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August 21, 2009 3:14 PM

Sorry, Mandatory Gun Registration Is Constitutional

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Mandatory gun regulation has long been the bête noire of Second Amendment advocates, who worry that it's the final step before firearm confiscation.

The surprise is that, even after last year's landmark Supreme Court ruling on gun rights, mandatory registration could be constitutional. It may not be the wisest public policy. It may not be practical. But after the D.C. v. Heller decision, it also may not violate the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

That question is at the heart of a second lawsuit underway against the city of Washington, D.C. It also arose last week when the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago said that the Second Amendment poses no barrier to mandatory regulation because it does not "invalidate any and every regulation on gun use."

Even some pro-gun scholars and advocates reluctantly agree. "I think under the Heller decision, registration would be constitutional," Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation in Bellevue, Wash., told CBSNews.com this week. "It doesn't make it good public policy."

This isn't a mere abstraction: four years ago, after Hurricane Katrina laid waste to much of New Orleans, local police, the national guard, and U.S. Marshals began breaking into homes at gunpoint and confiscating lawfully-owned firearms.

"Registration is probably not unconstitutional," says Don Kilmer, an attorney in San Jose, Calif. who has sued two California counties for denying law-abiding citizens permits to carry concealed weapons. "There's a difference between registration as a permissible regulation and registration as good policy."

Part of this conclusion stems from the approach that the pro-gun side adopted when suing to overturn the District of Columbia's handgun ban. To make their case appealing to as many Supreme Court justices as possible, the attorneys shouldered the legal equivalent of a rifle instead of a shotgun, and argued only for Americans' right to possess firearms for self-defense -- not for the right to avoid registering them.

Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion in Heller noted that, because the plaintiffs "conceded at oral argument" that they do not "have a problem with... licensing," the court would "not address the licensing requirement." The appeals court in that case did, however, and suggested that registration was just fine: "Reasonable restrictions also might be thought consistent with a 'well regulated militia.' The registration of firearms gives the government information as to how many people would be armed for militia service if called up."

At this point it's probably helpful to look at the actual text of the Second Amendment, which reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In legal circles, there's a never-ending (more like all-consuming) debate about how to interpret such language. To oversimplify: Some conservative justices, including Scalia, tend to look to the original meaning of the words in ordinary use at the time it was written. Others argue for the concept of a "living Constitution," meaning the Constitution is dynamic and should evolve over time to reflect evolving social values.

You can figure out for yourself which school of thought ended up on which side in last year's 5-4 Heller decision.

The problem for gun rights advocates is that, if you look at the language and custom at the time the Second Amendment was written, laws like the Militia Act of 1792 pop up. It required men between the ages of 18 and 45 to register themselves for militia service, and specified they have certain weapons such as a "good rifle." Similarly, a report from Philadelphia in 1823 showed that there were 12,678 rifles in private hands, indicating some records of who owned what.

"Systems akin to registration were quite common at the time of the framing of the Constitution and the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights," says Dennis Henigan, vice president for law and policy at the Brady Campaign and author of the new book Lethal Logic. "Even before that the state militia statutes had the same kind of requirements, so they can track how well the militia was armed."

Then again, the reason for registration in Colonial America was the opposite of today's. In the 1700s and early 1800s, public policy encouraged firearm ownership. Now governments that mandate gun registration tend to want to discourage it.

At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

Under federal law, there's no formal registration for any non-automatic firearm, and unrecorded transfers between private citizens are permitted. A kind of distributed registration requirement exists for anyone buying a firearm through a dealer; they must fill out Form 4473, which the dealer is required to keep on file for 20 years. (Fans of the movie Red Dawn probably remember Form 4473's cameo appearance. And, yes, attorney Stephen Halbrook, author of a book about World War II, has noted that the Nazis "disarmed Berlin’s Jews using the Weimar firearm registration records.")

No less an authority than the late William Rehnquist, who became the chief justice of the Supreme Court, once wrote a memo saying there is no "serious legal obstacle" to registration. Rehnquist was no anti-gunner; he subsequently wrote the opinion in U.S. v. Lopez (striking down the Gun-Free School Zones Act) and joined the majority in Printz et al v. U.S. (striking down part of the Brady bill). Then again, because he wrote that memo while an attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice, it's not clear how much of it represents his own opinion.

That brings us back to today's gun debate, and the possibility that a case involving registration will end up, before too long, in front of the Supreme Court.

