Obama is frequently on the news, and two of Indiana’s largest cities, Indianapolis and Gary, both have significant African-American populations, which have voted overwhelmingly for Obama. But there are also a number of blue-collar employees in the state, who tend to vote for Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind, is actively campaigning for her.

Aware of the 72 delegates and 12 superdelegates that are at stake here, Obama opened his speech by thanking Indiana’s newest Congressman, Andre Carson – who also happens to be an uncommitted superdelegate. He closed his speech by telling the crowd of around 3000 that he would be actively campaigning in Indiana, and that he “needs people who are willing to get involved.”

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by nmben March 15, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
The fact that Obama has turned out to be so beyond race and identity politics despite his former pastor%u2019s radical views is a credit to him. He has the wisdom to realize that people like Rev. Wright, (a whole bunch of leaders on both sides of the political isle) belong to a different era and are in many ways damaged and imperfect goods. There was a time when the Country would not have endorsed an Obama the way it has done now. To expect that such an era would not color the views of some of these old timers is naove. As the saying goes, %u201Cto a hammer everything is a nail%u201D.
My sense is that Mr. Obama has the wisdom and compassion to take what is good from some of these wounded and damaged warriors. It may be hard to appreciate this subtlety however. We all have friends and relatives who hold abhorring views on a variety of issues, color, gender equality, sexual preference, religion. In fact we all, if we have an open mind, are in the process towards and not in the position of completeness on a number of issues. To insist that we break all contact with these friends and relatives ignores the humble biblical tenant: we are all sin everyday and are in need of grace.
In the end what is remarkable about Mr. Obama and in fact his central appeal to many of us is his embodiment of the signature American character of optimism. We need look no further than his campaign for the evidence.
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:34 PM PDT
Far too often Pastors are allowed to continue to preach long after they should have stepped down. I am not saying this is the case at TUCC with Rev. Wright (who has in fact stepped down) but I do know of pastors who can go too far and have probably outlived their usefulness in the pulpit. On the other hand, I understand when a person has given their life to a ministry it is very difficult for the congregation to ask them to step down, I%u2019ve known of pastors with dementia still climbing into the pulpit. Thank God for assistant Ministers.
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
In my (I admit) feeble defense of Rev. Wright, - when one has lived as long as he has and has served in both the US Marine Corps and the US Navy one%u2019s experience will speak out from time-to-time. Sometimes those who speak out in the name of religion make misguided statements. Case in point %u2013 Texas Pastor John Hagee, of Cornerstone Church an 18,000 member evangelical mega church calls The Catholic Church %u201CThe Great ***%u201D %u201CThe Antichrist%u201D %u201CA False Cult%u201D %u201CHitler%u201D I don%u2019t know what he means by that, but I can say I%u2019ve heard Evangelicals refer to the Catholic Church as %u201Cthe great ***%u201D more times than I care to remember. After hearing and seeing Rev. Hagee say these things, which I do not espouse, I still identify with his teachings on Jesus Christ, just like I connect with Rev. Ron Parsley%u2019s teachings on Jesus Christ and the ministry %u2018Promise Keepers%u2019 (I see similarities between Promise Keepers and the Million Man March) while denouncing his statements regarding homosexuals. Again I say, sometimes religious leaders can %u201Csay stupid stuff.%u201D http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/donohue/index.html
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
As for the 911 comments (a few minutes out of a 2 hour sermon) I do not find them particularly out of place. The statements Rev. Wright made in September of 2001 reflect statements echoed around this country and around the world at that time; I heard similar sayings in many churches, political events and social gatherings.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright%u2019s statement in no way diminishes the countless lives taken away from us on that day, in September 2001, just as the current Pentagon Report "No link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda: Pentagon study" does not diminish the countless lives gone because of the Iraq War. At this point, what do we say to the Mother, Father, Wife, Child, Sister, Brother, Aunt, Uncle, Cousin, and Friend of our beloved American Soldiers?
Can you imagine the sentiment or lack there of, being echoed around the world right now given the report released by the Pentagon? http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080313/wl_mideast_afp/usattacksiraqqaedamilitary_080313220400
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
The Obama story is the perfect diversion from the truth about this blood for oil war. Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain need to keep the attention focused on Obama%u2019s Pastor and away from the Pentagon Report (initially scheduled for wide release but now will only be e-mailed upon request)
Rev. Jeremiah Wright''s sermons have been available to the public for many years along with the sermons of the other pastors at TUCC. Most, churches have a media ministry where anyone can purchase an audio/CD/DVD of any sermon within minutes of its being delivered. There is no %u2018gotcha%u2019 here; all sermons have been available for public purchase for at least the past 15 years. https://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm?action=catbrowse&catid=40 (if the link doesn%u2019t work go to the site www.tucc.org then click on the book store and go down to worship services) This should give you a better idea of what Obama meant when he said he had not consistently heard those types of statements coming from their Senior Pastor.
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:38 PM PDT
This leads me to my next point "How could Obama know about several minutes of rhetoric over hundreds or thousands of hours of Sunday sermons at TUCC?%u201D The answer is: TUCC has approx. 10 ministers; The ministers rotate; sometimes there is an out of town guest minister preaching; The Church has three services every Sunday, 7:30am, 11:00am and 6:00pm; Every service even on the same day has a different sermon; Some Sundays the minister who preached at 7:30am may or may not preach at 11:00am or 6:00pm; Obama%u2019s schedule may cause him to catch a service as he can, 7:30am one Sunday and at 6:00pm the next; Obama works in Washington DC the church is in Chicago; Each sermon is a 1.5-2 hour sermon not to mention announcements and the choir; With years of sermons a few minutes out of thousands of hours really don''t add up to very much.

