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August 12, 2009 7:47 AM

Specter: Health Care Critics Don't Speak for America

Fiercely vocal opponents to President Obama's health care reform agenda have a right to speak their mind, but don't "represent all of America," Sen. Arlen Specter said Wednesday.

The former longtime Republican, who switched party allegiances in April, was one of several Democrats to face heated criticism from constituents in town hall meetings across the country over proposed health care reform. (See video below.)

Opponents have railed against the Democratic proposals, characterizing them in general as government-run health care that will overburden taxpayers. Critics have taken specific issue with so-called "death panels," which will supposedly force elderly Medicare patients to seek end of life treatments. (Though those rumors have been proven false.)

"These people have a right to be organized," Specter said on CBS' "The Early Show" Wednesday. "I'm not going to complain about the fact that they are organized. They have a right to do that and they have a right to speak. But I think we ought to understand that they're not necessarily representative of America."

But Specter said that he's been "impressed with the fact that people [are] very well prepared," even though he has "no doubt the materials have been supplied to them."

"They've come in with copies of the House bill, with the sections marked. And also, although they may not be representative, they're significant. And they have to be listened to. And I think that it's a loud, clear warning to Congress, to Washington, that we've got to do something about it. And not just continue the same old partisan wrangling in Washington.

Specter said the frustration over health care may be linked to deeper problems in the country.


"I think there is a mood in America of anger. With so many people unemployed and so much bickering in Washington, people are disgusted with the partisanship and with the fear of losing their health care, it all boils over."

And Specter did give credence to opponents' concerns over adding to an already hefty deficit – an issue he says will be addressed in whatever legislation Congress produces.

"I think President Obama was wise to make it explicit he wouldn't sign a health care bill that added to the deficit. And I have said publicly at these meetings repeatedly I will not vote for a health care plan that produces a deficit. So there is a great concern about that."
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by sam-kiley August 13, 2009 5:20 AM EDT
coucou
j n'ai pas vu le early ce mat.désolée, j'a parcouru les opinions ..je suis impressionnée le débat bat son plein..super..discuter ..vouloir de comprendre
je souhaite sincérememnt que cette réforme proposée par mr OBAMA, soit a la mesure des éspérances des 80 millions d'américains..moyens, sans emplois etc..au revoir
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by far_point200 August 12, 2009 10:43 PM EDT
Ah, Benedict Specter, you words aren't worth spit.
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by ctaymo August 12, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
Damn straight the people are angry. And many generations are wondering why things are the way they used to be. Where's my share, my cut, my "bail out". Why don't I have the right to "medicaid" after I worked so hard and now I am down and out? There is a sense of entitlement based on the idea that if we are such an advanced society, why can't we solve the health care issues? Let's shake out the proverbial piggy bank. What do you find? a few screws, lots of nuts and two cents if your are lucky.

The answer simply is Greed. And a big change in the way our society functions. The way we are brought up to believe that we can "be anything we want to be", yet the schools have to cut programs that can help train students not heading to college for jobs like they used to. Instead we are focusing on the math and reading scores because that's what gives the money. Not to mention there is little preparation (unless your parents teach you) on how to properly handle money and debt and live within your means. Why not prepare those newly entering the system? Greed. I am reminded of a passage I once heard: "we are in the business of controlling debt, not wealth".

And as the technology age gets fancier with its gadgets, and more and more people live BEYOND their means, to keep appearance, to"make their kids love them", to make their kids "popular".... we will experience more and more people who are in debt saying "why me? what did I do to deserve this?"

Sense of entitlement and greed have found us in this arena. And all are at fault. You could pick apart society and say this and that just like I pulled some examples, but pointing fingers doesn't get anywhere. We need solutions to the problems. Many people are putting their tails between their legs and are facing their problems, determined to bring change and solution to a problem so volatile.

And the interaction like this will be necessary. Change is not neat and clean and quiet. It is revolutionary. It is crossing the Deleware river in the dead of winter. It is standing up for what you believe in, and not backing down. It is the essence of this country, and it will prevail. Do not have a false sense of security in what you think you know as America. This is a MAJORITY, not a minority, screaming for a lifeboat to keep them afloat. They want change before they qualify for the assistance programs, and to keep their two cents.
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by mikeyc287 August 12, 2009 8:01 PM EDT
specter might wanna be a ********** spector
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by thgdriver August 12, 2009 7:29 PM EDT
Spector should not get elected dog catcher. The aiss holds these town hall meetings and when they don;t go his way he sezzz--"Well they don't speak for America". I am sure if things went his way and all patted him on the back he would sayyyyy-- these people all represent the way America thinks. It's just more Spector Dimwitocratic spin.
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by alanrobisch August 12, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
Its spector speak. I am not as old as him but this is typical. He hopes to be re-elected in 2010. I'll be surprised if he is even the dem nominee and with the current melee on health care I think its seriously possible that pa will have new senator from the republicans
by hungry1968-16 August 12, 2009 6:49 PM EDT
by erbssr August 12, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
Arlen Specter needs to get his head out of the sand. The people protesting DO represent most Americans feelings!!!!!







