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June 7, 2009 11:45 AM

Axelrod: Concerns About Gitmo Detainees Becoming "Martyrs"

Senior White House advisor David Axelrod said that should Guantanamo detainees be allowed to plead guilty, avoid trial and possibly receive the death sentence, as The New York Times reported Saturday, there are concerns the U.S. would be allowing criminals to "martyr themselves."

Appearing on CBS News' Face The Nation Sunday, Axelrod said "grave concerns" had been raised about such a possibility, and that because discussions at the White House are still ongoing, President Obama has not made a decision on the matter.

(CBS)
Axelrod (left) was also asked about President Obama's speech in Cairo last week and his call for Israel to stop settlement building in Gaza. He said he was happy with the foreign reaction.

"One of the most heartening things about the speech was the kind of reaction that it got across the region, from Arab leaders, from Israeli President Shimon Peres and others in Israel," he said.

Guest moderator Harry Smith noted that Israeli prime minister Bibi Netanyahu did not support a halt to settlements, and Axelrod admitted that the peace process is "difficult."

Axelrod also predicted major healthcare reform will be accomplished this summer, and while he admitted it would be expensive, he warned of far worse if action isn't taken.

"If we don't do health care reform, if we don't get costs under control, if we don't reform the system, then we will have a fiscal disaster in the future," he reasoned.

Axelrod also said there are signs of progress in the economy, and that the stimulus plan is just gaining "momentum."

He said he would not pre-judge the impact of the latest stimulus plan and would not say whether President Obama will have to go back to Congress to ask for more money.


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    by stn_sage June 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT
    None of these guys are going to get the death penalty. Who is Axelroach trying to kid?
    Posted by randomlybanned at 6:16 PM : Jun 7, 2009
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    AGREED! I think you are correct in your assumption!
    To give these prisoners the death penalty---in light of how
    they were apprehended, mistreated in custody, and denied
    coherent legal rights---WOULD ABSOLUTELY make
    martyrs out of them---if in fact, someone in the Middle East
    does NOT already see them as such!
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    by randomlybanned June 7, 2009 9:16 PM EDT
    None of these guys are going to get the death penalty. Who is Axelroach trying to kid?
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    by stn_sage June 7, 2009 9:01 PM EDT
    President Axelrod at work while Obama makes tourism abroad. This regime is really funny.
    Posted by j-whitman2010 at 4:20 PM : Jun 7, 2009
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    You seem to have a problem with David Axelfrod speaking for President Obama---hence, your ridicule!

    But how is this any different than Karl Rove, Andy Card, or Josh Bolton speaking for Mr. Bush?!

    The point is: no president can be everywhere, all the time, speaking about everything! Staff people are used to 'fill in' when the president is not available!

    Obviously, staff people aren't mind-readers and don't usually know exactly what the president really thinks at any given moment! That level of precision is not to be expected by the public. However---

    IF you don't like what Mr. Axelrod has to say---do what I do---don't watch him! That way, you don't waste your time!
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    by stn_sage June 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT
    The whole "detainee" situation was bungled by Bush and Cheney from the very beginning!

    By refusing to try them as either civilians or military personnel under existing law, and then making new law up not recognized by the courts or the public, these PRISONERS were made martyrs from the onset of this Bush-Cheney disaster!!

    Over the YEARS these men have been held, most of them have been found innocent of the charges against them!!

    So, the real question is: when and how quickly can those remaining in Guantanamo be released---ending one of the biggest legal embarrassments in U.S. history?!