The leading candidate is a lawsuit that Fairfax, Va.-based attorney Stephen Halbrook (who questioned now-Justice Sonia Sotomayor's Second Amendment record before the Senate Judiciary committee) filed against the District of Columbia. The nation's capital is no fan of firearms, and after the justices in Heller required it to change its laws, it begrudgingly complied by erecting the strictest gun registration and licensing regime in the nation. There are vision tests, training courses, taxes, fees, written tests, criminal penalties, fingerprinting, work history disclosure, and an open-ended ban on any firearm that police deem a "danger to the health, safety, and security" of the community.

Halbrook's brief filed in federal court on July 31 says, simply, "An arm protected by the Second Amendment may not be required to be registered... It cannot be imagined that the Americans of the founding generation would have deemed any requirement that all of their firearms be registered with the Crown or, later, any government entity, as consistent with their right to possess firearms, any more than they would have viewed speaker registration consistent with the right to utter opinions."

Anyone browsing gun-rights forums on the Internet will see plenty of analogies between the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, often with comparisons like: "I can’t wait for the law which says that not only must newspapers register their printing presses and get licenses to publish, but so must individuals register their computers and printers and get licenses to print or to blog."

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and curator of the libertarian-leaning Volokh.com site, addresses this in an article in the latest UCLA Law Review. It argues that a registration requirement is commonplace among other constitutional rights.

Volokh writes: "Even speakers may sometimes need to register or get licensed. Parade organizers may be required to get permits. Gatherers of initiative signatures may be required to register with the government, and so may fundraisers for charitable causes, though such fundraising is constitutionally protected." He adds that even the right to marry and the right to vote can require licenses or registration, and he believes gun rights are "more like the trackable rights, and that it is the untrackable rights that are the constitutional outlier."

A First Amendment analogy can be found in a 1958 case involving the NAACP, in which the Supreme Court ruled that the civil rights group could not be forced to disclose the names and addresses of its members to the state of Alabama. (Abortion is another example: nobody thinks that the current Supreme Court would uphold a law saying that pregnant woman seeking abortions must register with the government, even though the right to an abortion is not as evident in the Constitution as the right to keep arms.)

Dave Kopel of the Golden, Colo-based Independence Institute takes a hybrid view of the constitutionality of registration. "Registration of militia guns, the gun which a person brings to militia service, to fulfill his militia obligation, is almost certainly constitutional," he says. "As for non-militia guns... the First Amendment parallel is Supreme Court rejection of registration of NAACP members."

So does Don Kilmer, the California attorney suing over concealed carry. "Based on the Second Amendment, registration can only be linked to militia service, such that you would be required for example to register militia-style weapons," Kilmer says. "You may be required to let the government know you have an AR-15, but you may not need to let them know that you have an over-under shotgun that you use for sporting clays and duck hunting. Of what good is a 12-gauge over-under going to be for the militia?"

Complicating matters is that not all registration laws are identical. One law might require centralized registration of all future handgun sales, while another could require reporting of all existing guns in private hands. And licensing laws like the District of Columbia's might demand more than registration -- but permission from the authorities -- before a gun can be owned legally.

Alan Gura, who argued the Heller case before the Supreme Court last year and seems to be heading there again in a lawsuit against Chicago, suggests a way to square the Second Amendment with 18th century history. "My answer on this would be, sadly, (registration) is constitutional although perhaps only if the government is serious about organizing a militia. The fact is that the framers had gun registration for this purpose, and the D.C. Circuit (in the case that led to Heller) specifically approved of registration being constitutional."

Translation: Because the District of Columbia isn't requiring its to denizens turn out on Saturday mornings for militia practice at the National Guard Armory on East Capitol St., its law might be unconstitutional. Maybe.

(Some state constitutions provide more protection for gun owners. Idaho's Constitution is unambiguous: "No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition." And it's worth noting that after the Katrina debacle, Congress voted to prohibit federal officials from confiscating firearms after a "major disaster or emergency.")

In the past, some anti-gun types have tried to enact forms of mandatory national registration. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."

For the record, the Brady Campaign's Dennis Henigan says his group advocates mandatory registration of all future gun transactions, even between private parties. But it is not calling for registration of existing firearms.

Part of the problem in guessing exactly how courts will respond to challenges like the one involing the D.C. registration requirement is that the Heller majority decision didn't specify what kind of laws (except for ones relating to violent felons, or carrying guns in courthouses) are constitutional or not. It didn't even say how judges should approach the question.

"The question is not whether registration will or won't be upheld, but whether courts require the government to demonstrate a fit between means and ends of the sort they require when evaluating time, place, and manner regulations of speech," says Randy Barnett, a professor at Georgetown Law School who wrote in 1998 that the Second Amendment may "not preclude such gun regulations as registration." Barnett adds: "There should be no category of regulation--including registration--that can be adopted free of any showing that it is necessary to acheive a compelling government objective."

