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April 12, 2009 12:10 PM

Mexico: U.S. Supplies 90% Of Cartel's Guns

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Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan argued against doubts raised by the National Rifle Association that ninety percent of all assault weapons seized in northern Mexican originate from the United States.

The key issue, Sarukhan reiterated on CBS News' on Face The Nation Sunday, is to stop the flow of U.S. firearms and cash, “which is providing drug cartels in Mexico with the wherewithal to corrupt, to bribe, to kill.

“Ninety percent of all weapons we are seizing in Mexico, Bob, are coming from across the United States,” he said, citing the high number of Federal firearms licenses a few miles north of the border. "Just on the Arizona and Texas borders with Mexico alone there are approximately 7,000 FFLs, federal firearms licensees. And weapons bought by the drug syndicates, directly or proxy purchases, are coming from those gun shops."

Schieffer noted that the NRA has taken issue with the statistic, and asked the ambassador where the data originates – a question Sarukhan did not directly answer, although he used the example of a recent weapons seizure in a border town to explain how much ammunition U.S. sellers are directing to drug cartels.

“We seized more than 250 assault weapons and half-a-million rounds of ammo, these have just crossed over the border,” he explained. “By tracing back these weapons, by looking at the type of weapons, we determined that most of these weapons are coming from the United States.”

Pushed by Schieffer about how Mexican authorities can be so sure the majority of the weapons originated in the States, Sarukhan said through research with AFT they discovered that most the grenades are coming from Guatemala, while most of the assault weapons come from the United States.

Schieffer asked if the ambassador would support the U.S. reinstating the ban on assault weapons.

“The assault weapons ban ran out in 2004, Bob,” he said, “and since then we have seen a rise of assault weapons being seized in Mexico.

“There is a direct correlation between the expiration of the assault weapons ban and our seizures of assault weapons,” he argued.

Sarukhan admitted that the Mexican government cannot determine how Congress and the Obama administration would move on the ban, but he did say that reinstating the ban “is one of the instruments … that could have a profound impact on the number and the caliber of weapons doing down to Mexico."


More from Face The Nation (4.12.09):
  • Mexican Official: U.S. Needs To Work With Us
  • Schieffer Commentary: Having Faith In The Power Of Love
  • Read The Complete Transcript (pdf)


    To watch Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan discuss the violent drug war raging on the U.S.-Mexico border, click on the video player below.



    To watch a roundtable discussion of America's international role with the Washington Post's Rajiv Chandrasekaran, David Sanger of The New York Times and Syndicated Columnist Kathleen Parker, click on the video player below.

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    by nottellin1 June 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT
    I do beleive that 90% of guns in Mex come from the US, brought to Mexico by returning (good, hard working, lovable) illegal aliens!
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    by truthhurtz April 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
    This ?90%? statistic being thrown around by Obama, Holder, and the press on both sides of the border is a tortured statistic to say the least. The LA Times did a solid write up on the issue of weapons in Mexico and most of the hardware is obtained from countries other than the U.S.; Guatemala being a huge contributor to the mess. There have been HUGE weapons caches and a narco-training base discovered near the Mexico and Guatemala border.

    While straw purchases in U.S. is a SMALL source of guns it is not the main source of weapons for the Mexican narcos. There are extremely corrupt elements in the Mexican government that are able to legitimately purchase arms on the open market directly from arms manufactures across the globe. (see the links below for the related articles).

    Another half-truth that is tossed around by Mexican politicians, journalists and the media is that ?the expiration of the 'assault weapons' ban in 2004 has caused an increase in the violence in the Mexican narco-war?. This is false since the AW ban went after 2 things; "military style features" like: a flash-hider (with a threaded muzzle crown), collapsible stock, bayonet lug and detachable magazines over 10 rounds. Many manufacturers offered 'featureless' ARs and AKs during the AW ban years that complied with the letter of the AW ban. Hence theses "dreaded weapons" were available from 1994-2004. Also, there were many 20 and 30 round magazines that were manufactured prior to the ban that were grandfathered in under the law.

