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February 18, 2008 2:25 PM

Obama Defends Use of Mass. Gov.'s Words

(CBS)
From CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic:

YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO -- Barack Obama visited a titanium plant in Ohio today where he spoke about job loss and the economy. However, he could not evade questions about alleged plagiarism and his speeches.

“I've written two books, wrote most of my speeches, so I think putting aside the question that you just raised in terms of whether my words are my own, I think that would be carrying it too far,” Obama told a reporter at press conference in Niles.

Regarding the issue of whether or not he lifted words from one of Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s speeches, Obama said the two are friends.

“Deval and I do trade ideas all the time, and he's occasionally used lines of mine and I, at a JJ dinner in Wisconsin, I used some words of his.”

Obama was quick to point fingers at Hillary Clinton, who he says has used his words on the stump.

“When Senator Clinton says its time to turn the page in one of her stump speeches or says she's fired up and ready to go, I don't think that anybody suggests that somehow she’s not focused on the issues that she's focused on.”

Obama is campaigning in Ohio and Wisconsin today, where he has been aggressively pursing the blue collar vote. He has been touting his own economic policy and criticizing Clinton for her support of NAFTA and permanent trade relations with China.

“Now the years after her husband signed NAFTA, Senator Clinton touted the free trade agreement as First Lady and called it a victory in her book. She also supported permanent trade with China when she was running for the Senate,” Obama argued.

“Now that she is running for president she says that we need a time out on trade. No one knows exactly when this time out will end, may be after the election.”

Obama also spoke about his meeting with John Edwards yesterday, which he said was the first time the two met in person since Edwards suspended his campaign. Obama said Edwards is still mulling over the idea of an endorsement and that a decision is not imminent.

However, Obama emphasized that meeting with voters is more valuable to his campaign than are big endorsements.

“Right now what I think is most important is for me to make sure that I'm getting out and talking to voters and we may be getting to the stage of the campaign where endorsements are helpful,” Obama said.

“But what's most helpful ultimately is that people have a sense that I will be fighting for them in the White House, that my priorities are their priorities. If they know that, then endorsements will probably have less sway.”
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by pilgrimsway-2009 February 20, 2008 1:18 AM EST
Man files Federal Lawsuit against Obama regarding GAY bj''''s and drug use claims

A man named Larry Sinclair posted a video to YouTube claiming to have used cocaine and engaged in a gay BJ act with Obama when Obama was a state legislator in 1999.

In the video, Sinclair claims he and Obama met on two separate occasions, that Obama used crack cocaine and that Sinclair performed oral BJ on Obama both evenings.

Now Obama and company are quickly trying to quiet this man, but Sinclair has filed a federal lawsuit. Sinclair filed suit against Obama and his campaign guru David Axelrod in Minnesota district court for allegedly attempting to abridge Sinclair''''s right to free speech, and for waging an intimidation campaign against him.

check out the video on youtube for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=sVeFVtcdSY

Plaintiff: Larry Sinclair
Defendant: Barack Obama, David Axelrod and Democratic National Committee

Case Number: 0:2008cv00360
Filed: February 11, 2008

Court: Minnesota District Court
Office: DMN Office [ Court Info ]
County: St. Louis



http://obamawho.wordpress.com/20
08/02/16/obama-faces-lawsuit/
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by pilgrimsway-2009 February 20, 2008 1:14 AM EST
Move over Martin Luther King Jr! Obama is here to replace your dream! Maybe if you were alive you could look up to Him as your mentor! In any case you would carry Obamas luggage for His dream not your dream!
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by tbweb February 20, 2008 1:00 AM EST
Posted by libra127 at 01:43 PM : Feb 19, 2008,,,

I don''t support Obama but I must admit I find myself defending him a lot and I think its because I just want to see a clean campaign! There were also several occasions when I supported Clinton when I thought she was unfairly treated, I almost feel like I''m playing the role of campaign referee and I like it! Look, Obama said he should have referenced his source, said it was a mistake and took the hit! The Voters in Wisconsin obviously forgave him and as a result Clinton has just lost her 9th State in a row! So its all academic as they say, Hillary needs to score points on the issues, no side shows!
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by libra127 February 19, 2008 4:43 PM EST
"Her assertion that using words WITH permission is "plagiarism" is baloney."
Posted by alicethebat at 07:32 AM : Feb 19, 2008

When the accusation was made, it wasn''t known that Patrick had given Obama "permission", so your charge of baloney is....baloney. Nonetheless, plagerism is not an issue of permission. If you are using someone else''s text, you need to use quotes and reference the author. Anything else is pretending the words are your own. This doesn''t apply when you are using cliches (like "let''s turn the page" or "yes we can"), which is what Obama nonsensically accused Hillary of doing.
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by alicethebat February 19, 2008 10:32 AM EST
As a voter in Clinton''s key demographic group (middle-aged females), I''ve been a supporter of her campaign until quite recently.