We all know someone very close to us who has made statements we don%u2019t agree with; do we cut them off as if they never existed? No, we take the good with the bad because there is a redemptive value intertwined (somewhere) in that friendship/relationship; especially, when that outspoken person is the one who led you to Christ. You never ever forget how you came to CHRIST!
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by msdmo March 15, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
Should Obama be chastised for words spoken by TUCC''s Senior Pastor - NO! This is a mega church and they have many pastors. TUCC is not Rev. Wright''s church; the church belongs to the congregation and is run by a board of individuals who represent the congregation. Rev. Wright does not own the church nor does he control the church. Rev. Wright was appointed as Pastor and has been credited with growing the church to a membership of 6,000 to 8,000 persons.

For those who were so easily manipulated by this diversion - always remember you have access to the most effective research tool ever invented. There is enough out there to help you make an informed decision.

Martin Luther King Jr. said that 11:00 on Sunday morning is "the most segregated hour in America."
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by hillary4us March 15, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
msdmo-SIX CONSEQUITIVE POSTS DEFENDING OBAMA AND PASTOR WRIGHT DID NOTHING TO GET TO THE CORE ISSUES OF THESE RANTINGS OF HATE AND RACISM! DID YOU NOT NOTICE IN THE VIDEOS THE CONGREGATES JUMPING AND SHOUTING AND AGREEING WITH THESE HATE FILLED SPEWS? DON''T BELIEVE FOR ONE MINUTE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE STUPID! ANYONE WHO ATTENDS A CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS CERTAINLY KNOWS THE KINDS OF MESSAGES THAT COME OUT OF THAT CHURCH. JUST READ THE STATEMENT OF FAITH OF TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST! ****** AMERICA??? TRY TO DEFEND THAT COMMENT! IF THERE IS RACISM IN AMERICA, THE LEADERSHIP OF THAT RACISM IS TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST AND IT''S HERO LOUIS FARRAKHAN! PLEASE DON''T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE! TO QUOTE MY DEAR GRANDADDY, "IF YOU CAN''T DAZZLE THEM WITH DIAMONDS THEN BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHET". AND THIS STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!
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by informedmo March 15, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
Are you crazy? Stop drinking the Obama Kool Aid and face the fact that Obama, Jeremiah Wright and Nat Turner all want to destroy white America.

Obama played on the guilt of white liberals to put forth his racially divisive plans into place.

We are who we associate. Farrakhan? Wright?

There are no questions about Obama''s anger over how his Mother was shunned by whites for her marriages to two black man.

He is avenging her life through this race.

