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November 10, 2009 12:01 AM

Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

(AP / CBS)
In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site "not to disclose the existence of this request" unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department's subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward "promoting social and economic justice" and "social change.")

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.

"I didn't think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention," Clair said in a telephone interview with CBSNews.com on Monday. After talking to other Indymedia volunteers, Clair ended up calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which represented her at no cost.

Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines, subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special treatment. One portion of the guidelines, for instance, says that "no subpoena may be issued to any member of the news media" without "the express authorization of the attorney general" – that would be current attorney general Eric Holder – and subpoenas should be "directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter."

Still unclear is what criminal investigation U.S. Attorney Morrison was pursuing. Last Friday, a spokeswoman initially promised a response, but Morrison sent e-mail on Monday evening saying: "We have no comment." The Justice Department in Washington, D.C. also declined to respond.

Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, replied to the Justice Department on behalf of his client in a February 2009 letter (PDF) outlining what he described as a series of problems with the subpoena, including that it was not personally served, that a judge-issued court order would be required for the full logs, and that Indymedia did not store logs in the first place.

Morrison replied in a one-sentence letter saying the subpoena had been withdrawn. Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison's office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena -- claiming it "may endanger someone's health" and would have a "human cost."

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn't stand up in court: "If you get a subpoena and you're a journalist, they can't gag you."

Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not unprecedented. "I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter's privilege says, 'Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general's office'... I'm willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking."

Making this investigation more mysterious is that Indymedia.us is an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published somewhere else first, and there's no hint about what sparked the criminal probe. Clair, the system administrator, says that no IP (Internet Protocol) addresses are recorded for Indymedia.us, and non-IP address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.

EFF's Bankston wrote a second letter to the government saying that, if it needed to muzzle Indymedia, it should apply for a gag order under the section of federal law that clearly permits such an order to be issued. Bankston's plan: To challenge that law on First Amendment grounds.

But the Justice Department never replied. "This is the first time we've seen them try to get the IP address of everyone who visited a particular site," Bankston said. "That it was a news organization was an additional troubling fact that implicates First Amendment rights."

This is not, however, the first time that the Feds have focused on Indymedia -- a Web site whose authors sometimes blur the line between journalism, advocacy, and on-the-streets activism. In 2004, the Justice Department sent a grand jury subpoena asking for information about who posted lists of Republican delegates while urging they be given an unwelcome reception at the party's convention in New York City that year. A Indymedia hosting service in Texas once received a subpoena asking for server logs in relation to an investigation of an attempted murder in Italy.

Bankston has written a longer description of the exchange of letters with the Justice Department, which he hopes will raise awareness of how others should respond to similar legal demands for Web logs, customer records, and compulsory silence. "Our fear is that this kind of bogus gag order is much more common than one would hope, considering they're legally baseless," Bankston says. "We're telling this story in hopes that more providers will press back and go public when the government demands their silence."

Update 1:59pm E.T.: A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review. If that's correct, it suggests that U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations requiring the "express authorization of the attorney general" for media subpoenas -- and it means that neither Attorney General Eric Holder nor Acting Attorney General Mark Filip were involved. I wouldn't be surprised to see an internal investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility; my source would not confirm or deny that.

Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBSNews.com. He can be reached at declan@cbsnews.com and can be followed on Twitter as declanm. You can bookmark Declan's Taking Liberties site here, or subscribe to the RSS feed.
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by November 20, 2009 5:00 AM EST
The article states: "U.S. attorneys in Morrison's office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena -- claiming it "may endanger someone's health" and would have a "human cost."

