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BOB SCHIEFFER: --we had conservative, Democrats and liberal Republicans. And then we hae conservative Republicans--
DAVID CORN: There are still more--
BOB SCHIEFFER: --and-- and liberal democrats.
DAVID CORN: In Congress I think there are far more conservative Democrats. You have the whole blue dog coalition than there are liberal Republicans--
JOHN DICKERSON: But it's time now.
BAY BUCHANAN: Not so many anymore.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Not so much anymore.
DAVID CORN: No, no, you know, the trend line is right.
JOHN DICKERSON: Right. But I think-- you know, I would argue-- and Norman--
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: Right.
DAVID CORN: --Ornstein and Thomas Mann wrote a whole book about this, they would argue that they think that the Republican Party has gotten more to the right than the Democratic Party has been to the left. And it's led to, you know, the inability to have bipartisan compromises.
JOHN DICKERSON: In context there is no politician for a person in the middle to go--
DAVID CORN: Right.
JOHN DICKERSON: --latch on to. There's no--
FRANK LUNTZ: Yes.
JOHN DICKERSON: --the people don't exist to go-- to go rally upon.
BOB SCHIEFFER: What's your thought, Frank?
FRANK LUNTZ: And it's also ninety-seven to ninety-eight percent of all ads are now negative.
BAY BUCHANAN: Mm-Hm.
FRANK LUNTZ: And so all you are told is why your opponent is a fool, is incompetent, or worse yet, a liar. And so how are you supposed to then function as a democracy when ninety-seven percent of it-- and it's awful and it works.
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: But, Bob, you-- you remember--
BAY BUCHANAN: I disagree on-- one-- one point here. I think there's no question I was in the Reagan campaign, and it was nasty.
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: Yeah.
BAY BUCHANAN: Primary was nasty. General election was nasty. I mean it couldn't be any-- any uglier description of-- of the man who eventually won. But because of his personality, he was the kind of guy that just bring you on over, bring tip over, let's have a drink, have some laughs. And he was able to bring not only the country together but Democrats and Republicans and he forced solutions. He just forced it through. And I think that that's what we need, not a-- we need a leader who will bring the country together and Barack Obama has failed, he has failed in that town.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Katrina?
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: I mean I-- Bob, you've lived politics for many years. Let's not get nostalgic about how ugly it's gotten. We have seen the money pour in which has amped up the ugliness of these ads. But David's right, we have one party which is essentially an extremist party. The Democratic Party remains a coalition party in many ways.
BAY BUCHANAN: Oh, my gosh.
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: No. And-- and I do think President Obama and we've had our disagreements about President Obama's policies, did come to this city really intent on trying to find compromise. And what did he find Senator DeMint, Senator McConnell who said their first priority was to take them down. And it was the first major piece of social legislation Obamacare was which passed, correct me if I'm wrong, in contemporary modern history whether-- without a single opposition party vote. So I think we're looking at a re-- redistricting the flood of money posted Citizens United, demographic shifts and I would like to see a real Republican Party but we don't have one at the moment. We have an extremist Republican Party. There are-- the moderate Republicans are an extinct breed and I think that is dangerous and unhealthy for our country.
BAY BUCHANAN: Well, it's interesting that you're concerned about the Republican Party. I think that's very, very engaging of you, but you know what, this Republican Party is as strong and as energetic and as excited about guiding and directing this country as I have ever seen it in twenty years. The energy out there is-- is similar to what we had with Reagan. There is no question it's more conservative.
DAVID CORN: What? I was at the convention.
BAY BUCHANAN: I was at that convention. It was amazing.
DAVID CORN: I didn't see anything that is resembling the type of energy, grassroots?