Wake up America.
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by voteonpaper March 15, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
Over the years, friends, co-workers, and family members have shared with me their distress over a certain religious leader or another on a local level. It''s amazing HOW MANY religious leaders have "lost their way". (Is it because they are human?) In many of these cases, the religious leaders have become distracted with personal issues and haven''t the tools to cope with the situation they find themselves in. It''s strange, isn''t it? We entrust educated leaders with our spiritual guidance, and sometimes those leaders forget their training.

If you had a really crappy day, week, or a severe personal struggle and mouthed off to everyone in your family, they have every reason to set you right, but they shouldn''t disown you. Instead, they should reach out and do everything they can to uncover the root of your difficulties. Good physical care comes from treating the source, not the symptoms. The same applies to our spiritual health. If there is a problem, we must be diligent in our efforts to offer love to the one who is hurting.

I''m sure the pastor at the United Church of Christ in Chicago is a beloved person. At his hour of need, I would expect that his congregation would want to help him rather than toss him out. I would hope my family, friends, and community of faith would do the same for me.

Wishing you a brand new day...
Bobbie Sue
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by iamthequeen- March 15, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
And this is the great uniter? Yes we can - promote racism! Yes we can - pledge allegiance to Africa! Yes we can - elevate the blacks at the expense of all else! Yes we can - intimidate the media! Yes we can - do as we say not as we do! Yes we can - force Ferraro out but keep Wright in! Obama is a joke and those so-called highly educated whites and Independents will live to regret their support of this hypocrite.
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by iamthequeen- March 15, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
There should be a constitutional amendment that says not only do you need to be born in America to be president but your parents should be too. Obama is too tied to his father''s African roots as evidenced by his church association. How can you be president of the US when your allegiance is to another country. We can''t afford another presidency that is focused in another country with so much attention needed on the problems here.
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by iamthequeen- March 15, 2008 6:25 PM PDT
Why can''t blacks like Wright INSPIRE his parishioners to be better individuals as the bible instructs rather than DENOUNCE those that had NOTHING to do with their problems. Did Jesus espouse these sentiments? No, these sound like the radical rants of the jihad terrorists. I can''t believe Obama hasn''t been affected by 20 years of these impassioned "sermons".
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by iamthequeen- March 15, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
So it''s the economy stupid? And I guess Obama will be helping all the white folks keep their houses from foreclosure. WRONG! He and his buddy, Oprah, will be directing tax dollars to all the poor blacks that have been maligned by slavery in addition to helping all the poor AIDS victims in his father''s country of Africa. Oh yes, Obama heard and learned from Rev Wright rantings and this country is toast if he is elected.
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by hhkeller March 15, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
It''s all scripted folks.
Politicians including Obama are like bad actors. His PR David Axelrod tells Obama what to do or say next.
90 % if what Obama says us bull.
He joined his church to get a politcal base in Chicago then repudiates his mentor when it looks like it might effect his national politics.
Just another politician who will do whats expediant.
It''s all scripted folks.
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by hhkeller March 15, 2008 7:17 PM PDT
It''s all scripted folks.
Politicians including Obama are like bad actors. His PR David Axelrod tells Obama what to do or say next.
90 % if what Obama says us bull.
He joined his church%
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by crossjr1 March 15, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
It''s amazing that some of these bloggers are questioning Obama''s credibility because he said he didn''t know about his retired pastor''s comments. After a year of watching him campaign, if those who feel this way do not want to vote for him for President, then you problably never believed in change in the first place. You were desperately looking for a way to vote for politics as usual. You would rather vote for someone who exaggerates their so-called commander-in-chief experience. You would rather vote for someone who injects racism into the campaign race because it''s a quick way to rally narrow minded individuals who are frightened by change. You would rather for someone who would require you to disclose your tax returns but will not do the same for you. You would rather vote for someone who''s nomination depends on our racial divide. You would rather vote for someone who wants to make history for their own sake instead of for the people''s. You would rather vote for someone who would rather work as a corporate lawyer for Walmart than a civil servant. Please don''t be afraid of change because HRC is not the answer. She''s not the solution. She''s the problem, and deep down inside, you know this is true. OBAMA 08 It''s change, we can believe in.
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by whocarestoyo March 15, 2008 7:56 PM PDT
It is extremely difficult to believe that person like Sen. Obama who is very intelligent, highly educated and running for the highest office in world - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn''t judge his pastor for 20 (twenty) years, considered him has his mentor, someone who married him and his wife and baptized his daughters, privately prayed before announcing candidacy, was almost like a father. My wife and I supported Sen. Obama and now we''re really really really disappointed by his judgment, we''ve lost our faith in any candidate.
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by whocarestoyo March 15, 2008 7:58 PM PDT
It is extremely difficult to believe that person like Sen. Obama who is very intelligent, highly educated and running for the highest office in world - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn''t judge his pastor for 20 (twenty) years, considered him has his mentor, someone who married him and his wife and baptized his daughters, privately prayed before announcing candidacy, was almost like a father. My wife and I supported Sen. Obama and now we''re really really really disappointed by his judgment, we''ve lost our faith in any candidate.
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by blkpresident March 15, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
Rev. Wright isn''t running for president. We have only three choices. One makes sense. And the other two are either way too OLD or a housewife pretending to be presidential material. Lost your apron, Hillary? Need a nap OLD man?
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by seanwhit March 15, 2008 9:35 PM PDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

