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April 19, 2009 12:52 PM

"No Legal Rationale" To Hide Torture Memos

A senior White House official defended the release of previously-classified torture memos last week, saying there was no legal rationale for keeping them secret.

The Justice Department documents, which the Obama administration simultaneously released and repudiated on Thursday, provided the legal cover the Bush administration sought for committing torture against detainees held by the CIA. The documents provide grim details about the abuse that was used against terror suspects — procedures which many claim violate international law but which some former administration officials (including Vice President Dick Cheney) continue to defend. ( The memos can be read here.)

On CBS News' Face The Nation, White House Senior Advisor David Axelrod said that many details in the memos had already been revealed, and that there was no credence to the argument that their release would help terrorist by letting them know what was is in store for them if captured.

"It is not what is going to happen to them," Axelrod said, because President Obama "banned these enhanced interrogation techniques.

"The truth is that, because these were in the public domain, because even the last administration has revealed the most serious aspects of this, and because the president has banned these techniques, there was no legal rationale for keeping them classified.

"The New York Review Books had a full catalogue of these techniques that were given to the International Red Cross through testimony," Axelrod added (referring to a recently-disclosed report on detainee abuse). "The CIA may believe that al Qaeda doesn't read the New York Review of Books, but I suspect they know what's going on."

"These techniques, far from improving our security, became a recruiting and propaganda tool for al Qaeda and extremists," he added. "We are moving past all of that."

Axelrod also said that those involved in the torture of prisoners, who were advised that the techniques were legal, should not be prosecuted.

This morning a New York Times editorial called for the impeachment of Jay Bybee, a former assistant attorney general who authored the memos giving political cover for torture. Bybee is now a federal judge.


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    by birdperfect April 26, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
    For years i have hoped and waited for President Bush and Vice President Cheney to be held accountable for the torture they approved, why are you talking about attorneys? We know where the buck stops. They are not even showing any remorse, let the investigations begin and if they are found guilty let them be punished, that is what we are about, right, the rule of law?? Remember anyone in the world can charge them with war crimes, let's clean our own house.
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    by Leepaine April 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
    Never underestimate the power of the American press. Had they been so endowed during the American revolutionary war, they would have exposed all tactical maneuvers and we would have lost to our enemy. Exposure of torture, good or bad, by America will result in enemy retaliation against both our armed forces and civilians as well. The blood of Americans is on the head of the American press, which has beome too proud, too fat and too greedy to use wisdom.
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    by kinzigtal April 23, 2009 5:09 AM EDT
    Sehr geehrter Herr Axelrod,

    einige von uns besuchen gelegentlich die Seite der ''The New York Times'', landen auch bei der ''New York Times Best Seller list'' und stellten ebenso wie Sie fest, dass einige Titel von Folter handeln.

    Neben diesen gefragten Büchern empfiehlt sich insbesondere auch ein Titel, der die gesamte Amtsperiode George W. Bushs überspannt, wie z. B. Schier, Steven E. Panorama of a Presidency. How George W. Bush Acquired and Spent His Political Capital. New York: M. E. Sharpe, 2009.

    Am Mittwoch begann der Prozeß gegen die vier mutmaßlichen Terroristen der sogenannten Sauerland-Gruppe (Fritz Gelowicz, Daniel Schneider, Attila Selek, Adem Yilmaz) vor dem Oberlandesgericht Düsseldorf.

    Die Wahl zum 17. Deutschen Bundestag findet am 27. September 2009 statt.

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen
    Al Hafidh Abu Talha der Deutsche
    al-Qaeda
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    by darknessesedge April 23, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
    and if we ever have another terrorists attack on the USA and it could have been avoided by a little waterboarding...what will obama say then?
    Reply to this comment
    by bpai99 April 21, 2009 3:13 AM EDT
    Get over this crap about a "higher moral standard" for the US. When all is said and done, the US is best at whatever it chooses to do. I take pride in being able to say to any citizen of any other country "our torturers are better than yours."
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    by mattcat25 April 20, 2009 10:34 AM EDT
    Republicans have a strange a distorted view on death, killing, and war. I don't believe that torture is really an issue to for them it seems that it is more of a pleasure.
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    by abbe91 April 20, 2009 9:20 AM EDT
    ....again, this president thinks nothing about disclosing classified information...
    Posted by credibility2 at 2:10 PM : Apr 19, 2009

    The president has the right to declassify whatever he pleases. The question was, can the vice-president do it as well ? and out a CIA front (Brewster-Jennings) for political purpose ?
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    by shameonbush April 20, 2009 2:26 AM EDT
    It's really too bad that there is any such report. I cannot believe that the USA has resorted to and legalized torture.
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    by babooph April 19, 2009 11:12 PM EDT
    The whaco right -loving their torture by the govt. are too dumb to see the new non white,non Christian govt we are going to be in PERMANENTLY...would likely torture them !!!!
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    by gold_standard April 19, 2009 10:11 PM EDT
    Its important to release the details of the methods of torture the government has at its disposal. It engenders fear in the minds of the citizenry if they understand what the government can and will do to them if they get out of line. In the end, it reduces the number of people that will need to be tortured because most people will toe the line if they know what might happen to them.
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    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 9:51 PM EDT
    "A principle, sacrificed, is rarely resurrected."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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    by stn_sage April 19, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
    Those memos DO NOT endanger the United States!