Since when is 18% of the population considered "most"?
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by alanrobisch August 12, 2009 7:21 PM EDT
hungry did you ever consider learning something before you comment. Most over 50% according to Rasmussen oppose the plan. Your sarcasm and ignorance won't help win your point and per Rasmussen a higher percentage feel positively about republicans than democrats.

Face it when the democrats find it necessary to personally attack people who criticize the obama plan they are in trouble. It gets people angry and brings even more opposition when people like Spector and yourself talk down to people who oppose the plan. BTW I am still waiting for your apology for calling me a liar
by erbssr August 12, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
Arlen Specter needs to get his head out of the sand. The people protesting DO represent most Americans feelings!!!!!
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by Timothy_Z August 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT
How dare these people criticize the lack of knowledge on the part of the public when they are passing bills they themselves have not read.
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by sjc_1 August 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
You are allowed free speech, but you can NOT yell fire in a crowded theater. Disrupting the free speech of others is not freedom for all. Inciting riots by telling lies is immoral and should be dealt with severely.
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by jab232 August 12, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
Specter is right. You could disrupt every town hall meeting in the nation with a very small minority of the population. That's why the GOP is using the tactic.

In 2008 the average Fox network viewership was 2.2 million. Even if that represents a total of maybe ten million watching the network which is promoting town hall disruptions, the population of the U.S. is over 304 million. Ten million is one-thirtieth.

When we spend all our media time and space writing about yelling and name-calling at town halls, we are catering to a very small minority.
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by johndevinejr August 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
I saw the entire interview with republican Wing Nut Craig Miller. He seemed to think that President Obama has violated his oath of office. Something about 31 czars. (czars have been appointed by Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush)
He was, I think, very representative of the protesters. The Right Wing Smear machine has gotten them all wound up, angry and frightened. Mr Miller didn't seem to clear about what in the Health Care Reform bills he was against. It seemed that he was just opposed to Democrats being in control.
Mr Miller, this is a democracy, the majority of the people voted for Mr Obama. The republicans have been so arrogant, reckless and incompetent they needed to be removed.
This country has been severely damaged by republicans and their tactic of stoking fear and hatred in their base. Now they try to intimidate people without any clear idea of why they are doing it.
It is the reason that the republican party is a failure. The bring nothing to the table, they only try to oppose anything and everthing.
The party of NO.
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by parrots7 August 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
The Republican Jewish Coalition, which is launching a campaign against Obama on behalf of Senator John McCain, sponsored the poll to "understand why Barack Obama continues to have a problem among Jewish voters," the group's executive director, Matt Brooks, told Politico.


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This is obviously the most important thing in the lives of these very Dumb Repugs ..... now imagine if this Repug had become POTUS ?? Any Repug ??? Dumb Repugs !
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by roach9703 August 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
Dear Weaselcrat:

Why this the Health Care Plan Stinks:
1. How can the working poor, particularly those who are self employed pay a 12% tax, because they can not afford expensive health care insurance? Obama promised he would not do that? ( against Hillary)
b. Why is each district REQUIRED to have an insurer provide abortion coverage? ( Back door FOCA?)
c. An 8% excise tax for small business - wonderful,
d. more "taxes on the wealthy" also means that small business owners who employ 25 people or so have an additional income tax on top a payroll excise tax.
e. how are health care costs being contained when subsidies are known to increase costs from college tuition to medicare costs?
f. where is the money? - "cost savings for computers" Yeah, sure.
g. then, sleeping pills for elderly instead of pace makers - wow
h. then, we tax health care benefits for employers who are " too generous"? Obama said he would not do that.
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by democracy1 August 12, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
Anyone who has a copy of this bill (as I do) knows that you are spreading lies and misinformation. For example, the word "abortion" does not appear in the bill even ONE time. Not once! And besides, the Hyde Amendment (in law since 1976) bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortions.

Stop spreading LIES!
by melaniefox August 12, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
"materials supplied to them" ?! what arrogance. we are out here and we are smart.

"may not be representative" - you better believe they represent us - we are angry with the spending, the lies, the attacks, the Washington arrogance, and yes, the socialist bent of this administration and its supporters.

"fear of losing healthcare" - we're afraid of losing the quality healthcare we already have; we're afraid of having to pay for the healthcare of illegal aliens, people who don't work by choice, and people who choose not to buy insurance; we are already taxed beyond reason. and tell us ONE government program that has worked, runs efficiently, or ENDS? stay out of my wallet and I'll take care of myself just fine.
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by democracy1 August 12, 2009 9:01 PM EDT
Educate yourselves, then. Grow a spine and stop being a fraidycat from all the absurd lies you hear.