This is intimidation, pure and simple. They're acting like gangsters! Why hasn't there been more attention paid to this part of the incident? Who was in danger and why? These attorneys are federal employees that are apparently able to behave like this without any consequences. No, I'm not naive enough to be shocked or surprised, just trying to hang on to enough faith in the Constitution and our legal system to be outraged.
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by jak3488 November 12, 2009 9:12 PM EST
Editor, I have just 1 word for the issued subpoena....NO! Tell them to stick it where thy sun don't shine. OK more than 1
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by AndyMaxo November 12, 2009 5:25 PM EST
The facts keep changing on this story. If we find out that it is indeed true that somebody at the Justice Dept tried to actually do this, then we all need to swing back and say NO!
Nobody should have this level of power and/or authority to get our information based on comments we make in an open discussion forum.
I mean, if some moron decides to come on here and write about how he is going to commit some felony that is one thing. But, just a general discussion of the issues between people, now that is another thing altogether.
It's called "Freedom of Speech" as written right in the Bill of Rights. That has not been amended so far as I know.
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by cockroachcrusher November 12, 2009 3:19 PM EST
You can see that our country was headed for Big Government under Cheney and his crony Bush. Man, never again. The Republican Party has come under the control of extreme right wing Fascists with Conservatives wielding the whips.
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by PatriotBlondie November 12, 2009 3:42 PM EST
If you thought W was for Big Government, you must be completely demoralized at this administration's agenda.
Right winged Fascists? Maybe you need to look at the definition of the word.
by fighting_errorism November 12, 2009 1:38 PM EST
here's another one from may:
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/47141327.html
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by Ms_enza November 12, 2009 1:22 PM EST
The subpoena is dated January 23, 2009... That's 2 days after the innugaration and probably still under the old fart who thought torture was okay. Holder wasn't selected for a couple of weeks...
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by velma179 November 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST
Tim Morrison was appointed to the Southern District of Indiana on April 28,2008... under the Bush Administration and AG Michael Mukasey.
by Ms_enza November 12, 2009 1:10 PM EST
It's ME they want. I just know it! I can't stand this anymore!

Constantly being hounded by the spiked-heel boot of the Washington fascists!

That's it! Enough.

**BANG** uh, moan, DAMN! Missed,.... gurgle, wheeze, cough! cough!

**BANG**


ugh, craappp...

**BANG**

I can't believe this!

DIE YOU STUPID COMPUTER!
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by dragon8me November 12, 2009 8:28 AM EST
This kind of thing is obviously a "fishing trip" by fascist moles seeking info on librals in order to "silence" them.
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by PatriotBlondie November 12, 2009 3:43 PM EST
what a misguided individual you are.
by dragon8me November 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST
Ha!
by berlinfoto-2009 November 12, 2009 7:42 AM EST
Scape Goats, Western society, and eastern society both must have scape goats, when something goes wrong we must have someone to blame. With all of the eves dropping and record keeping, this only makes it easer to select a sacrificial scape goat.
I have for reasons unstated here, been scrutinized every since I was fourteen, or fifteen years old, I was not a juvenile delinquent. I was constantly being judged, and punished covertly by individuals unknown to me.
I was eventually accused, and blamed for things I had nothing to do with. And eventually I did things that I should have not done.
The F.B.I. does indeed constantly search for scape goats, some one to blame when something goes wrong.
All of this surveillance all of this record keeping only makes it easer to select the next scape goat, and it does not make the citizens of the United States any safer of more secure.
The Ideas of the "Sacrificial Scape Goat", the Idea that "We must Destroy in order to rebuild, better and more perfect", are the Ideas that keep mankind from advancing, beyond wars and destruction.
Some of this is explained by Robert Jay Lifton, in his book "THE NAZI DOCTORS", and probably in some of his other fine books, I have read most of them.
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by androidboy November 12, 2009 3:41 AM EST
Over 20 years ago, some guy fell asleep while he was driving a train. He died, I think. So it turns out he's got THC in his system, so he must have been smoking pot when he crashed the train. Never mind that THC stays in your system for a long time, well after the effects of the drug have worn off--that guy was stoned. End of questioning. Pot bad.
This event precipitated a movement to test persons in certain occupations for drug use. It was seen as a necessary invasion of privacy for airline pilots and train engineers to have to pee in a little cup. Of course now you have to pee in a cup for most jobs. Even high school athletes have to submit their urine for scientific analysis.
What does this have to do with this article? 9-11 is the train wreck. Despite all the work done on understanding the events of that day and the motivation behind the attacks our security apparatus continues to go all "cointelpro" on us, the regular citizenry. I guess the message that we should take away from 9-11 is that it could have been prevented it if we didn't have so many rights. The sweet part is, 9-11 was only 8 years ago. (God I hope I got that right!) Wait another twelve years and we'll see where we're at.
A major player will be the guys who make explosive sniffers and x-ray machines. Business, not government, will push this into your home.

This has been a tale of "The Slippery Slope".