    Solution: 'Kit them out' and release them where you found
    them.
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    by PVperson2 June 7, 2009 6:42 PM EDT
    There's always Cheney's preferred method, just kill them, isn't it just wonderful to hear the depravity of that man's mind.
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    by dkhorse11 June 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
    They won't (or can't) be martyred if they are sent on those rickety Cuban rafts that rarely make it to America. Send them adrift into the open seas and let nature take its course. If they make it, OK, SuperMax isolation,(no contact with anyone). If not, I guess no hears from them again, Yeah!
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    by 1notrub11 June 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
    It may turn out that any plans the detainees have to become martyrs may fall on deaf ears - at least some places

    See: www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20090605/AS.Pakistan/

    Looks like the "subjects" are finding the way they are being treated by their "leadership and police" to be getting old. If you are a Taliban in Pakistan, you might want to watch your back.
    Reply to this comment
    by McHineguy June 7, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
    If they want to plead guilty, then give them "life". That will really mess up their "martyr" plans.
    Posted by DefendLiberty at 11:53 AM : Jun 7, 2009

    And where exactly will they be serving out these life terms?
    Posted by rational_1 at 1:56 PM : Jun 7, 2009

    I have an idea!! How about serving their life terms at GITMO. Tell them before they enter the pleas so they know what they are signing up for.
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    by rational_1 June 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT
    If they want to plead guilty, then give them "life". That will really mess up their "martyr" plans.
    Posted by DefendLiberty at 11:53 AM : Jun 7, 2009

    And where exactly will they be serving out these life terms?
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    by mysteriousjz June 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
    The whole detainee drama is just to tame the world. There are millions of people specially in Middle East who think, behave, and live like the ones in detention. US just captured few poster boys in order to deter million others. Unfortunately, it has backfired. US is in mor etrouble than it was before. There are more terrorists, more violence and more bombing now than had been ever in the history of human kind.

    What I am saying is the so called "detainee terrorists" are common man and would probably doing "resistence" a just cause against Bush's hectoring and bullying the world. There is so much resentment already built that it would take a miracle to repair the damage, if ever possible.
    Reply to this comment
    by DefendLiberty June 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
    If they want to plead guilty, then give them "life". That will really mess up their "martyr" plans.
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    by ramos1129 June 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
    We created the mess about the Gitmo detainees and it is up to us to cure the problem. For the neocom right wingers who will object to this post and others like it.

    Answer me this - We started with about 940 detainees. Around 240 detainees are still at Gitmo. Of these 240, 61 have been found innocent and are awaiting release. Five have been found guilty. This leaves about 174 yet to be tried.
    Of these 174, many are bound to be found innocent. Yet folks like Cheney and the like have been saying for years that all 940 were hard core, worst of the worst terrorists.

    Question: If all 761 were found innocent, what earthly use is the Gitmo detainsion center to anyone except the terrorists who continue to use it in their recuriting efforts.
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    by arcticredrvr June 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
    There is another even stronger reason why Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and the other tortured men should not be allowed to simply plead guilty.

    First, under torture, KSM confessed to every wild accusation his interrogators' fevered imaginations could dream up. He may even have dreamed up additional plots to confess to, to exploit his interrogators lack of professionalism. The foolish Bush administration took all these tortured confessions and denunciations at face value. A massive amount of limited counter-terrorism resources has been wasted, and continue to be wasted, triggered by these false confessions.

    Public safety requires halting using counter-terrorism resources against threats triggered by tortured confessions, when those tortured confessions can't withstand sanity checking.

    The counter-terrorism-industrial complex proved unable to bring any meaningful sanity checking to the confessions. The public's hope that meaningful sanity checking will be applied to the confessions lies in fair, open, transparent trials -- traditional trials where the evidence will be exposed to open and transparent cross-examination.
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    by gemhudson June 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
    When hyper-inflating the dollar to monetize this debt to China, our credit rating crash but does anybody have an extra 8 trillion to loan U.S.? Appearently we are owing the rest of those third world losers more than a good living.

    Not only monetizing the debt but hyper-inflating to bail out an already crash credit rating and hyper-inflating more to pay for the universal health care crash the dollar. The common currency no longer pay their bills and the states are coming up with each of their own conscript policy or they can pay down the debt by cutting them off.

    In the temple of self seekers promoter, they are up **** creek.
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