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October 16, 2009 3:55 PM

Elder Bush Decries Lack of Civility in Politics

(CBS)
Former President George H.W. Bush told CBS News that President Obama "is entitled to civil treatment and intellectual honesty when it comes to critics."

(at left – Former President George H.W. Bush, Barbara Bush and Peter Maer)

Referring to the tone of national discourse he said, "I don't like it. The cables (TV) have a lot to do with it."

In the radio interview, Mr. Bush said the volume of criticism aimed at him when he was president was not as "day in and day out."

The Republican elder statesman said, "It's not just the right." He complained, "there are plenty of people on the left."

While he said he does not believe in personal name-calling, he singled out MSNBC personalities Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow calling them "sick puppies."

"The way they treat my son and anyone who's opposed to their point of view is just horrible," Mr. Bush said.

"When our son was president they just hammered him mercilessly and I think obscenely a lot of the time and now it's moved to a new president," he added.

With a chuckle, Mr. Bush said his son's critics "weren't singled out as much as they should have been."

He said harsh criticism "should not be par for the course. To the degree it turns off one student or one person from serving that's bad."

Mr. Bush said verbal attacks on Mr. Obama "sometimes crosses the lines of civility." He also said it crosses "party lines and ideological lines."

Mr. Bush does not believe most of the attacks on Mr. Obama are racially motivated. He said, "You might find some racists out there but I don't think the attacks per se have to do that he's an African American."

Hours before hosting Mr. Obama at a volunteerism event on the Texas A & M campus, Mr. Bush said, "People ought to be civil. I worry about yelling at people and this yelling mentality that seems to accompany presidents."

Asked about recent verbal attacks on Mr. Obama, Mr. Bush said some of the national tone has worsened but he said he's reluctant to say the "ugliness" is new. Mr. Bush cited tough criticism of presidents throughout history.

He also noted he has differences with the current president but he would not elaborate.

Mr. Bush also said his own life is "very good, very private."

George H. W. Bush to Texas A&M: Treat Obama Well


(CBS)
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by truthseeker7 October 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
The Bush family is one of if not the worst things to be spawned by this country. GH is a nasty scumbag and GW is like that nasty neighbor kid who tortured animals. They should both be put away. The century of deceit thuggery conducted by their family should be exposed and they should be cleansed from our history. The wives must also be discgusting human beings to have allowed such evil to propogae without drowning their offspring!
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by actornaught October 19, 2009 6:38 PM EDT
Funny as all get out that, at one time, the mouthpiece of the Conservatives, rush limbaugh, spent a number of years referring to the "Dominant Liberal Media". That faded away the "Mainstream Media" moniker, but plenty of fans still see "liberal" because, after all, they can't let it go.

Then Fox has presented itself as the counterpoint to the DLM/MSM. Then we got primetime MSNBC, and it showed what Liberal Media was really like. Or so you would think.

But ultimately, their is no intellectual honesty on the fringe right. The comedian rush and his prankster sidekick beck, just get their fans to Yap whatever crazyast silliness they can punk them into yapping.

So it may never end.

By the way, ever wonder why beck didn't attend the 9/12 silliness? He just wanted to suck people into going, it was just another of his prank...
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by bmmg39 October 20, 2009 2:02 AM EDT
Beck didn't attend 9/12 festivities because he wanted to make sure someone on television would cover it. It's not as though the lame-stream media would treat the events seriously.
by Hosheen October 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
If he really feels that way, he should turn young George W. over his knee and delver a sound spanking. After all, it was this Alpha Hotel and his followers that introduced the "with us or against us" mentality.

