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April 10, 2009 2:54 PM

Hot Topic: The U.S.-Cuba Relationship

(AP Photo/Geovany Fernandez)
Anytime lawmakers mention the possibility of tweaking government policy toward decades-old national foes, eyebrows are sure to be raised. So it's not surprising that members of the Congressional Black Caucus caught some heat after their recent trip to Havana, where they met with Cuban leaders, including the perpetually ailing Fidel Castro.

During a meeting with three of the lawmakers, the 82-year-old former dictator reportedly asked them this: "How can we help President Obama?" It was certainly an interesting question coming from someone who has clashed with so many of Mr. Obama's predecessors.

Upon her return, the delegation's leader, California Democrat Barbara Lee (seen above with current Cuban president, Raul Castro) expressed confidence in Cuba's "desire to trade with the United States under normal diplomatic and trade relations."

Enter the critics: Republican Reps. Chris Smith of New Jersey and Frank Wolf of Virginia chided the Democratic contingent for ignoring Cuba's history of human rights violations, arguing that the talks would only strengthen an oppressive regime.

"When the tragic plight of political prisoners is ignored, suppressed, devalued or trivialized by visiting politicians, the bullies in the gulags are given a free pass to inflict pain," Smith told reporters Thursday.

But despite the outcry, a shift in America's Cuba policy seem to be well underway.

Already this year, Congress has rolled back a Bush-era tightening of rules on travel by American family members who want to visit their Cuban relatives. The next step could be the further easing of travel restrictions to allow Americans to send more money to their families still on the island and to visit as often as they want – measures the White House is expected to announce as early as this month.

A complete makeover of relations between the two countries could end in the lifting the trade embargo America placed on Cuba 47 years ago – though the Obama administration's current position is to keep the embargo in place.

Whatever the degree of change, it does seem that change is coming. The larger question is this: Can 50 years of distrust on both sides be erased by a series of executive orders and Congressional decrees? And is it wise to try to do so?

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Consider the logic behind a potential policy shift. Those in favor say that decades of isolating the nation economically - while waiting for Fidel Castro to fade into history - simply has not worked. Despite constant rumors of his impending death, Castro remains a prominent national figure. And Cuba, shunned by the U.S., has fostered growing relationships with Venezuela, China and America’s other former Cold War foe, Russia.

Those pushing America to reconsider its Cuba position also think a more proactive approach is the best way to promote democracy.

The U.S. has spent too much time as a "passive observer rather than active supporter of the process of democratization for one of our closest hemispheric neighbors," according to the Cuban American National Foundation, which released a report Thursday advocating a "break from the past" that involves "incremental change" - but not a unilateral lifting of the embargo.

Ctitics of a policy change highlight Cuba's checkered human rights record as the best argument against warmer relations toward the island nation.

In 2005, the United Nations Human Rights Commission released a report that Cuba was holding 306 political prisoners. And in 2003, Cuba arrested 75 dissidents and journalists the country charged with conspiring with the United States to overthrow the government, according to Human Rights Watch.

Critics might also point to the political risk of stirring the strong emotions of Cuban exiles who remain staunch foes of the Castro regime.

"I would open the doors to Cuba," Rodolfo Frometa told the New York Times this week. “But it would be with the use of force to remove the system completely and create a democracy.”

Inflaming the passions of Miami residents like the 64-year-old Fromenta may not be something Florida politicians want to do. And Florida's perennially critical role in presidential politics almost certainly means national leaders will think long and hard before significantly changing course in its stance toward Cuba.

With American pondering the future of its relationship with its island neighbor, we wanted to get your thoughts. Do you think the U.S. should seek a radical departure from past policy? Should it continue applying the same economic pressure it has for the last 50 years? Or is the cautious, incremental approach it seems to be on the best way to bring about meaningful change?
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by jkb-Canada August 26, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
Would somebody please explain to me why you Americans can find it okay to do business with Communist China, the largest, most heavily populated country in the world (which is on its way to being the next world super-power in case you haven't noticed). They have taken thousands of your jobs, have no human rights in their country, are enormous polluters, and hold loans to your government worth billions of dollars and have nuclear weapons to boot. Should you not be worried about that country rather than little bitty Cuba, a country of joyful,intelligent people who only want what they wanted 100 years ago - to be a truly independent country free of exploitation by either Spain or the U.S.A. And then there is Vietnam. How short your memory is that you can do business with another Communist nation that you were at war with, and lost thousands of your young men to. Cubans leave Cuba for the U.S.A. for the same reason as the Mexicans, Central Americans and every other poor person from every other poor country around the globe for that matter: to have an easier life with a higher standard of living. Cubans in and outside Cuba are fiercely loyal to their country and love it deeply. That is why the "Miami Cubans" et al are so bitter. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Castro is not the problem. He is only defending his country and people from an invasion and annexation by those same people who left their country for a better life. They wouldn't live there anymore, just blanket the country with their business ventures, keep the Cubans in poverty, collect the profits and go back to their swimming pools in Miami. Try getting rid of your cruel, punishing embargo and see what happens. It's easier to catch a fly with honey than with vinegar. It's long been time to get rid of your government policy of "We know what's best for the entire planet"! America: heal Thyself!
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by Rubeem April 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
This bears repeating - - -