    The AWB expiration is an easy target for politicians on both sides of the border to point at as the "cause" vs. challenging Mexico's utterly corrupt system and the U.S. illicit drug consumption.

    Despite the protests of Mexican journalists and politicians, Mexico has been a quasi-failed state for decades and the U.S. is a massive consumer of illicit drugs. When the Mexican government is willing and able to curb its culture of corruption and stop consuming the cartel money to stay in power only then will real change happen. The same is true for American consumption of drugs; the war on drugs and eradication efforts have largely failed, it?s time to take a hard look at alternatives, perhaps we need to go as far as legalizing drugs.

    Changing U.S. gun laws in the U.S. is NOT the answer to addressing this complex issue.


    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15,0,229992.story


    http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2009/04/private-sector-arms-sales-mexico-sparsely-monitored-state-department
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    by TroubledPatriot April 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
    It has been proved that the 90% figure is a complete fabrication. Secondly, the photograph displayed of "captured" weapons revealed hand grenades, launching type 40mm grenades, M203 grenade launchers, etc. These are not available at Wal-Mart, sorry. The problem in Mexico is corruption, the drug dealers have so much money I doubt they are bothering to obtain weapons via the US market, they don't have to, they can bribe their own government for them.
    The news media is completely losing its credibility and
    simply propagating one sided viewpoints. I think we need to open a discussion on abridging First Amendment rights if speech is not based on facts and truth, then we'll discuss amendment the second, let's try that.
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    by skoobiedo April 19, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
    It is unfortunate and disingenuous that the media continues to repeat that 90 percent of these guns come from the USA. BATF recently testified that they have no idea where this number came from, but that it represents a complete falsehood with regards to the problem on the border. It was later discovered that the number "90 percent" came from the number of weapons that are traceable. This traceable number represents a very small fraction of the total number of guns. It's propaganda folks! Plain, but not simple.
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    by April 19, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
    after listening to the good Gov from Penn this morning it makes me realize that maybe we should limit other of our rights... after the second is merely the second amendment why don't we start with the 1st and limit the media on what they can report because in some of the reports they put evil thoughts in peoples minds. or maybe we should begin to allow soldiers to be quartered in peoples homes like they were by the British over 200 years ago. Or maybe we should just tax everyone at a rate of 100% and give them a monthly allowance to live on because people are unable to think for themselves. most of the people that read this will see it for what it is and that is a sarcastic way to show the silliness of the argument itself. once we start allowing government to dictate to us what we can and cannot do then more and more of our rights will fall... I served in the military and did serve in combat so I understand the cost of freedom... and the cost is not free, when we fail to fight for any single persons rights then we will soon lose ours as well...
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    by dabberdan22 April 18, 2009 10:39 PM EDT
    say NO to the new world order. 90% A. will I have seen the weapons that they "have" and none of those can we buy at any pawn shop (m -16 A1, M203 rounds, M67 hand grenade that are shown on TV)I have been too. the weapons they have are military grade (maybe CIA giving too them, look up "freeway ricky ross") but ant no illegel mexican coming into the USA trying to buy this... obama and drug cartel have 1 thing in comin " don't make marry J legel" (I hear 60 to 80% is from that) its all part of the illuminati trying to control us wake up sheepel.. email me back at dabberdan22@yahoo.com if you wish to know more and wake up
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    by ryindy April 18, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
    I know the claim is a myth. You know the claim is a myth. Others that watch News other than CBS knows it's a myth. Yet knowing the claim is a myth doesn't make it a myth unless you have some one to spread the myth.

    Fox News article of April 2, preceeds Bob Schieffer's show of April 12. Schieffer's credibility is going south.