The Independent Media Center is as far as I know, not connected with any terrorist organization...unless you count Amy Goodman (lol).
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by mnbrant November 12, 2009 1:08 AM EST
Actually this started 7 months before 9/11 and is through the present day. in 2006 the NSA's budget for keeping everyones phone and email records was 20 billion, now its 49 billion. Pretty soon they will have a record of everyones emails, phone conversations, bank and credit records, etc. This was done in the name of stopping terrorists and, for that, it has been pretty lousy. It will be great to find those people who have been searching the web for porn and for locating dissenters. I am guessing from the way things are going nearly everything will be illegal. This new technology will be great for rounding up enemies of the state and putting them to work in factory camps and plantations for the benefit of the elite. By dissenter I mean those that verbally complain or perhaps send an email or make a phone call complaing about the 90% tax rate they are paying. Right now they have said that the courts can not challenge the Patriot Act for any reason. In phase 2 of the Patriot Act I am sure that congress will not be able to raise a challenge even if they wanted to.
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by MADDAT52 November 12, 2009 3:50 AM EST
This just goes to show both sides of the isle that you should be careful what you ask for. When this originally came up I thought it would be limited to terror suspects but knew that if the white house was turned over that it would result in the hit list. It is my opinion that if the people feel anymore pressure on there liberties it will mean the end of the left wing and the extreme right.
by mnbrant November 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST
Yeah I made three other comments in the news. The best one was in the business section regarding the sustainability of our economy in the short term? What happened to the entire business section??? The other one was about the no evidence child porn case that cost some poor family 250k to defend against. Hmm, that one is gone too. Still got the one with the government going after a news site like they are terrorists and this one up though.
by fighting_errorism November 12, 2009 1:45 PM EST
This started before Bush. The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) was signed into law by Clinton, but just went into full effect in 2006 or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

CALEA was passed in 1994 -- back when a 33.6k modem was still a big deal. These guys were thinking ahead.
by veteran71 November 11, 2009 10:17 PM EST
by pollybmc November 10, 2009 9:53 PM EST

Wow...you ought to read a little closer...this was done by the Obama Administration a couple months after the election. February is on Obama's watch...Or maybe Glenn Beck's book, Arguing With Idiots was written with you in mind. Amazing how many obamabots are on here spreading Alinsky's form of disinformation. We're on to you...why not go to a communist "utopia"...and stop destroying America? You think it works so well? Go, please, go...
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Man,......all that disinformation, Moose Gal talking points, AND referencing the voices in Glenn Becks noggin, all in one feverish, illogical, incoherent paragraph.....you just may have won this years Reich Wingnut Clown Party's First Annual Droolers Award for Spectacular Stupidity in Written Format by an Individual. Don't pop the champagne corks just yet but I'm willing to bet you have a better than average chance......keep those deformed inbred finger/toe/nostril thingies crossed......
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by pollybmc November 12, 2009 12:26 AM EST
Could be that the paragraph you reference was a conversation with someone else on here...so it does sound rather out of context...If you really are a veteran, I thank you for your service.

If the honor you propose to bestow upon me has anything to do with the leftist/socialists/communists making fun of me...BRING IT ON. I would wear it proudly.
by Phxfire November 12, 2009 12:44 AM EST
Aw, gee, sorry to burst the bubble around your head, but the US Attorney in this case was appointed during the Bush administration and it does not appear he followed any Federal Justice Dept. guidelines in issuing the subpoena. My guess is this was not cleared by the Attorney General and I expect to read confirmation of that soon.
by jaustin168 November 11, 2009 6:31 PM EST
Wow..... As a Constitutional Republican, this scares me greatly. Even if Holder knew nothing of this and it falls in the lap of the last administration, we Americans must confront our government before they end all that this nation stands for.
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by saiditbfore November 12, 2009 10:47 AM EST
I'm sorry, you are right here, but a little late, it's already "gone" for all intensive purposes and even what we write here may be used against us in a kangaroo court of their choice. I know it get's it off all of your chests to comment here, but do you really think it will be easy or "not messy" to reverse what's already been established? Just as well to keep your integrity and save what you can-this has all been carefully planned out to the recession. My two bits for all their worth, save your breath in hashing it, those who know what's going on won't bother.
by jdwaymir November 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST
After reading through the comments here its obvious that most people didn't bother reading the whole article. Please note the author's update to the article.
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by kansas1946 November 11, 2009 10:24 PM EST
You are right. I was extremely relieved to read that update.
by Phxfire November 12, 2009 12:46 AM EST
Thank you. the update was missing from my first reading of the story. I'm relieved.
by justdatrooth November 11, 2009 5:22 PM EST
This subpoenaed 1/23/2009 was one of the very first acts by the New Obama administration. The timing and the duplicitous ecrecy with which Obama cloaked this request indicate the immportance he places on invading the privacy of any American citizen he feels may oppose him.

