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October 20, 2008 9:56 AM

Palin Breaks With McCain On Gay Marriage Ban

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From CBS News' Scott Conroy:

(COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO.) - In an interview with CBN’s David Brody, Sarah Palin signaled her support for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, a position that John McCain once described as “antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans.”

“I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage,” Palin said.

“I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.”

When the federal marriage amendment was being debated in 2004, John McCain broke from his party’s leadership and took to the Senate floor to denounce it in notably stark language.

"The constitutional amendment we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans," McCain said. "It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."

Gay marriage isn’t the only issue on which Palin and McCain have expressed differences of opinion. They have also diverged on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, global warming, cross-border raids into Pakistan, and whether abortion should be permitted in cases of rape and incest.

In a joint interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, McCain portrayed their differences of opinion on ANWR in a positive light.

“Did you expect two mavericks to agree on—to agree on everything?” he asked.

Though she has criticized Obama for his position on late-term abortion, Palin has lately kept the focus on the Democrat’s tax plan, which she has said contains elements of socialism. Look for her to continue to hammer the Democrats on the economy as she campaigns across Colorado on Monday.
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by jack4rep October 20, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
I respect Sarah Palin on this...She to me should be the one running for President...I like her positions, only if she would stop listeing to the McCain people...They know how to lose an election...Palin is learning the ropes of Washington Politics the hard way...Trial by Fire...
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by earthmomjs October 20, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
I so hope the Republican party puts this airhead on the ticket in the next election too, so we can have the joy of squashing her once again.

Sarah Palin, somewhere in Alaska there is a moose calling your name. Time to go now.
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by midvale3 October 20, 2008 11:24 AM PDT
Her next amendment will be Creationism being taught in school and declare Christianity the offical religion of the US with "reeducation" camps for non-Christians.
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by targaray-2009 October 20, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
BUSH/PALIN/McSAME is a Wasted Vote
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by steeepe October 20, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
Why not also deny rights to all the other minority groups? It''s time for Republicans to mind their own business.
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by mikenyc2 October 20, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
Who, in their right mind, wants this half-wit running our country? The woman is an immoral bimbo who has the nerve to say others are immoral. I guess she''ll get the hypocrite vote if nothing else.
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by celeste1882 October 20, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
Again typical Republican! Wanting to tell others how they should run their lives. Latest Gallup poll Obama is again up by 10%. I so hope in 16 days this women is consigned to being the laughable footnote in history that we can all agree that she qualified to be!
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by bks59 October 20, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
...then eliminate the more than 1,000 rights and priveleges a marriage license conveys to its holders.
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by zorar-2009 October 20, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
McCain has surrounded himself with the best and brightest from the now-defunct Project for the New American Century: Randy Scheunemann, one of its directors, is serving as McCain%u2019s top foreign policy advisor. He is joined by PNAC%u2019s founder, Bill Kristol, along with Gary Schmitt (President), Robert Kagan (director), and James Woolsey (signatory).

More than any other group, PNAC has exerted the greatest influence over the Bush administration with regard to foreign policy. In 1998, PNAC sent a letter to President Clinton (signed by the likes of Cheney, Rumsefeld, Wolfowitz, and others) urging him to effect regime change in Iraq because of Saddam Hussein%u2019s so-called development of WMDs. Clinton responded by initiating Operation Desert Fox, bombing military targets over a period of several days to %u201Cdegrade%u201D Iraq%u2019s ability to produce nuclear weapons.
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by pvperson October 20, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
%u201CI''m not going to be out there judging individuals,"...Palin

No, sure sounds like you are.

Typical hypocrite.
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by mumu11 October 20, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
republicans want the government out of your pocketbook and into your private life, democrats want the government out of your private life and into your pocketbook. I''d rather give up some money than some freedom anytime.
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by mjcm85-2009 October 20, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
If she''s so "traditional" why does she support her own child getting pregnant before getting married? I dont think that is how things work in "traditional marriages".
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by gowerdog October 20, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
What a nightmare-Palin getting her hands on the constitution!What''s next the religious police? Neocons
are the American Taliban. "Onward Christian Soldiers..."
Also, would like to hear her definition of socialism, probably never heard the term before last week!
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by koko98-2009 October 20, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
This is exactly why the Republicans have kept Governor Palin under wraps. Her extreme positions, largely shaped by her religious beliefs place her way outside the mainstream of American politics and doom her future on the national stage except as a lighting rod for both sides.
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by pvperson October 20, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
Let''s look at some of the ways Palin trashed Wasilla, trashed it so bad that the Iditarod was moved this year due to the pollution:

