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August 20, 2009 3:50 PM

General: More Troops in Afghanistan Means Less Risk

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The White House has hailed today's vote in Afghanistan as an overall success. U.S. officials in Afghanistan report 95 percent of polling stations opened across the country -- including one hundred percent of the polling centers in Helmand and Kandahar, despite a quadrupling of attacks in that region in recent days.

"Lots of people have defied threats of violence and terror to express their thoughts about the next government for the people of Afghanistan," spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters this morning.

How the vote shakes out as ballots are counted over the next two weeks will be key to helping White House officials determine how much more money and manpower they give to their commander on the ground, Gen. Stanley McChrystal when he presents his assessment on Afghan strategy in a few weeks. That's according to a series of discussions with senior White House officials, defense advisors and members of McChrystal's staff.

(AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
CBS News has learned that while McChrystal's official assessment will not include troops, that he is already leaning toward a range to recommend to the Pentagon and the White House in mid-to-late fall. The general is leaning toward three major options -- the "high risk strategy" is to add only 15,000 troops to the 68,000 that will be on the ground by the end of this year -- as in, the highest risk of failure. The "medium risk strategy" is to add 25,000 troops, and the "low risk strategy" is 45,000, according to a senior defense adviser helping craft the plan.

The assessment itself is shaping up to be much like a restaurant menu -- with options to choose from, and a list of anticipated costs and hoped -- for tactical and strategic effects, according to two officials familiar with the plan.

The key portion -- and part of what will guide the U.S. troop equation -- will be determining how large to grow the Afghan national security forces. One senior White House official confirmed they are discussing with McChrystal the merits of doubling the combined police and army forces to a total of 400,000.

"McChrystal will give the president options," the official said. "How large the president decides those Afghan forces need to be, and how fast he wants to grow them will determine the cost."

Doubling the forces would likely mean doubling the roughly ten-thousand U.S. and European forces currently devoted to training (directly or in support of trainers), the official said. "That's costing us between five to seven billion dollars a year right now. So double that."

That could bump up the cost from $50 billion this year, to the region of $60 billion and above. "And you'd need to do that for five years," the official said.

Of course, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen will be the interface between McChrystal and the White House in this process -- so just like they played a role in asking McChrystal to keep troop numbers out of his initial assessment, they may again ask him to take more contentious parts of the plan into bite size pieces deemed more manageable for the U.S. public to bear, according to defense analysts close to the process.

The Obama White House is painfully aware that the American public is not invested in this war -- and officials here and in Kabul worry that Mr. Obama's Democratic base will eventually follow that line, especially next year, a Congressional election year. That's going to make a large-scale, multi-year war plan a hard sell -- though that is what McChrystal's advisers have been telling him he needs.

(AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)
So the general has been trying to refocus the resources he's already got, to make them stretch. One of his staffers explained from Kabul that he's moving them around to see if he can produce more stability with the ones he's already got.

That's part of a larger strategy guiding both McChrystal and the White House thinking: that this time around, they need to get "better strategic bang" out of every American dollar -- and every life put in harm's way.

"We had outposts in the middle of nowhere," the White House official explained.

Another McChrystal adviser agreed, explaining that both money and manpower are now being focused on areas with "the most people, or the greatest insurgent activity," and to a lesser extent "the greatest opium--growing activity," he explained.

And every aspect of the U.S. government -- and NATO -- is being brought to bear on those areas deemed most important.

Another senior official privy to the White House planning meetings on Afghanistan said the National Security Council has had to rein in some ideas by the Departments of State and Agriculture to invest heavily in parts of the country that are deemed too lightly populated.

"This is not nation building," one member of the McChrystal's Kabul team explained. "Everybody has to get on board with that. We don't have the money to rebuild Afghanistan."

The National Security Council has been in charge of coordinating that message, and making sure every branch of the U.S. government involved in Pakistan and Afghanistan gets it. The NSC got its first across-the-board progress update on Afghanistan last Friday from agencies including the Department of Defense, State, the DNI (Director of National Intelligence), Agriculture, Commerce and "other three-letter agencies," one senior defense official present at the meeting said.

The departments had to relay their progress in nine areas, including: the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban; counterterrorism efforts in Pakistan, the promotion of a stable democratic government there; counterinsurgency efforts in Afghanistan to protect the local population; the effectiveness of the Afghan government; and the coordination of the international support for U.S. efforts.

"We're not happy with everything we heard, but everyone turned something in," said the senior White House official. "Now we have to decide where we go from here."

Watch Kimberly Dozier host "Washington Unplugged" today with more news and analysis of today's vote in Afghanistan:






More CBSNews.com Coverage of Afghanistan:

Afghan Polls Close After Low Voter Turnout

See Pictures from Election Day

Lara Logan: What the Afghans Really Want

Polling Shows Public Is Turning Against Afghan War


(CBS)
Kimberly Dozier is a CBS News correspondent based in Washington.
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by mickey_carroll November 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST
Sending more troops into war / Children carry weapons Son's and daughter's go to war . Over 52.000 views on You Tube

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by mickey_carroll November 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST
Sending more troops into war / Children carry weapons . Over 52.000 views on You Tube

Song For My Son seems to be delivering a message that the people want to hear ..

Check it out tell me what you think .