"W" is the person most responsible for the reprehensible state of America today. He should be doing hard time in the worst prison we can find anywhere in the world.
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by jamessyl October 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
I have always liked George H.W., even though I think he is something of a space case. He clearly hasn't watched the people he's calling 'sick puppies.' While I do think that Olbermann can be a little over-the-top, Rachel Maddow is a class act. Very possible the classiest in cable news. She does have a point of view, but we all agree that that's okay, don't we? She interviews people with whom she has great differences fairly, and gives them every opportunity to respond. They invariable say that they have been treated fairly. Bush 43 is famous for his rather eccentric remarks, and I guess this is just one more of them, but he owes these two an apology, especially Ms. Maddow!
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by schubaby October 19, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
Regardless of what side we are on, things in America have gotten just down right nasty. I do respect the rights of others to have an opinion that is opposite to mine. May we remind ourselves that we can feel deeply passionate about an issue at opposing ends of the spectrum and "agree to disagree." I miss the days when people could discuss hot topic issues, but never attack the personal character of the one you disagreed with.
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by MPHgrad October 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
Well said schubaby.
by awareadams October 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
Life has its usual ironies; such it is for the "president" who, even more than Nixon, mastered and specialized in playing "The race card". In 1988 he was properly recognized as the "Willie Horton" president. The day after his election in November 1988 his sleezy campaign chief, Jim Baker, scoffed over his dirty politics and smears with the blithe comment, "the election is all over, and its time to forget it. After we pick a winner, we all rally behind him. That's the American Way." These filty republican sleeze and smear artists now practice their hypocracy in words. His son in 2004 put frosting on the "Race Card" cake with the master of filty politics and smears, Karl Rove.
Vanity, vanity, all republican politics is vanity, smear, race-card, and millions of dollars paid for it by drug companies, radical religious freaks, and other moneyed interests who depend on goverment favoritism.
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by jxknowles October 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT
He's making the same point as President Carter, but in different words. I agree the criticisms of W were also vicious at times. Things have gotten out of hand.
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by scubbasteve01 October 19, 2009 1:37 PM EDT
You are so right there is lack of civility in politics and the FOX News Channel used to report on the NEWS.
But now there just a left wing news channel that represents Michael Steele and the GOP. The news is fair and balanced when the commentary and news obviously doesn't show what party it is representing and defending. When it becomes the focus of the news 24 hrs a day you have to sit back and ask yourself.
What really is going on here? After hearing one attack after another just report the news and not make it your own personal media circus.
FAIR AND BALANCED? Fair and balanced is reporting the news not showing a political agenda is being addressed to help out the voters in the other party who came out on the losing end and want somebody else to be their voice of reason to express there mixed up views. Which after Inauguration ' 09 have taken on a very vile and racist point of view that could never have reflected what would have happened to other President's in office. News channels are supposed to report on the news and not take any sides.
Because there was never a Black President in office before who was called out by a Senator who had racist militant ties to the Sons of the Confederacy in politics before. So you know what?
Let's all try to figure all of this out together am I right?
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by MPHgrad October 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
The saddest and honestly, the scariest concern of the vehement attacks on either side is that it may and can incite violence on both small and enormous scales. The Rwandan genocide is a classic example of the power of media (certainly this does not excuse in any shape form or fashion that most egregious of atrocities). The radio stations there promoted the massacre and spread propaganda like wildfires. I support free speech, but some speech arrives at a point where it is no longer protected as it becomes yelling fire in a crowded theater.
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by noloyalisti October 19, 2009 1:19 PM EDT
Yeah, because he is a fat and happy rich freak who wants to keep the status quo. That is a whole lot of us serfs serving the corrupt, filthy rich (like him).

You have to clean up our corrupt, tainted system of the big corporations running the media, the military and the government. As in most other fascist countries like this one, you have to attack the root cause of the problem, the big money and big corporations.
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by Questionews October 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
I remember not that long ago that it was considered rude & inappropriate to discuss politics & religion in mixed company. Most decent folk would read the paper, listen to the campaign and vote how they felt & kept their political deviancy to themselves. Now it seems that many on both sides take great pride with their "in-your-face" political opinions. The anonymity of being able to rant & rave on politics in forums like the internet have shielded people from having to be civil and they reject any kind of political compromise. There are several that post on this site that serve as classic examples of what most would call politically intolerant of others.
(Political bigotry is what I call it. Yes, the label fits very well. they're bigots)
Do I really need to list the out-there / political extremists or are they already obvious.
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by boatdocster October 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
Bush senior is clueless. People hammered his son because Litl' Bush was (and remains) an arrogant, incompetent and a felonious criminal. Illegal spying, starting unprovoked wars and torture - the USA executed Germans after WWII for these types of crimes.

The GOP hammers on Obama because he is African American, took away their power, and they have failed to identify any good prospects to help galvanize the GOP party that Litl' Bush fragmented with his incompetence. Palin - triple digit loser. Gingrich - Liar and adultery, while claiming family values. Ensign - Liar and adultery, while claiming family values. Huckabee - operates on 10% reactor power only. Romney is the only semi straight one but the GOP frowns on Mitt because of his faith. Ron Paul is a super straight shooter but the GOP will never pick him because he can not be bought.

Yes, both are being hammered; the reasons why are completely different.
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by Rohanite October 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
The judicial branch is already allowing free speech to devolve into a "blank check to say whatever I want" right... why are we surprised that it begins to affect the executive as well?
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by RobertSugg October 19, 2009 12:09 PM EDT
Mr. GHW Bush himself is to blame for the current pig pit in news/opinion electronic media. As President, he vetoed the codification of the Fairness Doctrine, which would have held media outlets self-accountable for statements, allowed response to attacks in a venue by attacked parties, and held open the mics for opposing viewpoints.

As it is now, opposing viewpoints are muzzled by corporations. Debate is defined as uncontested commentary on sound bites, and dump buttons in the hands of program owners shut down opposing speakers.

Fairness, a uniquely American invention, once served to foster free and open debate on issues of public importance. It allowed full expression by speakers on the right, on the left, and in the center.

Restore Fairness to the electronic media rule book, before it is too late, and the country falls to extremists pursuaders.
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by johndevinejr October 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
You forgot to mention that in the past, a single company could not own multible media outlets in the same market. Our present problems are also caused by too few owners in the entire market.