This is instance is but one of thousands of similar incursions undertaken by thhe Obama administration. Remember Obama was a big propoenent of the Patriot Act Reauthorization AND FISA. So who's watching us now? Obama is.
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by Phxfire November 12, 2009 12:48 AM EST
Read the update. The Attorney General was not aware of the subpoena and Morrison (a Bush appointee) did not follow any Justice Dept. rules. From the comments I am reading it appears many missed the author's update.
by Mizar590 November 12, 2009 2:48 PM EST
I totally agree. This was a little exercise in order to see what kind of effect would be created... More to come.
by stillunbanable November 11, 2009 3:40 PM EST
You can be assured that SeeBS would have absolutely no problem handing over visitor logs. Kudos to Indymedia.us. SeeBS obviously doesn't believe in the 1st amendment since the continually delete non abusive comments!
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by Samuel-HiLL November 11, 2009 2:17 PM EST
more fuel for the divide and conquer strategy of the Bilderbeck Group
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by justdatrooth November 11, 2009 5:26 PM EST
Please do tell us who the "Bilderbeck Group" is..... your obviously an expert on them, whoever they are...
by androidboy November 12, 2009 3:44 AM EST
It's the Bilderberg Group. Look 'em up. You've got the internet, right?
Then there's the guys at Bohemian Grove.
It's too surreal to go into here. Besides, they'd just delete the post.
by wyodutch November 11, 2009 12:16 PM EST
The stench of hypocrisy is overpowering.
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When Bush and the GOP toadies in congress were rubberstamping crap like the "patriot act" and the paranoid pinheads in the federal government were trying to sniff everyone's soiled toilet paper... The Republicans blasted the opponents as "soft on terrorism". Now that Tweedledum is using the same tactics... all of a sudden, the country remembers the Bill of Rights.
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Ain't no difference between the twpo parties of thieves and liars... Repoblican and Democrat.
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by aldon61 November 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST
Amen brother, AMEN!
by Phxfire November 12, 2009 12:50 AM EST
This is from the Author. Update 1:59pm E.T.: A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review.
by Theydidwhat November 11, 2009 11:25 AM EST
Although I am a conservative and probably agree with NOTHING on this liberal website, I am united with them against this intrusion! If we don't have privacy to view and comment on what we want to without the government looking into it, what do we have freedom from. This is an issue that both conservatives and liberals should be behind. Freedom of the press, and of privacy within the press is essential to keep the government in check. Fight on Indymedia and let us know where a conservatitve can send a check for you legal battle! I hope now that the Feds don't aske CBS for their list!!!
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by TacitusDominatus November 11, 2009 11:04 AM EST
This is only the tip of the iceberg. What most don't realize is that the government, on any number of ruses, is taking our liberties on a wholesale basis. Threatening ?illegitimate? legal action, such as in this case, they are able to buffalo and scare most into complying. But what should scare us the most is their follow up modus-operandi; that being to threaten anyone should they convey to anyone else that they have been served and did comply. It?s an end-run around both the law and our Constitution. Most of us don?t know our rights. Ergo, we don?t have any rights. So when we read about an instance such as this, the question that should really come to mind is ?How many other unlawful or inappropriate subpoenas were issued and complied with that we didn?t hear about??

In my personal experience, the Justice Department (heretofore titled the Department of Injustice) issued warrants and subpoenas that not only were done so in bad-faith, but with criminal intent. Not for any greater good or good-faith cause mind you, but just to profit and protect a racketeering scheme between themselves (Justice) and Customs. When I became aware of this Racket, the Department of Injustice went into the silent mode; cover-up. Now ask yourselves this: How can agents (DHS) and Justice officials be prosecuting the law and serving us when they are perpetrating crimes and protecting themselves? Quite simply; they can?t! Go to EnemiesinWar.com and read the public indictment I brought and see for yourself the cost of silence.

Look at the usurpations masquerading as law today and see just how far these traitors have gone to serve themselves; at our expense. Patriot Act, GWOT, Warrantless Searches & Seizures, Intense Interrogation (I?ll just call it what it is; TORTURE!), etc. Where?s your freedom now? How safe do you feel now? Are you prepared to stand up and assert your rights yet?

As for myself, I have disavowed federal authority. Because to submit to criminals is to give up your freedom and enslave yourself. This I will never do.

I will not go silently into tyranny.

Brian Kilcullen
EnemiesinWar.com
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by androidboy November 12, 2009 3:48 AM EST
I was watching this old educational film on civics and I heard this doozy.
"The job of the Attorney General is to protect each citizen's constitutional rights."
I laughed out loud, but inside,I wished it were true.
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