* She helped kill a ballot initiative that would have blocked a massive new gold and copper mine from being built near the world''s most productive wild salmon fishery.
* She challenged the listing of the polar bear and Cook Inlet beluga whale as endangered species. The listings might have threatened the state''s oil and gas industry.
* Her administration helped kill a bill banning water pollution near where fish spawn.
* She started a committee to address global warming. But with oil companies contributing the largest percentage of the state''s greenhouse gases, her committee set no goal for reducing emissions. Unlike other states, Alaska''s climate change priority is focused on ways to adapt to warmer temperatures.
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by pvperson October 20, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
In Palin''s first two years as mayor, the city handed out more land-use permits than ever. Population grew 25 percent on her watch, and the city became increasingly dependent on its sales tax.

Now, all that asphalt (from new strip malls along the lake) sends storm water rushing into the city''s creeks and lakes, along with occasional garbage. Scientists have noted diseased salmon and excessive levels of bacteria, petroleum and sediment in the water.
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by October 20, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
The idea that McCain is strongly opposed to the FMA is also a fallacy. Yes, he voted against it. But in that same floor speech, he listed the conditions that would lead him to support an amendement. They were all things that pro-gay people want (the fall of DOMA, more states with legal marriage, more favorable court decisions, etc).

So it drives me a bit nuts for people to act as if McCain is totally against banning marriage equality. As it gets more and more equal, he inidcated that he will get more and more banny!
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by mpick101 October 20, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
John6Pack-

Pardon me, but it appears from your post that remedial education should be the first step toward cleaning up America.
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by antoniof123 October 20, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
So she isn''t with McCain ok that means if you vote for him are you voting for her.

When a Vice President is not in sinc with the President who is running you have to evaluate both.

Thanks you just help me further make up my mind the GOP has no direction.

Vote them all out of office, oh wait the wave may just do that.
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by otto_f October 20, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
In 1948 when the California Supreme Court ruling made California the first state to strike down laws banning interracial marriage, over 90% of Americans opposed interracial marriage. And many of them proudly proclaimed their opposition to the court''s decision. Should we have waited a generation or two before permitting mixed-race couples to marry? Should we have denied millions of people their basic rights until it became more palatable to their neighbors? Shall we now put gay marriage to the vote? Should my right to marry be decided by my neighbors? Do some Americans still proudly announce their willingness to invade the lives of others by imposing their social or religious views on people they don''t even know? I wish I could say that I gave Sarah Palin more credit than to proudly call for a constitutional amendment that would limit the rights of millions of tax-paying American citizens, but I can''t.
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by eroosevelt08 October 20, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
Having a maverick politician means his or her own party does not agree with them. The other party also does not agree with them. So what is the talk about bipartisanship about? The maverick wants, it seems, to do what he wants and nuts to everybody else. I just don''t see how being a maverick works to get things done in a complicated society.
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by outremind October 20, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
Wow. It is SO great that she supports "traditional marriage" because it falls right in line with her supporting "traditional shotgun weddings" and "traditional *** grandchildren." Yeah, man. She''s a hell of an intellectual with a 6-year, 6-school run to get a single degree in journalism and making statements like "dinosaurs aren''t real" and "you can pray away the gay!" She''s one hell of a mom with a druggie son running off to Iraq to get away from his junkie friends and a knocked-up unmarried daughter with a *** on the way. She''s one hell of a mayor, her city being the METH CAPITAL of Alaska and all.
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by dibs977 October 20, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
Gay people have lived in the closet too long. They have a right to the same rights I have. Marriage between two consenting adults is a right that should be had by all---gay or straight. Lighten up. It will not make the sky fall and will help others be free and happy---isn''t that what Christ taught---to love and not judge.
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by rjs1955 October 20, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
Palin and McCain smell the blood in the water, and they are afraid it is theirs. They are running for their own personal constituencies. They are putting not America first, or each other... they are putting their own sweet @$$ first and looking at where they''ll be on Nov. 5th... as just a governor and just a senator.
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by dibs977 October 20, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
What does Joe 6 Pack mean---is that a guy who drinks 6 beers a day?--if so he meets the AA''s definition of an alcoholic---and needs help.
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by jon_mccain October 20, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
So much for the vote of the log cabin Republicans.
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by jon_mccain October 20, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
What does Joe 6 Pack mean---