Please watch the above video I came across regarding the relationship of the Clinton''s with Peter Paul and help me understand how this story can be so silent when a non-story like Rezko is covered daily.
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by obamalies March 15, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
Barack, you%u2019ve been caught riding dirty!

Obama says one thing and believes another. His vision of healing is a vision of division. It is inconceivable; that over 20 years time Obama has never sat thru a sermon when his pastor said such inflammatory statements.

If my pastor or rabbi were to have made one comment in such a similar fashion, I would no longer be affiliated with that congregation end of story.

The Sunday after 9/11, Barack Hussein Obama sat in the pews while his pastor spewed that filth about our country.

I %u201Chope%u201D, Michelle Obama can be proud now; she and her husband have supported a racist, anti-Semite, and anti-American man%u2019s vision. It is now easier to see the parallels of Michelle''s comments with the mentality of Pastor Wright''s.

Barack your brood can roost in Chicago.
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by jason_randon March 15, 2008 9:58 PM PDT
%u201CBarack Obama campaigns as a uniter. He chose to be an active member of this church for over 20 years. Moreover, he chose Reverend Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual mentor. In addition, Obama appointed the reverend to the campaign position of National Leader Of African American Spiritual Issues. The odds are overwhelming that over the past 20 years the reverend preached sermons similar to the numerous ones now available on DVD. The congregants appeared to be in resounding agreement with the racist, hateful, divisive words in the recently publicized sermons. Therefore, if Barack Obama is truly a uniter, and if he has good judgment, then he should have left this church 19 years and 364 days ago. Anything now is too little too late. Since Obama chose not to vote with this feet to leave the hateful church, then voters need to vote with our vote and remove him from the presidential race once and for all. I do not love either Hillary Clinton or John McCain. But I would gladly vote for either of them rather than vote for a man who claims to be a uniter while he continues to attend a racist, hateful, bigoted church. P.S. MSNBC, CBS, CNN, NPR need to get on the ball and start covering this story full on just like they so gladly cover Ms Ferraros'''' comments and the Haggee / McCain issue%u201D.

Plrdar

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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 10:20 PM PDT
The Republicans will indeed have a field day with the video footage of Rev. Wright. The votes the Deomcrats need to win the 2008 election include, to a large extent, on brining the "Reagan democrats" back into the Democratic fold. This revelation, i.e., Obama''s 20 years association with a this pastor and his church, will be used, most effectively I suspect, by the Republicans in never ending television ads, to alarm these "Reagan Democrats" . . . in short, if Obama is the Democratic nominee. . . John McCain will be our next President. . . you can take it to the bank.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
"whocaressteyo" I concur with your post. . . I was an Obama supporter until this story was revealed . . . and it has shocked me. Obama can''t be allowed to distance himself from his mentor when it becomes expedient. He certainly knew of Wright''s political views for many years (despite his preposterous assertions to the contrary) and should have distanced himself long ago.
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by vincan-2009 March 15, 2008 10:47 PM PDT
Thanks so much all you McCain and Clinton supporters for your words of evil toward Obama. First he is a muslim, then his pastor said something that the press and republicans don''t like, now you think it is the nail in the coffin. Not so. As small as your tiny brains are, the truth is that Obama is not muslim, is christian and is going to be the next president of the U.S. in spite of backstabbing liars who want war mongering McCain to continue Bush''s years with more of the same. The same that we can''t afford because the country is in dire condition.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 10:51 PM PDT
Vincam . . . I, like you, want a Democrat in White House. Can Obama win it in light of these revelations? Ask yourself that question and don''t villify those who ask the question.
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by vincan-2009 March 15, 2008 10:54 PM PDT
When several white pastors said much the same thing after 9/11 you didn''t jump up and down about it. It was a tiny mention in the news about certain ministers saying it was God''s punishment for abortion and ***.
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by vincan-2009 March 15, 2008 10:57 PM PDT
media law

