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May 26, 2009 2:12 PM

Support Grows For Same-Sex Marriage

(CBS)
The California Supreme Court today ruled that Proposition 8, the ballot measure passed by voters in November that effectively banned same-sex marriage in the state, is Constitutional.

Despite the measure and ruling, however, recent polling shows that support for same-sex marriage in the state appears to be growing. A Field Poll released in March finds that 45 percent of California voters say gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to marry. This number is up from 36 percent in 2006. Another third (34 percent) now support civil unions. (See graphic above.)

California Democrats (58 percent), women (50 percent), liberals (80 percent), younger voters, and those who know a person who is gay or lesbian are more likely to back same-sex marriage.

This poll also asks a similar question offering just two options: “Do you approve or disapprove of California allowing homosexuals to marry members of their own sex and have regular marriage laws apply to them?

In this instance opinions are more divided, with 49 percent of California voters who approve, while 44 percent disapprove. The Field Poll has been asking this question since 1977. Back then, only 28 percent favored permitting homosexuals to marry and most - 59 percent - disapproved.

While all eyes may be on California today, there are two blue states on the east coast where pivotal decisions on same-sex marriage may soon be made: New York and New Jersey. In New York, the State Assembly recently passed a bill legalizing same-sex marriage by a vote of 89-52 and the State Senate is expected to take up a measure before their legislative session ends in June. In the Garden State, the state legislature may act on the issue before the end of the year.

In both New York and New Jersey, the Quinnipiac Poll finds four in 10 voters favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry: 40 percent in New York and 42 percent in New Jersey. Another three in ten back civil unions. Roughly two in ten in both states favor no legal recognition.

The Quinnipiac Poll also asked a question on same-sex marriage offering just two options: “Would you support or oppose a law that would allow same-sex couples to get married?”

On this question New York voters are split, with 46 percent in support and 46 percent opposed. New Jersey voters are slightly more in favor of marriage for same-sex couples: 49 percent support it while 43 percent are against it.

As same-sex marriage becomes legal in more states (it is currently legal in five), support for it nationwide has also increased. According to a CBS News/New York Times Poll released in April, 42 percent of Americans think same-sex couples should be permitted to marry, the highest since CBS News starting asking about it in 2004, when just 22 percent said it was okay for gay and lesbians to marry. Another quarter of Americans now back civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, while 28 percent do not think there should be legal recognition of a same-sex couple’s relationship.

(CBS)
Support for same-sex marriage has increased among nearly all demographic groups over the last five years. Today liberals are one of the strongest backers of same-sex marriage, with 69 percent in favor of permitting it. In March 2004, just 41 percent of liberals supported the idea.

Fifty-two percent of Democrats now think gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry, compared to 28 percent five years ago. There has even been an uptick in support among Republicans and conservatives, with about twice as many supporting the idea now (18 percent of Republicans and 24 percent of conservatives) than five years ago (10 percent of both Republicans and conservatives). Majorities of these two groups still do not approve of legally recognizing same-sex relationships, however.

Higher numbers of both men and women approve of same-sex marriage today, but more women (45 percent) than men (38 percent) continue to favor permitting it which was also the case in 2004.

Some opponents of marriage between gay and lesbian couples have argued that same-sex marriage is a threat to traditional marriage between a man and woman, but a nationwide Quinnipiac Poll conducted last month finds that most Americans (58 percent) disagree with that sentiment.

According to that same poll, however, fewer than half of Americans (45 percent) say that not allowing same-sex couples to marry amounts to discrimination. A slim majority (51 percent) disagrees.



Jennifer De Pinto is manager of election and survey information for CBS News. Poll Positions is weekly Hotsheet feature on polling trends from the CBS News Survey and Polling Unit. Click here for more posts from the series.
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by hungry1968-15 May 26, 2009 10:43 PM EDT
36,000,000 Californians. 18,000 are of the same gender and wish to partner.

All people want to do is fight for these 18,000 - despite the greater issues in California that affect a few more* than just 18,000 people?

Posted by hypnotoad72 at 5:31 PM : May 26, 2009





If that's all that's going to be affected, then why not just legalize it and get it over with?

Why keep fighting, what is inevitably going to happen anyway?
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by hypnotoad72 May 26, 2009 8:31 PM EDT
36,000,000 Californians. 18,000 are of the same gender and wish to partner.

All people want to do is fight for these 18,000 - despite the greater issues in California that affect a few more* than just 18,000 people?

