Would Palin Be "In Charge" Of The Senate?
Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin has been criticized for her response Monday to a question from a third grader concerning the role of the vice president.
"A vice president has a really great job because not only are they there to support the president's agenda, they're there like the team member, the teammate to the president," Palin said. “But also, they're in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom. And it's a great job and I look forward to having that job.”
Palin's claim that the vice president is "in charge of" the Senate has garnered the most ire, with critics casting it as reflecting a fundamental misunderstanding of the vice presidential role.
Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, told Horserace that the only power specifically outlined in the Constitution for a vice president is to preside over the Senate and have a vote in case of a tie.
No further formal policy making roles were specified, Shapiro said, because when the Constitution was drafted, the vice president was the runner up for the presidency, and was expected to come from a different faction or party.
The vice president's role, CBS News Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen told Horserace over email, "might be relevant depending upon what the balance in the Senate is after the election."
"Some veeps, like LBJ, had extraordinary influence in the Senate because of their long time there," he added. "Palin, of course, doesn’t have that advantage."
But Shapiro is willing to give Palin the benefit of the doubt for saying the vice president is "in charge of" the Senate, suggesting she is using "her usual homespun language" to describe what could ultimately be a powerful position, as it has been for Dick Cheney.
"Governor Palin was responding to a third grader's inquiry," Maria Comella, Palin's spokeswoman, said about the response. "She was explaining in terms a third-grader could understand that the vice-president is also president of the U.S. Senate."
The scope and power of the vice presidency, Shapiro says, ultimately depends on how the president structures his administration. He notes that a Republican vice president can have a significant role in developing policy in Senate caucuses. Cheney, he noted, has been very active in lobbying senators and pushing President Bush's agenda.
"It depends what you mean by 'in charge,'" Shapiro said, noting that the vice president is the titular head of the Senate. "Is there anyone 'in charge' of the Senate? Is the speaker 'in charge' of the House?" He argued that at no point did Palin articulate a role for a vice president that overstepped the limits of the Constitution.
"A vice president has a really great job because not only are they there to support the president's agenda, they're there like the team member, the teammate to the president," Palin said. “But also, they're in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom. And it's a great job and I look forward to having that job.”
Palin's claim that the vice president is "in charge of" the Senate has garnered the most ire, with critics casting it as reflecting a fundamental misunderstanding of the vice presidential role.
Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, told Horserace that the only power specifically outlined in the Constitution for a vice president is to preside over the Senate and have a vote in case of a tie.
No further formal policy making roles were specified, Shapiro said, because when the Constitution was drafted, the vice president was the runner up for the presidency, and was expected to come from a different faction or party.
The vice president's role, CBS News Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen told Horserace over email, "might be relevant depending upon what the balance in the Senate is after the election."
"Some veeps, like LBJ, had extraordinary influence in the Senate because of their long time there," he added. "Palin, of course, doesn’t have that advantage."
But Shapiro is willing to give Palin the benefit of the doubt for saying the vice president is "in charge of" the Senate, suggesting she is using "her usual homespun language" to describe what could ultimately be a powerful position, as it has been for Dick Cheney.
"Governor Palin was responding to a third grader's inquiry," Maria Comella, Palin's spokeswoman, said about the response. "She was explaining in terms a third-grader could understand that the vice-president is also president of the U.S. Senate."
The scope and power of the vice presidency, Shapiro says, ultimately depends on how the president structures his administration. He notes that a Republican vice president can have a significant role in developing policy in Senate caucuses. Cheney, he noted, has been very active in lobbying senators and pushing President Bush's agenda.
"It depends what you mean by 'in charge,'" Shapiro said, noting that the vice president is the titular head of the Senate. "Is there anyone 'in charge' of the Senate? Is the speaker 'in charge' of the House?" He argued that at no point did Palin articulate a role for a vice president that overstepped the limits of the Constitution.
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Article 1, section 3 of the Constitution.
President of the Senate
Main article: President of the Senate
As President of the Senate (Article I, Section 3), the vice president oversees procedural matters and may cast a tie-breaking vote.
She could replace Reid! Yeah!!!
Drill baby Dill!!!
Cheerleader maybe Vice President could become President not a payer in hel1.
There have been many statements made by Palin before she was nominated for the VP role that she later flip-flopped on. There is plenty of video footage out there to show this. Go to http://dailysource.org/palinvideos
and you can see some of them.
Thanks for the forum.
Vin at www.wegotsarah.com
But she said: " I don''t use drugs."
The said: Doesn''t matter. If someone should ask you any question, just say "NO".
If someone should ask you to drop your drawers, just say "NO."
Whatever you''re asked, JUST SAY NO. DO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT ATL.
1. Either she''s too stupid/uneducated to know anything about the Constitution
2. Or, she simply doesn''t care
After 8 years of a President and VP spitting on the Constitution and abusing executive power, the last thing we need is another crooked, egomaniacal leader looking to "expand the power" of her office!
I can''t wait until we forget the name Sarah Palin, just like we did the last right-wing wack-job Hariet Myers!
Imagine Harry Reid''s surprise if in february, 2009, Bidin (or Palin) were to come down to the Senate chambers and insist that he was in charge of the Senate because (according to Cheney) he''s not part of the executive branch.
But she said: "I don''t use drugs."
The said: Doesn''t matter. If someone should ask you any question, just say "NO".
If someone should ask you to drop your drawers, just say "NO."
Whatever you''re asked, JUST SAY NO. DO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL.
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Hey Blackie93
The VP has no power under the constution. You are just as dumb as Palin. Palin "I''m in charge over the senate." I wish she would tell that to Hillary Clinton,the orignal pit bull with lipstick. Hillary will chew her up and spit her out. I would suggest to you stock pile on prozac because it''s going to be a long 4 years.
Lo------ser--------! Obama/Biden08
Source: Cornell University Law School. Google it see for your self.
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by blondegenes
October 24, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
- "In attacking Vice President *** Cheney, Mr. Biden said the vice president''s only role is to support the president and to preside over the Senate "only in a time when in fact there''s a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit."
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See all 41 CommentsThe Constitution, though, actually says the vice president is always president of the Senate and legal scholars say he has the right to preside at any time. Early vice presidents, such as Thomas Jefferson, actively exercised that role, the vice president still keeps offices at the Capitol, and scholars say it wasn''t until the middle of the 20th century that the vice president had an office at the executive office building.
The president pro tempore, usually the senior senator from the majority party, takes over only when the vice president is absent. In recent practice, as the vice president has taken a bigger role in the executive, that''s meant the Senate operates almost all of the time without the vice president in the chair."
Thomas Jefferson wrote, "A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States"
Gov Palin, who is a Newbie, got it right!
I would think that a guy like Joe Biden, who has been in the Senate for decades, and has to have a working knowledge of what role the VP plays in regard to legislation,,would know the role of VP.
Der.