Posted by Dibs977

It is Republican code meant to differentiate the "average" American from the wine sipping, cheese nibbling "elites" that they claim make up the bulk of the Democratic party.
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by dibs977 October 20, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
I am sick of tired of being beat over the head by Bible thumpers --my whole life---who claim to be about family values and Christianity when they are really about hate and predjudice. Most of these professed Christians have a brand of Christianity which does not even closely resemble what Christ taught---which was about love and non-judgement. If we allow *** to marry, people who "can procreate" can still get married and even people who are sterile and straight and can''t procreate----or do not want children--or even post-menopausal women who can''t procreate etc.---marriage is more than procreation--
stop with these RULES---follow the principles of love and freedom.
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by cozzicon October 20, 2008 2:32 PM PDT
"Gay people have lived in the closet too long. They have a right to the same rights I have. Marriage between two consenting adults is a right that should be had by all---gay or straight. Lighten up. It will not make the sky fall and will help others be free and happy---isn''''t that what Christ taught---to love and not judge." --Posted by Dibs977

And on a completely legal standpoint, if the civil effort is successful in keeping *** from marrying, then comes the next one:

The Religious Right to Marry!

Think it''s funny? Think again...

Gay''s having been thrown out of their churches, have founded their own churches, and will be claiming the right to marry on religious grounds.

And you know what... now that they have a defacto separate religion because of their disenfranchisement: They Are Right.

Marriage, is part of a religious lifestyle. And Gay people will get that right based on the constitutional right to free religion.

It''s going to be an interesting 10 years.
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by dibs977 October 20, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
Oh yea, me and my best friend---me--- the daughter of an oil field driller and she--the daughter of a West Virginia coal miner--both hard working nurses---both ardent Democrats---but if you think we are the elite---well if you think that emptying bedpans makes us elite, then you got me.
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by jordie_sky October 20, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
"Jihadist?"

Can i just say that the word Jihad is used by uneducated people WAY too much. A jihad is an inner struggle one may have over their personal faith.

Some may imply that Obama is a muslin, but considering that Islam is a religion and NOT An ETHNICITY! then no, Obama does not practice the muslim religion.

I wish the United States made it mandatory that for anyone to vote they needed at the very least a high school diploma.
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by jon_mccain October 20, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
Oh yea, me and my best friend---me--- the daughter of an oil field driller and she--the daughter of a West Virginia coal miner--both hard working nurses---both ardent Democrats---but if you think we are the elite---well if you think that emptying bedpans makes us elite, then you got me.

Posted by Dibs977 a

Dibs977, I never said I agreed with the statement. It is a real twist of Irony that the party that represents the interests of the rich and affluent, has been able to paint the party of the working class as elitist.
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by o_the_potus October 20, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
Wow, you''d think McCain could at least get his own ducks in a row.
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by drsam8 October 20, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
Palin''s view is dangerous for someone who could be a heartbeat aay from an old man who could be President.
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by mosfett211 October 20, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
This is an argument about the definition of the word marriage. Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman, who have dedicated theri lives to one another for the purpose of breeding. Two people of the same *** can not breed. Thefore they should not be married, if they want a life partner designation then fine, but it isn''t a marriage.

Otherwise, as a white person I am tired of being descriminated against and I am going to start a protest about my inability to call myself a black man. Its an argument over the definition of a word.

If you don''t like the definition make your own word up, quit trying to make everyone change to suit yourself.
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by denn034 October 20, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
Go Palin and shame on McCain for that comment regarding same-*** marriages. Newsflash McCain, supporting gay marriages is antithetical to being a Republican. I early voted straight Republican but, that doesn''t mean I have to support everything that comes out of a GOP candidates mouth though.
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by gaybygod October 20, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
First of all, I don''t need you to justify my life. I am not a second class citizen and deserve, and probably pay more for (because I am undoubtedly in a higher tax bracket) the same rights as you.

Secondly, being gay is genetic and not something that you can change.

Finally, the bible (which is written by man and extremely dated) has a lot of passages that people like you choose to ignore. Do you eat shellfish? Do you ever work on Sunday? These are two additional examples of abominations according to the bible. Do you have multiple wives? Do you own slaves? These things are acceptable according to the bible.

It''s time to educate yourself instead of remaining (and sounding)ignorant about this issue based on what you''ve always heard from conservative, right-wing organizations and politicians who are promoting their own agenda.

The Consitituation is about equal rights for all and the basis of Christianity is about love and acceptance!
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by oscarez October 20, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
Sarah Palin is running for higher office on the guns and God platform. The guns and God nuts are not GOP members.
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by lacsar33 October 20, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
so much for conservatism, so much for federalism, so much for states rights....she is no longer running for vp, she has stabbed mccain in the back and is now out for her own political future as a religious despot
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by scout841 October 20, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
She didn''t say she "breaks with McCain."