The simplest way for someone to get you to do their bidding is to make you afraid, so afraid that you stop thinking, analyzing and learning. Get a copy of HR 3200 and start reading, carefully, without preconceived ideas.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself, remember that?
by r_mcdonald1 August 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
Mr. Specter - with all due respect to your position, the people who are at these events, protesting and challenging the administrations attempt to take over the health care of this nation through the legislative branch merits the ire of the population.

And, contrary to your opinion sir, these people DO speak for Americans. They are, for the large part, Americans.

You sir, for the lack of a better term, are the employee of the people of the state of Pennsylvania - not the people of America. There are people in your Senate body that are, also, employees of their respective states and you ALL serve at the pleasure, and displeasure, of the people of those represented states.

You ALL seem to have forgotten that fact.

Your overall conduct and your evident disdain for the people who are your employers speaks of your arrogance and self endowed supremacy over the masses. If you were the representative of a private employer, and spke to the client, the way you speak to the citizens of your state, and of this country, you sir - would be terminated from your employment with cause.

We are informed, but not because the President, who promised to have the most transparent government in history, is doing as he promised. We are more informed than some of your fellows, and we know who is lying to us with respect to these matters that involve 1/7th of the total economy of this nation. WE CANNOT ENTRUST YOU and your cronies with power to resolve this matter, it is a matter for the people in the individual states to address with the insurers licensed to do business within those states.

Health insurance is another private business that generate massive amounts of revenue, revenue which the government wants to control. All we need do is look at 9 out of 10 federal programs to understand that the House and Senate DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY to manage programs of this size.

No sir - you are not worthy.
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by swin5 August 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
I'm from Pittsburgh and let me assure you that Arlen Specter no longer speaks for many of us here in Pennsylvania. His support of the porkulus bill, Sotomayor, and Obama's insane health care government takeover will doom him in the next election. If you don't think so then remember that Pennsylvanians pulled the plug on Rick Santorum when he failed to distance himself from George W. and the crazy mid-east wars.
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by TPS2 August 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
Apparently you don't realize how simple you are to gobble up all the misinformation available to you via the internet. It's just another medium with which you can be manipulated by people who can profit from your ignorance.
by azure13

"They've come in with copies of the House bill, with the sections marked" (Specter).
The bill can be viewed at www.house.gov/ Is that the misinformation you are speaking of?
Read and UNDERSTAND a post before you respond to it.
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by democracy1 August 12, 2009 8:53 PM EDT
They don't want REAL information. They've made that clear. They want talking points that support their point of view whether they are based on facts or not. Death panels, yeah right...
by 6591Hou August 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
Nothing being settled here.

Neither the republicans or the democrats have been singlehandedly responsible for the healthcare delivery system in the U.S. - because it's never been a government controlled system, it's a private insurance company and hospital driven system. Prices are negotiated, both parties want to make a profit, and we (the patient population) have the pockets that they reach into.
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by hungry1968-16 August 12, 2009 12:06 PM EDT
Got to run - which will give Mortar time to think of an answer.

I'll check back soon to laugh at your comment, dummy!
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by Mortarman29 August 12, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
Hungry here still? And still lying. As usual. Ho-hum.
by hungry1968-16 August 12, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
by Mortarman29 August 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT

My company pays higher taxes to help pay for this stupid plan to cover people that aren't even their employees. They also continue to pay for my commercial plan.







by hungry1968-16 August 12, 2009 11:54 AM EDT

So you don't currently have employer sponsored health care coverage?






by Mortarman29 August 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT

I do, of course. Which is right in what I wrote. As usual, Hungry cant figure stuff out.







Speaking of "can't figure stuff out", then perhaps you can explain WHY your company will be paying higher taxes to support this plan, when the ONLY companies that will be paying higher taxes, are those that don't offer health care benefits to their employees? Would you like to keep guessing?



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/10/business/moneywatch/main5230656.shtml

"Both bills have "pay or play" provisions that penalize employers who don't offer health insurance to their workers. But penalties in the House version are more stringent - up to 8 percent of payroll - compared with the Senate version, which would impose a flat $750 penalty per full-time worker. Some small businesses would be exempt from this provision, including employers with 25 or fewer employees under the Senate bill and employers with annual payrolls of less than either $250,000 or $500,000 under the House bill. (The House committees approved different thresholds and will have to work out the differences.)"
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by Mortarman29 August 12, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
Sorry, you havent seen the fact that those rates will be nowhere near enough to pay for this boondoggle! So, it means increases in taxes (you have to pay for it!). it is simple math.
by democracy1 August 12, 2009 8:44 PM EDT
Plus he says he created his own wealth by starting his own company anyway.
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