Making a mountain out of a mole hill is the issue here. If you don''t support Obama that is fine with me. Just don''t think for me.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
we live in a biased society . . . i agree with you on what you say. . but let''s move on to reality of election 2008. . . do you truly believe, after the Republican smear machine, uses the videos of Rev. Wright. . do you really think Obama will get the white, lunch pail, blue collar vote needed to win? The answer is no he won''t. That is my sole point.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 11:05 PM PDT
if he can win those votes. . god bless him . . i simply fear he will not give the incendiary remarks of his pastor. My view is, of course, inconsequential, and I mean no offense to any Obama supporters.
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by sumac61 March 15, 2008 11:36 PM PDT
Case closed: a note on Rezko controversy that might not be aired. 92 minutes Obama spent on Friday answering questions about Rezko


"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama waited 16 months to attempt the exorcism. But when he finally sat down with the Tribune editorial board Friday, Obama offered a lengthy and, to us, plausible explanation for the presence of now-indicted businessman Tony Rezko in his personal and political lives.

The most remarkable facet of Obama''s 92-minute discussion was that, at the outset, he pledged to answer every question the three dozen Tribune journalists crammed into the room would put to him. And he did....

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict."
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
Case closed? I live in Chicago . . and I was a donor to Obama''s campaign . . if you think it''s case closed with the rest of the country, that might be a bit presumptuous. i''ll say this one more time . . his 20 year connection to an extremist church will lose him the election of he is the nominee . . . unfortunately, religion is playing more, not less, of a role in politics since 1789, and he will be skewered by the Republican machine. . . and, be assured, enough voters will listen to make that the difference in the outcome.
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by debunker-2009 March 15, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
Are we to believe Rev. Wright only spoke this way when Obama wasn''t attending church? In 20 years Obama never heard about these controversial "mentoring" points from either Wright or other church members or Obama''s staff? I find his response to these comments appalling. A grand attempt at illusion (such as a magician''s trick)and dillusion. His flowery, beside the point remarks should make the media and his supporters angry as they are being used as pawns. He "will not repudiate the man" and has said nothing about leaving this church or Rev. Wright''s spiritual council. There''s an answer I would like to hear from him. But, we didn''t. He''s trying to cover his a__ and election. Another example of his poor judgment. This would be change I can''t believe in!
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by kmccliment March 15, 2008 11:48 PM PDT
Vincan, Obama will not be President of anyhting but the local Rotary. He is a racially bigoted liar.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 11:51 PM PDT
agree with you, "debunker" . . a man of his stature can''t repudiate his 20 year mentor when the dirty laundry comes out. I want a Democrat in White House, this country needs it, in my opinion, but he''s not gonna get us there with this stuff now in public domain.
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by emsupset March 15, 2008 11:55 PM PDT
Dear UCC Church Officers:
It is difficult to see how a Harvard Grad "didn''t know"? !
But let''s forget Obama''s comments on whether or not he knew for a second. He is toast. Had my vote. Lost my vote.

For UCC to defend Pastor Wright''s comments is outrageous as the racist comments the Pastor has made. Not once. Not twice%u2026who knows how many times%u2026so many examples on You Tube alone. The Pastor''s comments are very offensive, divisive and sickening and undermine any of the good works he or his congregation have done.

Please explain to me how your church can support this Pastor and his congregation for giving a lifetime achievement award to Farrakhan and the Pastor''s highly inflamatory racist remarks?
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by sumac61 March 15, 2008 11:56 PM PDT
No way do I believe you contributed to his campaign....