I understand the media frenzy, after the seemingly endless silence, to get Palin''s own words out there, but the country would be better served now by media restraint rather than media spin.

She didn''t say she supports a ban on gay marriage. She said:

%u201CI''m not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can''t do, should and should not do.."

Sounds very inclusive and tolerant to me. Any American can express their opinion and vote according to their conscience. A politically correct dictatorship would still be a dictatorship.

Palin said:
"...but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that''s casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage..."

So wouldn''t *** do the same for gay marriage?

I think the story here is that Palin lives what she believes and respects others right to do the same.
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by October 20, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
This is an argument about the definition of the word marriage. Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman, who have dedicated theri lives to one another for the purpose of breeding. Two people of the same *** can not breed. Thefore they should not be married, if they want a life partner designation then fine, but it isn''''t a marriage.

Posted by Mosfett211 at 02:45 PM : Oct 20, 2008

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So, according to your definition, my father should not have been able to marry a post-menopausal woman after my mother died, because no children would come from the marriage.
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by irisheyes332 October 20, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
Anyone that makes reference to the "bible" and marriage as a sanction of "man and woman" only for the purpose of procreation needs to look at the "divorce" rate among these "marriages"

though it''s hard to find room in your small minds to think a naturally born gay men and women cannot procreate are simply fed the wrong information

idea''s like "adoption" and "artificial insemination" come to mind (or for the brave few) that go thru the "natural process"

and before you get on your "high and mighty" bus that it''s suppose to be the natural process to procreate...then the argument that not all woman can procreate naturally becuase of their own bodily issues is considered an abomination by your standards.

Palin can believe in her own issues and ways of life..but preaching "hate"...and this is form of "HATE"...does nothing to embody her supposed "christian" values.

nor would she be considered following in "HIS" footsteps plain and simple.

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by gowerdog October 20, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
"When fascism comes to America it will all be wrapped in a flag carrying a cross".
Sinclair Lewis
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by twentysixpt2 October 20, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
This is an argument about the definition of the word marriage. Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman, who have dedicated theri lives to one another for the purpose of breeding. Two people of the same *** can not breed. Thefore they should not be married, if they want a life partner designation then fine, but it isn''''''''t a marriage.

Posted by Mosfett211 at 02:45 PM : Oct 20, 2008


"For the purpose of breeding"? What a ludicrous statement to include in the definition of marriage. Many people get married without the intention or plan to "breed." Some of them are beyond the age of reproduction. And some of them just do not want children. And they are legally married just like couples that do want children. So your definition FAILS -- there is nothing in the definition of marriage (other than the Catholic marriage rite ceremony perhaps, but we luckily have separation of church and state) that requires the couple to BREED (what, like we''re all a bunch of rabbits? What a barbaric proposition.) Rather, the definition of marriage is two people legally committing themselves to each other for life. I am straight but I see no objection to allowing a gay couple to do that just like straight couples do. ESPECIALLY not on the basis of "breeding." (BTW many gay couples adopt which is bringing children into the union/ family -- so your argument just makes no sense any way you look at it.)
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by twentysixpt2 October 20, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
So Palin wants the issue of a woman''s right to privacy/ choice to be let up to the states... but she wants the issue of people''s right to get married to be left up to the Federal government, and have it banned by the Federal government instead of left up to the states. She is so inconsistent it''s not even funny. The state of this woman''s brains-- or lack thereof-- is actually very very sad. :(
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by ejcspau October 20, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
There was only one "immaculate" conception without a man. Marriage is a man and woman. Humans are really the only species on earth that unaturally have male/male or female/female pairings. irisheyes 332, how long have you been gay? You cannot procreate without the opposite gender. PERIOD!
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by jonathanw20 October 20, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
It is not the question of gay marriage. First I see a serious problem with such diverging views between P and VP. Second I see she has a problem underestimating the importance of not taking away State rights. But why does she care - after all she is the wife of a secessionist who would rather turn USA into Alaska or make Alaska a separate country.
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by darkdazeys October 20, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
Check your sources, ejcspau. Many animals out there naturally have male/male, female/female relationships. Look up Bonobo monkeys..
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by darkdazeys October 20, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
Check your sources, ejcspau. Many animals out there naturally have male/male, female/female relationships. Look up Bonobo monkeys..
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by ejcspau October 20, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
Forgot the monkeys darkdazeys. I bet they are upset.
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