* try 36 million...

What a waste of money. Worse, if anybody remembers Roseanne from 2005 or so, she stated gay people were narcissistic because the famous ones only talked about *their* cause, as if nothing else existed. She was right then and it seems she still is now.

The state of CA, never mind the country or the world, is going kaput, and people just want to bicker over a small half-handful of people getting "married" instead of going for equal rights partnerships?

I may be bi, but I stopped fighting for trifles a long time ago. So many things affect so many more people. You can call me a narcissist for saying "I" so many times, but I am in word what so many more are in action and in reality. Sorry to think about more encompassing issues, folks.
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by hughesdv May 26, 2009 8:08 PM EDT
I'm not threatened at all. I resent someone calling it a marriage. I am very tired of the vocal minority demanding they get their way because they will be pissy until they do."

Number One (all respect meant), minorities are always the vocal minority, because uhm, they are minorities. The majority, kind sir, does not get to dtermine the constitutional rights of others. Like it or not the 14th amendment does guarentee equal protection and whether or not it makes you feel icky is irrelevant. When you used your porn analogy (minors) you violated my rule, consenting adults. Once your a consenting adult with another consenting adult you are not violating any law. People fought interracial marriage as well as interfaith marriages. Are you offended when secular athiests who believe in adoption and not reproduction get married? Are they not scorned in the eyes of your god.

Again the word when equated with state rights and benefits becomes dereligionalized in the eyes of the constitution. Again, your church can reject a ceremony but the government official is not allowed to discriminating according to the 14th. Its coming pal, so you better adopt.


Plus get to know a gay person, I promise they won't hit on you or your wife, they will not talk dirty, they wont molest your kid. Those people are usually straight. They are honestly just people, some good some bad and some ugly. Try to see behind your secret wall of prejudice, you can hate in your home, you can hate in your church, you can;t hate witht he aid of the gov.

peace.
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by hoseobama May 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
Torture statistics enough and they will confess to anything.

"If you are threatened by homosexuals and gay marriage I think you have bigger problems." - hughesdv


I'm not threatened at all. I resent someone calling it a marriage. I am very tired of the vocal minority demanding they get their way because they will be pissy until they do.

It would seem that a great deal of people also like to look at porn on the web, and every so often we have well known folks get arrested for looking at underage porn, and storing it on their computers.

So, what's to say THEY should have their "rights" abridged ? What happens if THEY come out of the closet in large numbers ? I mean, they have been this way all of their lives right ? They didn't CHOOSE to be lusting after minors, right ?

And, then it will it be having sex with the pooch next, or horses, or snakes...


But, hey, I don't care what you do. Just don't call it a marriage, because that forces me to accept it as the norm, when it isn't.
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by skyk-2009 May 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
There is NO support for this where I live. And all polls can be skewed.
Posted by Hermit1948 at 1:07 PM : May 26, 2009


Your point? LOL It's not like you and those you live with haven't been here before! LOL IF you had an education you'd KNOW you and those like you end up in this position every other Generation. Totally blind and about to become Irrelevant!!
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by skyk-2009 May 26, 2009 7:45 PM EDT
Why can I marry my cat?
Posted by Libertarian1776 at 1:35 PM : May 26, 2009

Couldn't quite get out of that 5th grade there could you? LOL That's about where you would have to be MENTALLY to know you couldn't have a binding contract with your CAT! Wow! LOL Go Back to school...educate yourself. LOL
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by skyk-2009 May 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT
I don't know where you're taking the polls at but the majority of Americans find them sick and are agianst their marriage. Of course liberals are the strongest backers because they have no morals or ethics. Liberals are against waterboarding but support abortion (the killing of innocent babies). You show me a liberal with morals, ethics, and the ability to think and I'll show you someone who will get kicked out of the Democratic Party. Bill Clinton is the poster child for the Dems not having morals or ethics. The poster shows Bill and Monica in the Oval office together (she's taking dictation).
Posted by enjoylife63 at 12:52 PM : May 26, 2009

Those TERRIBLE OLD Liberals!! How dare them take away YOUR hate issue! What is wrong with you people? What business is it of YOURS? Haven't YOU and your Religion gotten us into big enough a mess?
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by skyk-2009 May 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT
Polls are like science. They can be swayed to show the results required for any group. Polls like science are also used to browbeat the public into either believing their results or sitting quietly by the wayside.
Posted by debinok1 at 3:24 PM : May 26, 2009