Here is a famous quote by Dr. King, that applies perfectly to those members of the Black Caucus who went to Cuba to support an evil dictator:

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ... So in order to be true to one's conscience and true to God, a righteous man has no alternative but to refuse to cooperate with an evil system." From Dr King's book "Stride Toward Freedom," Page 51.
Shame on those 6 clowns who went to Cuba to lick the bloodied boots of an evil dictator.
Posted by Iwontbefooled at 4:02 PM : Apr 11, 2009
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by omnibus66 April 12, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
Here is a famous quote by Dr. King, that applies perfectly to those members of the Black Caucus who went to Cuba to support an evil dictator:

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ...
Posted by Iwontbefooled at 4:02 PM : Apr 11, 2009
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Seems like this would apply to anyone who voted for Bush.

I lived in Miami before Castro, when Havana was nothing but casinos and brothels, and subsequently witnessed the transformation of south Florida after Castro took over.

From the very beginning, absolutely nothing about Cuba has been handled properly, but now perhaps there may be reason to hope that some sanity may take hold.

Cubans are bright, intelligent people, and would quickly embrace a democratic system. But they have no stomach to be a puppet of Washington. Let's talk.
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by tyrany1 April 12, 2009 8:39 AM EDT
imprisonrove

Yes I can tell you the diff.
We dont owe Cuba anything!
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by cs4466 April 12, 2009 4:28 AM EDT
Liberals and communists-doesn't that combo scare you ?
Posted by wtlibs at 10:14 PM : Apr 10, 2009

Not nearly as much as bigots and evangelists.
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by cs4466 April 12, 2009 4:26 AM EDT
Democrats, liberals and communists -Oh my
Posted by wtlibs at 2:34 PM : Apr 11, 2009

Republicans, bigots and evanglists-Oh my
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by cs4466 April 12, 2009 4:24 AM EDT
We don't have to worry about terrorist from the outside when we have groups like the Black Caucus.
Posted by dmw1167 at 6:13 PM : Apr 11, 2009

Or the Ku Klux Klan.
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by whitemale08 April 11, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
Fidel Castro is no longer the president of Cuba, his brother Raul is.

And for European decendants in America or elsewhere denying the security a country has by keeping a 'ruling class' in place whether elected or so-called royalty to one day transition to democracy is hypocritical and arrogant.

In a so-called open democracy like the U.S., politicians can be bought off by businessmen which is what happened before Castro.

When businessmen buy off politicians, then the will of the people stops and fascism takes over where everybody is on their own, like here.

In the end you have tent cities and un-employed people.

I'm not defending the Cuban government one way or the other but I understand that they have to be carefull about outsiders corrupting their politicians and turning their country into another place where whites only can go frolicking in bikinis on the beach while the darker skinned people are begging for money on the streets.
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by Iwontbefooled April 11, 2009 7:02 PM EDT
Here is a famous quote by Dr. King, that applies perfectly to those members of the Black Caucus who went to Cuba to support an evil dictator:

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ... So in order to be true to one's conscience and true to God, a righteous man has no alternative but to refuse to cooperate with an evil system." From Dr King's book "Stride Toward Freedom," Page 51.
Shame on those 6 clowns who went to Cuba to lick the bloodied boots of an evil dictator.
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by p_syrus April 11, 2009 6:11 PM EDT
2 million Cubans living outside of Cuba ...
Posted by ca-ftf-iuf

Most of them were born outside of Cuba. If required to return to the "homeland" as a part of some future "democritization" they would howl LOUDLY about the violation of their "human rights". :-)