It's true that in some situations, registration has led to confiscations, and the 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court that views the Constitution as protecting the individual right to bear arms is a slender one. But then again, not all laws that may be divisive, counter-productive, and difficult to implement will be ruled unconstitutional.

Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBSNews.com. He can be reached at declan@cbsnews.com. You can bookmark the Taking Liberties site here, or subscribe to the RSS feed.
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by jxknowles August 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
I have to admit, it's hard to read anything DeClan writes and make sense of it. A lot of irrelevant facts and references, not too much insight.

Anyway, registration helps law enforcement in the pursuit of crime. The only ones who should worry are the idiots who sell guns to criminals.

Anyone who thinks someone called 'The Government' is going to go around with a giant cart confiscating all the registered guns is delusional.
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by jokr8790 August 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
With all their talk about the nazis the fact of the matter is that most of the people who cite that "history" as a justification for their ownership of firearms would be the first to join the nazis if they ever came to power in this country. What happened to put the nazis in power in Germany in the 1930s was far more complex than their merely confiscating guns from Jews.
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by drsuz August 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
"Some state constitutions provide more protection for gun owners. Idaho's Constitution is unambiguous: "No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition." And it's worth noting that after the Katrina debacle, Congress voted to prohibit federal officials from confiscating firearms after a "major disaster or emergency."

In the Federal Constitution, it states that the Federal Government CANNOT interfer with the running of a State nor a State's Constitution. So this is just a bunch of nothing only something get people all riled up.
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by outwestbutnotca August 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
>If the government decides that all weapons be registered, you WILL register them or go to jail. <

How many criminals do you think are going to give a rat's *&& for your silly registration law? Zero do you think?
by declanm-2009 November 4, 2009 12:00 AM EST
The federal government can't interfere with state laws? Have you never heard of Gonzales v. Raich? (Hint: your view would come as a surprise to the U.S. Congress and U.S. Supreme Court.)
by August 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
Declan, thanks for quoting me. But, where is your blogging license!?
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by declanm-2009 November 4, 2009 12:00 AM EST
Dang, you're right. I'll renew it the next time I register my USB keyboard with the state of California.
by cheesy_fish August 23, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
There is already such record keeping in place (4473 forms, now managed and stored electronically by gun stores for easy management and transfer to the interested local, state and federal agencies). And States like Delaware as well as agencies like the BATFE have already demonstrated that they can an do gain access to these records, whenever they need/want to.
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by agsforever August 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
cheesy, if they are doing so, they are in violation of several provisions of Federal law, which prohibit exactly such actions. I realize that the liberal democrats think that they are above the law, as their heroes Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton were, but there will come a day when the American People get tired of such arrogance.
by Dutchman6 August 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
Subject: "You don't poke a wolverine with a stick unless you want your balls ripped off."
Date: 8/22/2009 2:27:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time
From: GeorgeMason1776
To: declan@cbsnews.com

re: Your column "Sorry, Mandatory Gun Registration Is Constitutional"

Dear Declan,

There are things in life that you can do.

There are things in life that you shouldn't do.

For example, you CAN urinate on an electric fence, but it will undoubtedly be a far more religious experience than you had bargained for. Likewise it is with mandatory gun registration.

All this pointy-hatted constitutional "scholar" stuff is good for the sort of parlor chat that some folks favor, I suppose, but in the real world there is for the academician kibitzer and citizen disarmament advocate legal beagle this unfortunate (depending upon how you look at it) set of historical and political truths:

One, universal gun registration is the precursor to gun confiscation, always has been, always will be.

Two, gun confiscation is the absolute precursor to tyranny and genocide.

Three, there are enough armed citizenry in this country who have internalized these lessons to make it suicidal for any would-be tyrant to try, "constitutional" or not. (The Founders would say "not," but why waste time debating the point?)

Ergo, as my Michigan farmer grandfather once told me about arguing with Grandma: "Son, you don't poke a wolverine with a sharp stick unless you want your balls ripped off."

Oh, by the way, WE are the wolverine.

Are we done here? I think we are.

Mike Vanderboegh
Pinson, AL
The alleged leader of a merry band of Three Percenters
sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com
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by theskeptical1 August 23, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
Mike - I think you just cut through a ton of crap and went straight to the heart of the matter. Well done!
by Bostonterrier97 August 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT
Gun Registration is probably not unconstitutional, however requiring the registration of firearms in order to possess them and at the same time refusing to process registration applications is Unconstitutional.
Case in point: California's Assault Weapon's Ban. In order to possess an Assault Weapon in California, it must be registered. However the last date in which to register Assault Weapons was on Jan. 1, 2000.