However, I''ve become very saddened by petty incidents like this and the earlier missteps by Bill.

Her assertion that using words WITH permission is "plagiarism" is baloney. Even more saddening is her seemingly genuine belief that someone can''t be inspirational and practical at the same time.

Six months ago, the press was criticizing Obama for being too dry, too pedantic and too focused on often-unpopular, detail-oriented plans.

I don''t hear that criticism much anymore -- it''s been replaced by swiftboating from the candidate that I formerly loved -- but the plans are still there, and they''re still just as detailed, if anyone cares to notice.

At this point, I wholeheartedly support Barack Obama for president. He is inspirational, unifying, honest and meticulous. I wish him the best of luck.
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by alicethebat February 19, 2008 10:29 AM EST
As a voter in Clinton''s key demographic group (middle-aged females), I''ve been a supporter of her campaign until quite recently.

However, I''ve become very saddened by petty incidents like this and the earlier missteps by Bill.

Her assertion that using words WITH permission is "plagiarism" is baloney. Even more saddening is her seemingly genuine belief that someone can''t be inspirational and practical at the same time.

Six months ago, the press was criticizing Obama for being too dry, too pedantic and too focused on often-unpopular, detail-oriented plans.

I don''t hear that criticism much anymore -- it''s been replaced by swiftboating from the candidate that I formerly loved -- but the plans are still there, and they''re still just as detailed, if anyone cares to notice.

At this point, I wholeheartedly support Barack Obama for president. He is inspirational, unifying, honest and meticulous. I wish him the best of luck.
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by jaykay221 February 19, 2008 8:14 AM EST
"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America," Mrs Clinton, in a speech to a Hispanic group this week.

"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America,", Bill Clinton - 20 January 1993.
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by jaykay221 February 19, 2008 8:11 AM EST
"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America," Mrs Clinton, in a speech to a Hispanic group this week.

"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America,", Bill Clinton - 20 January 1993.
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by samthetvcat February 19, 2008 4:08 AM EST
"You campaign in poetry. You govern in prose."
%u2014Mario Cuomo, New Republic, 1985

http://www.wordspy.com/waw/20021009113332.asp

Ah ha ha - great find dinslc!
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by dinslc February 19, 2008 3:55 AM EST
In New Hampshire, Hillary defended her earnest speaking style by saying (in an indirect reference to Mr. Obama) "you campaign in poetry, you govern in prose."

SHE plagiarized.

That particular political maxim was first uttered in a 1985 speech at Yale University, by Mr. Cuomo.
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by tulwar-2009 February 19, 2008 3:45 AM EST
Slow news day?
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by tyrno February 19, 2008 3:44 AM EST
After reading some of these comments, I am amazed. People are pathetic. Obama used three or four lines of another man''s speech. Not to mention, this other man was his friend and suggested that Obama use it to reassure listners that his speeches were more than "just words" (Obama, Feb 2009).

Im going to use a quote that I heard from a friend, who heard from another friend, who heard from his mom, who heard... wait. Im not giving credit. Im just going to use this quote and not give anyone credit.

"Democracy sounds like a great idea until you meet the people voting."

People grow up and find something else to complain about.
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by samthetvcat February 19, 2008 3:32 AM EST
PS All the links can be found with a search engine of "Barbara Feinman It Takes a Village"
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by samthetvcat February 19, 2008 3:31 AM EST
pt 2

Hillary''s refusal to acknowledge the use of ghost-writers for It Takes a Village:

During her promotional tour for the book, Clinton said, "I actually wrote the book ... I had to write my own book because I want to stand by every word." Clinton stated that Feinman assisted in interviews and did some editorial drafting of "connecting paragraphs", while Clinton herself wrote the final manuscript in longhand."
________

Given that the cornerstone of Hillary''s campaign is her ''passion'' for advocacy of children, and given that she has failed to release records of her time in the White House which would make clear the true level of her contributions to accomplishments, is Hillary really in the position to be throwing words like ''plagiarism'' at Barack in an attempt to bring into question his integrity and ability to lead?
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by samthetvcat February 19, 2008 3:26 AM EST
Man, if you''re going to throw stones in the age of the internet you better d@mn well sure you are living in a glass house.