You''re no doubt a Republican troll tyring to disguise your distaste for Obama with this bogus "more in sorrow than in anger" ***.
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by medialaw-2009 March 15, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
I''m a Republican mole? for reminding you, and others, that Obama''s being a member, and defender, of an extremist church could cost the Dem party the election, and suggesting he may not bring us victory in november? perhaps it is political naivitees, such as you, that will again cost the Dems the Presidency.
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by kmccliment March 16, 2008 12:00 AM PDT
BLKPRESIDENT,

So you saying that dont pick Mccain because of his age, dont pick Clinton because she a woman. Pick Obama - proven in the past 7 days to be tied spiritually to a racially bigoted church. You must be a member of this church. Because the first statement is racist.
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by sumac61 March 16, 2008 12:02 AM PDT
and the nine naive delegates who switched to Obama today...

"Barack Obama Picks Up 9 Delegates in Iowa Thanks to Those Who Switched From John Edwards"

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by kmccliment March 16, 2008 12:07 AM PDT
crossjr1 - You would rather vote for someone who would rather work as a corporate lawyer for Walmart than a civil servant....
Enlighten me on Michele Obama''s corporate position with the non-profit hospital. What are her credentials? Civil Servant? He''s a politician, everyone knows that a politician serves he, his family and friends first. Believe me his "civil service" is not being done from the goodness of his heart. Its greed. He''ll write 6 more books in the next 4 years. All telling how the white man stole the election and now the country will not change. He''s racist, he''s a bigot, he''s a liar and he deserves his wife.
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by medialaw-2009 March 16, 2008 12:12 AM PDT
He can pick up all the delegates . . "sum" . . . fine by me . . . all I want is a Dem in the White House. If Obama can get the white "reagan democrats" to vote for him, needed to win in November. . . then I will be first to rejoice. . but in my opinion. . . he can''t once those voters are reminded by the Rep. smear machine of what his pastor said. Those voters will run to McCain in droves, and if you don''t understand that, you''ll know I''m right come November. So, either Obama mounts an effective retort to the anticipated TV ads . . which I frankly do not know how he can . . or those key swing voters, that we need, go Republican. I am not a friend of the Republicans, indeed, I despise all policies of Bush . . . but if Dems are to get into the White House, they had better get the votes I''ve referred to. This Wright issue will prevent us from getting there, in my opinion.
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by sumac61 March 16, 2008 12:14 AM PDT
What percentage of you people have actually heard or read more than 6 or 10 seconds of tape? Many of you are probably the same people who bellowed about the way Michael Moore framed Bush, and this despite your all too transparent attempts to portray yourself as disillusioned Obama supporters....
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by sumac61 March 16, 2008 12:24 AM PDT
If you are concerned and not just awash in schadenfreude, I will say this...All successful politicians have a negative counter-narrative that they will have to live with forever:among dems, Clinton early on had Jennifer Flowers and everything else, Bush had ..well, you name it. I don''t know what is going to happen here,but it''s good timing for an early inoculation, and I think it would be premature to count Obama out. He seems awfully good at making lemons out of lemonade.....
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by medialaw-2009 March 16, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
LOL . ."sum" just pack it up . . your boy (who was my boy until these revelations) is close to being toast . . . it''s great that you defend Senator Obama . . that is admirable. . . but perhaps you are innocently ignorant of how politics works in this county. . sorry. I too wish it was a better world of politics, but it ain''t.
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by kmccliment March 16, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
sumac61, And by listening to any more of the Rev. Bigot what will this do for me other than enrage me any more than what I am. Is there something missing?
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by sumac61 March 16, 2008 12:40 AM PDT
Well, I guess now you''re familiar with the discomfort a lot of us had listening to wierdo''s like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell for the last two decades...Every major Republican candidates has been in bed with them..perhaps not literally, at one time or another....
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by medialaw-2009 March 16, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
You are correct in all you say. . but it''s the white, blue collar vote Dems need . . these voters don''t care about the examples you cite. . but you can bet they will care about Wright''s sermons. hypocrisy? yes. Fair?no.
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by sumac61 March 16, 2008 12:44 AM PDT
and medialaw..you disliked Obama just as much last Tuesday morning as you pretend to on Sunday....I know a lot of Obama supporters, and no one is having a reaction in any way smiliar to yours.....
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