Thus in effect, Gun Registration requirements are a tool for Gun Prohibition. Historically the whole idea of issueing Concealed Carry Permits or Handgun Permits was to use it as a vehicle for prohibiting Gun Ownership among Blacks, Indians and other minority groups.

These racist laws of requireing Permits, and registration are still on the books today.

In California, as well as in New York City, the only people who can legally carry a firearm are police officers, and Rich and Politically connected people. This fits hand and glove with Medieval practices of restricting access to weaponry by common folk while allowing the nobility to have access to weapons.

Gun Registration is constitutional in the sense if it requires all able bodied men and women to possess a weapon that is suitable for Military Purposes. In this case it would be a Select fire rifle (capable of either Semi-Automatic and Fully Automatic fire). This would dove tail nicely with the definition of the Unorganized Militia as specified in the Militia Act.

Other Weapons need not be registered. But Assault Rifle Ownership should be required unless the person objects on religious or moral grounds.

This is the Swiss Model of a Citizen Army and it is what the founders of the Constitution envisioned when they ratified it during the Great Debate between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.
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by Poshboy618 August 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
As a firearms owner in a Southern state, I will be happy to comply with registration when the "authorities" allow me to register my own surplus M113 155mm howitzer, with all the usual ammunition that gun requires to be effective for infantry. But that will only happen when I can PURCHASE a M113 155mm howitzer, which I cannot do today.

Until I can legally make that purchase--forget registration.
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by servantRdw August 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
Article I - To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States
Let us see, this implies for people who want to actively engage in a 10 mile radius of their homes, protection for the people. Then you have a paid, governed militia,
ie: national guard. I say, Mr Government, where is my m16!! - I want to be a civilian only protector of the US Constitution and yes you can register it, because it is yours.


Amendment XIV - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
This kinda screws up Washington now doesn?t it. If I live in a state that allows conceal carry and travel through your town. I encourage all blind citizens in Washington to own a gun and I call for the US marshals to arrest any person who attempts to abridge the right of US citizens


Amendment XIV - No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States
This little amendment seems to invalidate every law currently enacted that is not uniform across the US

The constitution was written by the people for the people it is not that hard a read, please do so and stop politicians or whoever wants to deny your rights with their double talk.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/index.html
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
by theskeptical1 August 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
Let us use the wording of the Second Amendment to address a different Constitutional right and consider the implications.

"A well educated electorate, being necessary to the maintenance of a free State, the right of the People to keep and read books, shall not be infringed."
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You're ill advised attempt to apply logic was poor at best.

Let's turn that argument on its head. Let's state that those citizens that practice the right to vote should be well read and well versed concerning (at the very least) a majority of the issues in which the elected officials they are voting for will manage. (Try this on for size: www.politicalcompass.org/)

In other words, there tons of idiots out there that are exercising their lawful rights that shouldn't be doing so.

Fortunately, there are laws that restrict some people from exercising those rights and those laws are NOT unconstitutional.

The quandary is to continually strive to strike the right balance between freedoms and restrictions of those freedoms.
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by theskeptical1 August 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
>You're [sic] ill advised attempt to apply logic was poor at best.

Your semi-literate attempt to denigrate my post can be most charitably described as feeble.

>In other words, there tons [sic] of idiots out there that are exercising their lawful rights that shouldn't be doing so.

And in whom do you propose to vest the power to decide which "idiots" are to be stripped of their lawful rights? It would not be surprising to hear that you'd feel comfortable in that role. It is interesting that those who support despotism invariably see themselves as uniquely qualified for the office of despot.

>Fortunately, there are laws that restrict some people from exercising those rights and those laws are NOT unconstitutional.

The proper purpose of laws is not to _restrict_ rights but rather to discourage the _misuse_ of rights. There is a very basic difference, you know.

>The quandary is to continually strive to strike the right balance between freedoms and restrictions of those freedoms.

However those whose ultimate goal is the subjugation of the individual to the tyranny of the state will seize on every opportunity to drive that balance point farther away from freedoms and more in favor of further restrictions. They will, of course, disguise their vile intentions with fraudulent phrases such as "the good of the people" and "do it for the children". Meanwhile those citizens intent on keeping what liberties they still hold must be equally dedicated to defeating the efforts of these self-serving satraps and strident, gullible, short-sighted fools who are their accomplices.
by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
by formrusmcsgt August 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT
What I do not see answered by any of the NRA-types among us is how registration interferes with ownership.

Are they so dense as to equate registration with confiscation?