    See the Fox News article : The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/
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    by johninpennsyl April 16, 2009 8:11 PM EDT
    Google Arturo Sarukhan,his grandfather was a commie.The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
    Why don't Mr.Commie Gun Grabber disarm the Mexicans?
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    by releggneh1 April 16, 2009 7:04 PM EDT
    THEY ARE SAYING 90% OF THE WEAPONS ARE COMING FROM THE US. THAT IS COMPLETELY WRONG. THERE HAS BEEN 5100 GUNS CONFISCATED AND 2100 GUNS ARE TRACED BACK TO THE US, THE OTHERS ARE COMING FROM S AMERICA & MEXICO ITSELF. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRACEABLE GUNS. BUT WITH OUR POUROUS BORDERS WHY CAN'T THEY BUY GUNS IN THE US & TAKE THEM BACK TO MEXICO? THEY FINALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THESE ILLEGALS COMING IN WEATHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!!! SO THAT MEANS 18-19% COMING FROM THE US AND NOT 90%
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    by releggneh1 April 16, 2009 6:58 PM EDT
    I have one thing to add to this article. OBAMA IS REPORTING THAT 90% OF THE GUNS BEING CONFISCATED IN MEXICO ARE FROM THE US WHICH IS NOT TRUE!! THE TRACEABLE ONES ARE FROM THE US. THERE HAS BEEN 28000 GUNS AND OUT OF THOSE 5100 HAVE BEEN TRACED TO THE US. THE OTHERS ARE COMING FROM SOUTH AMERICA & MEXICO ITSELF. WHICH MEANS IF THEY SHUT THE POROUS BORDERS DOWN, THEY WONT BE ABLE TO COME HERE BY THE GUNS & TAKE THEM BACK TO MEXICO. DO YOU THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN? IT IS MUCH EASIER JUST TO SAY WE ARE SUPPLYING THEM WITH THE WEAPONS & WE ARE THE ONES CAUSING THIS BECAUSE WE NEED & WANT THEIR DRUGS!! I SAY BS
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    by cheyenne16-2009 April 16, 2009 5:43 PM EDT
    The key issue, Sarukhan reiterated on CBS News' on Face The Nation Sunday, is to stop the flow of U.S. firearms and cash.

    Stop the guns and the cash from flowing into Mexico. Ok.
    Shut the border down.
    Put the US Military on the border, the only thing that crosses south is illegal Mexican aliens. No tourists, no guns, no cash.
    That includes remittances from the USA.

    Now what will Mexico do to disarm the cartels?
    Taking guns out of the hands of our US citizens, who have the Constitutional right to bear arms since the establishment of this sovereign nation will not end the violence in Mexico.
    By leaving the Mexican cartels armed, our border unsecured, and taking our guns away, it leaves our citizens in the border states defenseless against the murderers who cross the border from Mexico.
    This is a recipe for disaster.

    At some point, someone needs to start using a few brain cells.
    Disarming United States citizens is the LAST thing this nation needs to be doing.

    The problem is, Mexican officials are getting paid from both ends. They get paid from the US to "fight the drug cartels", and they get paid from the drug cartels to keep illegal drugs flowing across the border. The Mexican government aids and abets illegal border crossing, and the smuggling of drugs across that border. And everyone knows it.
    Mexico has an agenda, and it certainly is not for the benefit of any US citizen on this side of the border.
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    by mrduffyf April 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
    Completely CLOSE the border. NO movement north or south.
    Then there won't be any stupid questions.
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    by hwy71so April 14, 2009 8:43 AM EDT
    The liberals think crime is the guns' fault.