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Love and Music

Mickey
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by Ms_enza August 27, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
General: More Troops in Afghanistan Means Less Risk

Is that true? It must be...

We had 500,000 in country Vietnam every year for 8 years and lost 58,000.

The Vietnamese has 35,000,000 in their country and lost 1,600,000.

The more the merrier...
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by HGOODGUY August 21, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
MORE TROOPS--LESS RISK

SOUND LIKE A MILLER BEER COMMERCIAL--TASTS GREAT-LESS FILLING!!!

THAT SOUNDS ABOUT AS STUPID AS SENDING MORE TROOPS TO GET KILLED IN A PLACE THAT WE DON'T BELONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
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by toldyouso29 August 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
Yep--less risk due to simple stats. If there are 3 people fighting in a unit, the odds of a person dying may be 1 in 3, if a 100, then maybe 1 in a 100, if you send 10,000 it can become 1 in 10,000, the less risk is always true because instead of you dying, the odds increase that it could be someone else--it is the shield principle--the more people between a person and a killer, the better the odds for the last man to stay standing.
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by babooph August 21, 2009 2:16 AM EDT
I guess it is just me, but a military budget10x bigger than the rest of the world,should have enough gear to send some troops out to fight a bunch of shoeless goat herders-what happened to the fortune ,the lobbyists get it all?
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by toldyouso29 August 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT
Money never won a war, nor did fancy hardware. We fight wars to steal a country's resources and harvest their people and infrastructure to create new market share. That is hard to do if we kill them all. Of course, our bombs don't really kill that many. It took over 240 tons to bunker bust Saddam's Sons hidey holes, that means it took 30 million dollars to kill 2 men. They say that hundreds of thousands (if not over a million) were killed in Iraq--if we expend that kind of money to kill 2 people--you do the math.

On another note--they can take pennies and turn a cell phone into a bomb or a bomb transmitter--so we spend millions a day to be there, they spend maybe 1000.00 in that same day creating mayhem. Sooner or later, even for the richest country in the world-the money runs out.

They don't have to do anything more than never give up, pop up every now and then and continue to destabilize their country so we cannot claim victory--let a few kill themselves and a few others--and for those acts and a fistful of dollars, we spend about 300 million a month? Not rocket science why the goat herders have us by the balls--they have the 3 greatest enemies or advantages in a war--TIME, LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, INDOMINATABLE WILL. You can't ever "win" or beat a people who will never give up--they can do this for centuries and the reason we don't turn their country into a parking lot is due to economics--we fight wars to gain new territory and resources and control the market share--there is no market share with no infrastructure and no people living to buy stuff in the future.
by hermitdave August 21, 2009 12:13 AM EDT
So general just how is the Kenny-Bunk-Port Cowboy get Osama Bin Laden DEAD OR ALIVE campaign going after all these years? This is truly a first in American history event. Normally America has used its vast intelligence services like the CIA to simply use covert means to capture or kill leaders. Allende in Chili was a good example. Why Cheney decided to use the massive firepower of the American air force and navy and ground troops is for sure open for question. It is amazing that the government is still getting away with the initial story that Osama was the mastermind of 9/11/01 and must be captured or killed, no matter how many innocent women and children or troops were killed and maimed. Of course as years drug on Crusader George said he didn't know where Osama was and didn't care. Now intelligent people would say OK then forget it, lets shut down this illegal invasion of Afghanistan bring the troops home and move on. Of course there is that nagging suspicion that it was the oil pipeline and drugs that were the real excuse for the Afghan Crusade.
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by naj1953 August 20, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
Bring our Troops Home...................................
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by mav547166 August 20, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
They fired a General because he said he asked for at least 30,000 thousand troops, and they sent in 15,000 which was obviously not enough to secure the elections. Of course the same people that almost lost Iraq are now running the Joint Chiefs. President Obama needs to start firing Generals until he finds his Grant and cut him loose to finish this war the way Lincoln did his. They have been killing Americans for almost 40 years, and they are not going to like us in the next 40 unless we are dead.
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by ramos1129 August 20, 2009 6:20 PM EDT
Doubling the forces would likely mean doubling the roughly ten-thousand U.S. and European forces currently devoted to training (directly or in support of trainers), the official said. "That's costing us between five to seven billion dollars a year right now. So double that."
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First there will not be any more troops from the other countries. As in Vietnam and Iraq, we are on our own in Afrans. Right now, there are 42 countries in Afrans and we are providing over 48% of the troops there. If the Taliban is so dangerous, why it is that we are the only ones concerned about them?

If Obama does what General McChrystal really wants, we will be in another quaqmire just when we are getting out of the Iraq nightmare.

What we have to do is to just declare victory and withdraw. The Afrans people, in their history have repelled the Turks, the Brittish and the Russians. Now, it is our turn. We can withdraw now or later and withdraw eventually, we will. If we withdraw later, it will be after we have needlessly lost many of our fine youth and wasted billions ($) which someone lent us.

I hope Congress can inject some reason into this mess.
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by trapbreaking August 20, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
Send them... Obama, like all presidents, loves nation building. A soon as they make them the Commander in Chief, they begin to think, what good is it to have the most powerful military in the world if you can't do some nation building?

After Afghanistan, there is always North Korea, Chavez, Iran. Fun times can be had by all.

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