Hillary''s Fails to Give Credit to Ghost-Writer for It Takes A Village:

Even though since publication, Hillary Clinton has claimed to have written the tome herself, the actual writer begs to differ. In a Sept. 2002 piece that appears on the website for The Association of Writers & Writing Programs (AWP), Barbara Feinman Todd told the odd story of Hillary''s blatant theft of credit due Feinman for her work on It takes a Village:

"The problem came when Mrs. Clinton decided, for reasons still a mystery to me, not to acknowledge my help, or that of anyone else, by name. Because the White House had issued a press release early on in the process stating that I had been hired to "help prepare the manuscript," when it was finished and there was no mention of me in the acknowledgments, the anti-Clinton forces went to town. The irony was that by not acknowledging me, rather than diminishing my role, she unwittingly elevated me to a sort of literary Joan of Arc.

Pundits had a field day opining how much of the book she had actually written. The truth was much more prosaic: Like any first lady, Mrs. Clinton had an extremely hectic schedule and writing a book without assistance would have been logistically impossible.
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by paris1969 February 19, 2008 3:21 AM EST
I never expected Obama to be a JFK ... so this is not a problem for me.

Hillary ''08
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by l8c6 February 19, 2008 3:11 AM EST
cecil4obama

You will see and you will learn. You listen to this cr*ap and you get caught up in it. A young generation might likely embark on a journey of learning at the school of hard knocks. My parents were children during the great republican depression. Their parents, my grandparents were adults who saw an economy collapse. The hate for Hillary is deplorable considering that it''s the hate the right wing has slung at her for several years. It won''t go unaccounted for. It will be bad, it really will but as right wing sociopath Jack Abramhoff said, stupid people deserve to lose. Perhaps he was right.
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by jb4peace February 19, 2008 3:09 AM EST
Obama''s defense for obvious plagiarism is that Hillary uses HIS lines when she''s speaking. However, cliches like "fired up and ready to go" are just that. Obama doesn''t have a copyright on them.

On the other hand, Obama boasts about being the inspirational orator able to move people into actions that would never occur to them on their own. Then we find when he speaks about the importance of words, the words are not his. That''s not only dishonest, it''s stupid. And this is the guy who says he is not the typical politician. I haven''t seen anything to distinguish him and now his ONE talent is suspect. And if you''ve watched the video of Governor Patrick deliver the same speech in 2006, Obama''s version is a poor cover.
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by l8c6 February 19, 2008 3:07 AM EST
torch1000us1

Nope, not gonna happen like this. This isn''t a ball game. The lefties are going down in flames. The real attacks are months off.

McCain should win. The GOP should take the economic hits. The Bush regime can only keeps it''s finger in the dam for so long. Let the GOP suffer the economic storm and let the lefty ingrates go to the school of hard knocks and learn about hard times. Something their great, great grandparents might have been able to tell them about if they''d known them.
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by cecil4obama February 19, 2008 3:03 AM EST
Borrowing rhetoric is a real no-no

From an online article dated in Jan. 2008.

I thought of this after seeing that Hillary Clinton is apparently using some familiar phrases, usually associated with one of her rivals.

%u201CWe are fired up and we are ready to go because we know America is ready for change and the process starts right here in Iowa.%u201D

In Davenport, Iowa, those words escaped the barriers of a tired Hillary Clinton%u2019s teeth. Without irony.

That phrase is associated with Barack Obama. Obama borrows it from a woman in South Carolina who helped remind him what was important in life. It%u2019s the signature, in fact, of Obama%u2019s close.

Ouch. That%u2019s pretty bad.

*Clinton Iowa radio ad has voter voice saying she is the candidate of %u2018hope.%u2019%u201D

* On Hardball, Clinton%u2019s communication director said Iowans are looking %u201Cunder the hood and kickin the tires,%u201D a line Obama has been using for quite a while.

*In Philadelphia in October, Clinton said, %u201CWe%u2019ve got to turn the page on George Bush and *** Cheney%u201D %u2014 a line straight out of Obama%u2019s stump speech.

Plus today on national news they showed Hillary Clinton Borrowing part of a speech her husband gave when he was campaigning.
Lots more of the above.
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Obama 08
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