    Amazing...
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    by Removeliberalthieves April 14, 2009 8:26 AM EDT
    Our public servants at border state and federal level laid the path for the free unfettered flow of you-name-it in and out of Mexico. That free flow has bankrupted California, created lawlessness along the US border with Mexico, exposed us to tainted food supplies because they are not held to the same environmental standards as US farmers, forced us to pay for medical expenses of illegals who make no contribution to our government in taxes, exposed our citizens to dangerous unvetted Mexican illegals who with too much frequency are killing our citizens, and on and on. With the millions of illegals the Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's have allowed to come and go and now plan to make legal, it is no surprise they returning to Mex with weapons. Outlaws will always have weapons and our public servants are holding the door open for illegals to come and go. These liberal politicians are doing this for financial and political gain. When behavior doesnt make sense, FOLLOW THE MONEY. America wake up, You put thieves at the helm.
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    by 1SG31ZM5 April 14, 2009 3:01 AM EDT
    Someone already posted the fact that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. I only hope that all of the US Citizens that believe in the 2nd Amendment come alive when needed to protect our "Right to Bear Arms".
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    by TexasTsip April 13, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
    I don't really care where the Mexican cartel got the guns. It's not an issue Americans should worry about. It's a Mexican Government issue. The important issue that Americans should concern themselves with is the one that our government will grasp any toehold to commit more unconstitutional and illegal law to the Federal Record. The U.S. Congress, Senate, and Executive Branch of all people should know better. They know straight away what will have to be done to "UNDO" their unconstitutional and illegal lawmaking, although they are thinking it will never happen. It is rather disingenuious of them. I am sure that when the American people finally read the constitution and the bill of rights and figure out what recourse "We the People" have, they will be very angry. I am guessing that our government thinks collectively, that WE are all stupid. By the way folks, WE are NOT a "democratic" form of government. But that point is moot now, isn't it?
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    by jonesjep April 12, 2009 10:51 PM EDT
    I guess the issue with Dan Rather did not produce any integrity in CBS news.
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    by JonBoyOregon April 12, 2009 9:53 PM EDT
    So the self-flagellators have agreed that America "fuels" Mexico's gun wars by having too many guns available and for buying drugs from Mexico. And, Clinton has now generously and officially admitted our collective blame on each of our behalf, with or without our permission.

    The cartels are criminals, thugs that sell drugs to anyone who will buy. The U.S. is close, wealthy, and has a large population. It also has a sizeable number of people who think doing drugs is fine, whether it be pot, coke or ecstacy. This is a liberal culture problem, not a conservative culture problem.

    How about the individuals who are perpetrating he problem on either side of the border being held personally responsible, rather than assailing and assaulting our rights that are granted under the Constitution of the United States?

    We have laws that allow gun ownership, but we don't have thugs taking over cities and regions of our country like they do in Mexico. Mexico has tight gun laws and they still can't handle their own drug gangs. This should give the gun-control "gun nuts" something to think about.

    The criminals will always have their guns. Even if guns are confiscated, the criminals won't give them up and they will get guns even if they have to kill cops to get them. Some of these people should try researching how often guns in the hands of responsible citizens have prevented crime.

    And I'm talking about including the countless times that the mere brandishing of a weapon has prevented a crime, not just the times that shots were fired, a much lesser number which is the only figure that the anti-gun people tend to discuss.
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    by JonBoyOregon April 12, 2009 9:36 PM EDT
    This is an example of the real "gun nuts" (those who are convinced of the inherent evil of guns) pushing logic aside in favor of emotion and what they "know" to be true.

    By this logic, since most deaths in motor vehicles are caused by licensed drivers, we should repeal the privilege to drive, and pull everyone's license to drive.

    Since most plane crashes involve licensed pilots, we need to ground all aircraft and pull everyone's license to fly.

    Since most medical malpractice is perpetrated by licensed medical professionals, we need to quit allowing people to practice medicine, and pull their licenses.
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    by Highlander April 12, 2009 7:58 PM EDT
    And then there's this:
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    "...90% of the guns used by Mexican drug cartels come from the U.S. ..."
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    What the BATFE agent actually _said_ was that 90% of the guns _submitted by the Mexicans_ came from the U.S., but only about 25% of the guns confiscated were referred to the BATFE for trace!
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    A considerably different scenario than the one presented by the MainStream Media!
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    Talk about deception!
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