    What they do is show that Bush, Cheney, Hayden, Yoo, and others, BROKE THE LAW!

    If I was them, I'd be worried about it, too!

    The only people endangered in the U.S. as a result of the
    release of these memos, are the law-breakers mentioned in them and linked to them! Those previously mentioned.

    The rest of us have nothing to worry about, other than any
    future law-breaking by elected public officials!!!
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    by formrusmcsgt April 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT
    "there was no legal rationale for keeping them classified. "
    ----
    Yet, Michael Hayden, former CIA chief and partisan $lut, denounced the release saying the new president has compromised national security.
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    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT
    "...Those memos detailed the rules and regulations the intense intel gathering methodology used. They detailed how doctors had to be on hand to assure the prisoners safety, how psychiatrists had to be on hand to assure they didn't go too far!...."
    Rowdy106


    "We expect monsters to torture and murder, for that is their nature.

    We expect Americans to be just and humane, for that is our nature."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
    "....They should be more worried about federal or international prosecution. After all, Nazis are still being hunted down...."
    steeepe


    Indeed fellow patriot.

    It is to America's shame that we will no longer uphold our own commitment to justice and liberty, but to our pride that we at least passed it on to others, before rejecting it ourselves.
    ST


    "And so together we shared the fate of all the failed democracies before us, joining those pitiful beings who had held the light of freedom in one hand, and put it out with the other."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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    by steeepe April 19, 2009 7:55 PM EDT
    The GOP and the ex-CIA chief are all up in arms because their "secret" tactics were exposed. What a laughable bunch of idiots. They should be more worried about federal or international prosecution. After all, Nazis are still being hunted down....
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    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
    "....Found guilty of Treason and War Crimes, hanging (or other sentence of death), has been historically ordered and administered...."
    veteran71


    And has historically often been wrong, which is the only reason I'm against capital punishment fellow patriot, not because I have any moral objection to it.

    I believe evil should be killed, whenever we find it.

    But the record of history has shown that we are incapable of objectively identifying it, and quite often, given moments, hours, days, years, or decades, or longer, discover we were wrong.

    Therefore life in prison is our only logical and humane alternative.

    But of course, I believe Bush, and all the Republicans and Democrats who joined with him, should be justly tried for treason, and if found guilty, justly punished.

    By life in prison.
    ST


    "There is great danger in calling a thing evil, equaled only by the ignorance of it. Therefore let our judgments withstand the passions of our time, and endear the admiration of our future."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 7:31 PM EDT
    "....Wow, you are like that guy in Iran I am a nut job the elections went well for Obama and his approval rating is still in the 60 percent range and you are already thinking that he will lose the white house...."
    antoniof123


    Fellow citizen, Obama's overt failure to fulfill any of his campaign promises, most importantly his failure to restore our Constitutional government, and then protect those who have subverted it, has left him with a greatly diminished, and continually diminishing, base of support.

    In fact, his major base now consists not of non-partisan voters such as myself, but simply those still in brace of his cult of personality.

    And unfortunately history shows us that such personality cults can only be defeated by time, and the catastrophes they always bring down upon their people.

    So instead of supporting Obama, or any politician, I would in its place advise supporting our Constitution.
    ST


    "The approach was from behind, vanquishing as we squabbled."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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    by antoniof123 April 19, 2009 7:15 PM EDT
    So, there will be NO COMPLAINTS when the Obama administration memos are released four years from now.....
    Posted by whosaid1 at 4:06 PM : Apr 19, 2009

    Wow, you are like that guy in Iran I am a nut job the elections went well for Obama and his approval rating is still in the 60 percent range and you are already thinking that he will lose the white house.

    Hey buddy I got news for you if he just does a little better than the village idiot the GOP will lose again and agine for that mistake.

    I think you had better start listening to America rather than the nut jobs in the GOP like Rush, Sean, and Glen.
    Reply to this comment
    by searingtruth April 19, 2009 7:09 PM EDT
    "If only we could turn back time, before madness gripped us."
    SearingTruth

    A Future of the Brave
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