Polls have historically been pretty accurate on single issues such as this. We most certainly will find out soon enough. I'm sure this issue will be on the ballot and I don't see California going different than all the other states. America is changing and IOWA shows that more than anywhere. The State Supreme Court ruled that Same Sex Marriage had to be allowed and there was no big uprising at all. It's just moving across the country that people are tired of the hate and wedge issues. The attack on 9/11, I believe, drove home the point of how BAD Government and Religion mixing really is!!
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by debinok1 May 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT
Polls are like science. They can be swayed to show the results required for any group. Polls like science are also used to browbeat the public into either believing their results or sitting quietly by the wayside.
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by hughesdv May 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
Geography really counts here. I've traveled around and yes it is true that there are places where the majority of its population does not agree with gay marriage. I also live in a bug city and almost everyone I know supports at least civil unions. Much of this can be attributed to exposure. Homosexuals do not come out and live openly in closed parts of the country, they move to the city.

With gays living there lives around us, we find out that they are our friends, neighbors and relatives. I always ask people who argue its a choice and not natural, "Did you choose to be straight? Did you weigh the option of homosexuality, or did you just know?" If the answer is you born the way you are, then they were to.

The 14th amendment states NO STATE shall deny its citizens equal protection....... This is not up for a vote. And no its not like marrying your cat or marrying four people. In our declaration of ind. it states a fundamental, natural right to pursue happiness. Living your life with a partner and reaping in the benfits that heterosexuals enjoy is constitutional and American.

If you are threatened by homosexuals and gay marriage I think you have bigger problems. And if you bring up God I will throw up the first amendment. Noone is going to make your gay bashing church marry gays, we are talking about the state, you know the one which is not supposed to discriminate, even if the bible tells them so.

The only rules. Two people. Consenting. Otherwise folks, its none of your business. Period.

How would you like your rights up for a vote?

Sincerely,

A married man with two kids and a 14 year old marriage that is not threatened by boys kissing boys. I am more threatened by hate, war, poverty and the economy.

Don;t Republicans believe in a less invasive government? One which guards rights and personal freedom? Oh, thats just when it comes to your wallet........
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by stickdog3 May 26, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
Have any of you been contacted by these polling people on this or any issue since you've walked this earth? Do you know of anyone whose ever been contacted by these people? What you don't know is, they could have asked just 5 people this question, hmmmm? And than they put this on the news and spin it to seem like the majority opposes the courts decision. Why do they try to deceive you? How many of you believe in Adam & Steve? How will mankind survive? Will there be Octo-dads now? Will they march to the fertility specialist in droves now? Will being a surrogate mother be the new in thing to do to get money? When that child go to school and its time for PTA meetings whose going to get introduced as the father? Why put a child thru that? Kids are cruel in school, they're relentless, aren't they? How many of you are familiar with the case in New Jersey about 2 months ago where this kid about 13 I think hanged his self at his house because of relentless bullying by other students because of his feminine ways? Very sad case that was, the mother said she never asked her son was he gay? He couldn't handle that constant every day ridicule. That same scenario could happen again, always think down the road, 5, 10, 15 years down the road and the consequences of your actions, mankind has to thrive and go on it has to be able to reproduce and replenish, naturally. Human evolution will shrug this period in our time off however it always does. Theres always going to be some oddities in that evolution however, for instance something we take for granted now had never been seen by humans. What am I talking about - blue eyes. From the first human who evolved outside of Ethopia some 3 million years ago up until about I might be wrong on the actual number but I think up until 5000 years ago, every human being who was born up to that time had brown eyes. Every One! The first blue eyed baby was born somewhere in Northern Europe close to Russia around the aforementioned time, that babys ancestors number in the millions now. So every now and than human evolution strays off the beaten path and something new comes along, so lets keep it to suff like changing eye colors, or broader noses. Not something that threatens to end humanity as we know it.
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by hungryman9 May 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
I don't believe any of these polls My son travels this entire country in his business and he says he never meets anyone for same sex marriage. Back in the 90's I had a cousin that worked for gallop poll (now deseased) and one day back then she sit and told my wife and I how the polls are done. They swing it any way they want to. If they want to go a certain way they pick out certain territories. The best poll you can get is at the barber shop and beauty shops.
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by Libertarian1776 May 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
Why can I marry my cat?
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by Hermit1948 May 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
There is NO support for this where I live. And all polls can be skewed.
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