The Obama Administration MUST end the PREFERENTIAL treatment of migrants from Cuba. No more politically sanctioned "special status" for Cubanos.
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by Mr_Bromont April 11, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
It is a shame how so much thinking has remain from the past on both sides fo this issue. We now have a new president with an intelligent and open mind. He has recently visited with parts of the world with a open hand of diplomacy and friendship. He was elected by a lot of Americans who opened their hearts to him. Jesus, Ghandi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wanted us all to live in peace and brotherhood one day. John Lennon created and sung a beautiful song called Imagine. It just seems to me the world has not yet learned some good lessons taught to us from the past. I hope I have said enough. If not, at least a lot know I am one who still has hope for us all and this world. Peace,Blessings,heaven help us all.
Mr_Bromont
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by iam4honesty April 11, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
As Cubans who have slipped into assorted boats arrive at the port of Miami... it raises the collective IQ of both places.
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by 1jmwave April 11, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
Dear hamiltongrad, at least get your story straight. The hijacking took place on April 2003(not 2005) with 10 hijackers involved using violence overtaking the ferry and putting 50 people in peril. Three(not 13) of the hijackers were executed after a speedy trial within one week(not the next day). There have been no executions in Cuba since. People have been executed since 2003 but these executions have taken place elsewhere including here in the USA. My earlier point misinformation...1jmwave
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by ca-ftf-iuf April 11, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
My shock and horror of this week's visit is linked to the fact that these members of congress as representatives of the people of this nation should aim to consider why there are over 2 million Cubans living outside of Cuba before they go and paise a murderous dictator. They claim to care about the Blacks of the world, but don't even bother to visit 2 of the biggest opponents of the regime, who happen to be Black. They completely ignore the fact that there is MASSIVE discrimination aginst Blacks across Cuba propogated by the regime itself.

Its not about communism. Cuba is not a true communist system, in fact it is a dictatorship. There is no equality, there is no medicine or food on the island for the citizens only for the tourists. People are suffering especially since the 3 hurricanes but the regime has successfully rebuilt its propaganda billboards across the island and exported the aid to other countries.

Obviously these leaders have their own agenda and are willing to sell out and turn a blind eye on the atrocities of human rights violations in Cuba.

By the way, don't American laws apply to members of congress? OFAC regulations require full agendas for travel to the Island. I don't think a 4 hr visit with Raul and 2 hrs with Fidel constitute a full schedule for 6 days... They must have been sipping mojitos and laying on the beach the rest of the time...

Relax restrictions, ONLY with preconditions... Relaxing restrictions will far benefit their regime over ours because the Cubans have NO MONEY to purchase American goods!!

Furthermore, executions were and still are rampant... Do your homework.
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by tyrany1 April 11, 2009 1:23 PM EDT
If I were poor and uninsured, I would much rather be a citizen of Cuba.
Posted by mcthreeteeth at 8:11 AM : Apr 11, 2009

posted this in the story below trying to convince others of the great life these guys have


April 10, 2009 12:05 PM
Congressman Says 17 House Members Are Socialists
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by dhutch88 April 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
People in Cuba (a majority) make 9 dollars a month. What a great way to live. This guy and is staff are jokes.
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by hawksprings April 10, 2009 11:17 PM EDT
Obama wants to make the US more like Cuba.
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by ianlou April 10, 2009 10:32 PM EDT
We are kissing the azz of the most powerful communist country on Earth because THEY OWN US.

Our relation with Cuba are meaningless compared to our relations with China.

Lets make Cuba our fifty-first state with Fidel as it's first govenor and watch how little difference it makes.
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by 1jmwave April 10, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
The departure of Batista followed the early summary trials of many (not even in the hundreds) of Batista police and military involved in death and torture of Cubans. This was novel in Cuban history since previously was more common to see a blood bath in the aftermath of governmental changes than orderly and public trials. When the Menocal government was toppled people were dragged in the streets to their death or just plain murdered.

Understand that Batista and not Castro was the one who killed Cubans in the tens of thousands(around 20,000 civilians) and tortured countless others. Many people were seeking revenge but that was not to happen. Trials were set and justice served.

I remember the TV trials and I also remember the daily dead found in the streets of Havana, other cities and the countryside during the Batista years. There is not one organization or government which has accused the current Cuban government in the past 50 years of missing or disappeared people.

It is time to leave Cuba alone and stop the small minded attempts to force a sovereign country to succumb to our wishes of domination.

Where is democracy when we force Cuba through military, economic and covert means to accept our dominion? What are Cubans to do under the circumstances which they have confronted these past 50 years?

The USA has always portrayed itself as a democratic country of freedom and justice, yet its Cuba policy is anything but just(anti-Castro terrorist are OK and free in MIami but Cubans fighting terrorism against their country are imprisoned in the US). The freedom of the Americans and residents in US is curtailed by our own government under the guise of democracy all the while we call for "freedom and democracy" in Cuba.

Our Cuba policy is contradictory indeed and by some of the comments seen is in need of much revision and education.
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by hamiltongrad April 10, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
What happened to those people in 2005 caught trying to leave Cuba by boat ? The next day there were executed, all 13 of them. /////////....Want a cigar ?
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