I believe that at the present time there are 7 major media companies in the United States and together they own almost all media.
by RobertSugg October 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
Yes, johndevinejr, I've noticed in my town that the major news/info radio outlet has become 100% right-leaning, with very little hard news, which is sent in by Fox Radio News. This particular outlet fired its last progressive local talk host in May 2008.

From 6:00am to 10:00pm every day, we are treated to firebrand Obama-haters and fascist projectors, and I'm tired of it.

This station's idea of balanced radio programming is offered after 10:00pm, when the ghost-hunters and UFO chasers take over.

Our choice is relegated to flakes and firebrands, with a minute of Fox news and local weather on the half-hour.

If we go to TV, our choice is reality shows and funniest videos on broadcast channels, and extremist programming on cable, along with those who depend on extremist programming for their fodder, such as CNN. No one wants to pay creative talent anymore.

The pig pit in American electronic media is the whole thing, entertainment, news/opinion, and now sports.

The uniquely American starter solution to this uninspired cesspool is Fairness.

Bring it back please.
by icjunior97 October 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
Well I agree that cable news in general is not worth watching. But to point only two people(who happen to be on the left) is not correct. There has been others who are just as bad in the name calling. I have joined and left both parties, one not any better than the other one at this point.
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by JakeofClubs October 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT
Yes, hughwynn, the lefties do it, but you are doing it as well. Your response is just as bad as the lefties initial comment which I am sure they believe is just a reply to some righties comment to them. I just chose the top comment to make a point, but swap rightie for leftie and you will get the same point. One side needs to step up and say "we are above this, we will no longer participate in the petty bickering," before it can end.

The ironic thing is the HW won based on the fear mongering and lack of civility he now decries. Remember Willie Horton, remember him making "Liberal" a bad word? That was all Lee Atwater, he saw it could work and it did.
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by hangelle October 19, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
Wow. I wonder where Poppa Bush gets the gall to decry incivility in politics. He started it with those Willie Horton commercials, and his son's administration mastered it.
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by JakeofClubs October 19, 2009 10:42 AM EDT
NatDef, you called hangelle out for Willie Horton refence but not me. I don't think that's fair, in this case it is OK to bring up Willie Horton because it is about HW41. It is true that this has been a sore spot for the lefties and I did laugh at your response but automatically jumping on it there and not slamming me for it shows how easy it is to slip into that way of thinking.
by Fredd897 October 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
...and don't forget when he called Jerry Brown "Moonbeam". What a total hypocrite!!
by johndevinejr October 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT
Oh come on now! When a republican does it, it is ok. And then you just pretend it never happened and blame it on someone else. you know, like the economy.
by hughwynn October 19, 2009 9:59 AM EDT
i really think you lefties have no clue about what is going on in the world. your hatred for the last president is amazing. you voted for change and you won. now you have a man in office that has done nothing and will do nothing. you love people that can talk. clinton and obama can talk real nice. problem is they did nothing for the middle class.as far as pres bush sr. talking about the clowns at msnbc. he has a right to call them out. they hated his son and continually made jokes about him and were very vindictive. no one at fox, not even sean hannity, is as evil as msnbc. the good news is only 9 people listen to msnbc.
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by dubya_luvr October 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT
Oh, poor Republicans! Wait, I'm getting all weepy for you...

Seriously, your post is the most predictable straight-from-the-cue-cards vomit I've seen all day.

Dubya was a vindictive little brat who happily stood by as Rove and others orchestrated smear campaigns against John Kerry and others. The slimy propagandists at Fox simply read his talking points verbatim, without conscience.

To make the claims that you do implies that you are willfully ignorant and get all of your information from the GOP propaganda mill. Hannity, O'Reilly et al. are nothing more than cheerleaders.
by samorris404 October 19, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
@natdef just like Beck anyone that does not agree with your distorted view of american history is a communist. Get over it it's funny Republicans only agee with Freedom of Speech when they agree with the statment. Beck, Limbaugh, Colter, o'reilly and Fox news are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
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by samorris404 October 19, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
First of all if Bush didn't call out Beck, Limbaugh, Colter , and O'reilly he has nothing to say. No one is as mean and nasty as they are. Bush Senior made a good statement then turned around and tried to cover for the Republican trash party. His son ran this country into the ground and there's not explaination for that. The new day Republican party need a brain transfusion.
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by JakeofClubs October 19, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
I am glad you say new day Republican party because I am a fall in line with the Barry Goldwater Republican (the kind that doesn't think religion should be in politics or that the Government should care who you sleep with, those are personal and you should be able to make your own choices), not the new ones. The other clear difference is that while the so-called "neo-cons" agree with AuH20 types on lower taxes, they forget that you have to cut spending at the same time, which includes wars. One may or may not agree on the Iraq/Afgan situation but one thing is certian, it is expensive.
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