Is it possible that they really can not distinguish between the two?
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by msspurlock August 22, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
Gun registration is confiscation.
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There's your answer!!!
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by nextgenman09 August 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT
registration is confiscation? I guess its true. For RINOBumpkins, stupid really is the new smart.
by summarex August 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
NO! It is not constitutiobnal. Any judge who says otherwise should be dragged out of his chambers and into the street to be strung from the nearest lamp post. It's time to get tough and merciless on these criminal jursits.
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by nextgenman09 August 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
Yes, it is constitutional. And if you would have actually read (assuming you can read) the article you'd see where Declan pointed that out. You have no knowledge about which you blither.
by msspurlock August 22, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
Gun registration is confiscation.

Only an idiot would be unaware that it has always followed registration as night follows day. So anyone who contests the fact is both an idiot and a liar.

So Americans will have to decide; do they want civil war to fight for their rights, or do they want to go quietly into slavery?
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by nextgenman09 August 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
Yawn. You obviously have no knowledge of the history of gun control in America since day one.
by declanm-2009 November 4, 2009 12:03 AM EST
I'm not saying I support registration, of course, but I wonder if that's really true.

California has required registration of handguns for as long as I can remember. I don't see the state confiscating millions of Glocks and 1911s, last I checked.

Now, it's true that you could argue that confiscation hasn't happened *yet*, and I agree that registration makes confiscation much easier, but I don't think you've proven the argument that registration necessarily leads to confiscation.
by theskeptical1 August 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT
Let us use the wording of the Second Amendment to address a different Constitutional right and consider the implications.

"A well educated electorate, being necessary to the maintenance of a free State, the right of the People to keep and read books, shall not be infringed."

Since the first clause makes reference to the "electorate" does that limit the right to keep and read books to enfranchised citizens who are qualified to vote? That would eliminate not only children but also women, who were not entitled to vote when the Bill of Rights was ratified. And if the word "electorate" is defined as referring only to registered voters then the right to keep and read books is enjoyed only by those who have actually registered to vote.

The second clause refers to "maintenance of a free State". Are the books that the People are entitled to keep and read limited to those which promote said maintenance of the State? If so, the only books that the Constitutional right covers are those on the subjects of government, politics, and civic virtue. All works of fiction, comedy, poetry, cooking or any other such literature have no protection against governmental censorship or proscription.

Furthermore, since the Founding Fathers could not anticipate modern means of communication such as text-mail, e-mail, radio, and television you have no Constitutional right to receive information from any of those sources either.

All of these arguments are, of course, patently absurd, but they are identical to the logical contortions exhibited by despotic politicians, hoplophobic activists and other legal limbo-dancers who are politically unwilling or intellectually incapable of honestly parsing that simple phrase

"... the right of the People .."
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by mikeck44 August 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
Indeed, if we did not tell em the could do it in the constitution, we can only blame ourselves if we allow them to get away with doing it.
by OregonJames August 22, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
Make all the laws you want, but guns and drugs will still be easy to purchase on the street. All the new laws will do is drive up the cost of those things and move the profits from those sales from the law-abiding to the law breakers and criminals. What a waste of time and money.

I will never register of surrender my firearms and will continue to collect them regardless of what the courts say.
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by MIO42 August 22, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
" The final step before firearm confiscation".
The Romans and Greeks used Spears and Swords .
Let's all carry a spear and sword as well as a handgun !

not to be concealed though !!
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by mikeck44 August 22, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
I have not had time to go through all the comments, but don't understand why anyone would care what the Supreme Court has to say...they are just as capable of usurping our rights as are the other braches of government.

If we the people did not specifically give the government the right to do something/anything in the constitution, they do not have and cannot get that right short of a constitutional amendment...period, end of discussion!!!
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by woeisme1 August 22, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
I like the "Red Dawn" comment by the one poster who claims NRA's extremists freaks who saw the movie thought they were watching the history channel.

That's funny. Ahhhhhh it's just amazing how easily some are led to stupidity, especially on the far right.
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by nextgenman09 August 22, 2009 8:32 AM EDT
Well written piece by Declan McCullagh. Too bad some freak marketing major at CBS had to add the sensationalist headline to it. But hey, its all about ratings and money for the Media Freaks.
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by erasmus111 August 22, 2009 8:20 AM EDT
by formrusmcsgt August 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT
What I do not see answered by any of the NRA-types among us is how registration interferes with ownership.

Are they so dense as to equate registration with confiscation?

Is it possible that they really can not distinguish between the two?

Apparntly so.



Well then if they are that dense, they sure as hell shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
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by nextgenman09 August 22, 2009 8:35 AM EDT
The problem is that they watched "Red dawn" and though it was on the History Channel.
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