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October 19, 2008 8:26 PM

Palin: Obama’s Plan Is “Experiment With Socialism”

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From CBS News' Scott Conroy:

(ROSWELL, N.M.) - Sarah Palin drew huge cheers at an airport hanger rally here when she insisted that Barack Obama’s infamous comments to Joe the Plumber meant that the Democrat would initiate a socialist economic plan.

“Senator Obama said the wants to ‘spread the wealth,’” Palin said. “What that means is he wants government to take your money and dole it out however a politician sees fit.”

Palin acknowledged a man in the crowd who carried a sign proclaiming himself to be, “Ed The Dairy Man,” and used him to help make her point.

“Barack Obama calls it spreading the wealth, Joe Biden calls higher taxes patriotic, but Joe the plumber and Ed the Dairy Man, I believe that they think that it sounds more like socialism,” Palin said. “Friends, now is no time to experiment with socialism.”

Palin said that Obama was not being straightforward about his tax plan.

“He claims that he'll cut income taxes for 95 percent of Americans, but the problem is more than 40 percent of Americans pay no income taxes at all. So how can you cut income taxes for folks who don't pay them?”

She added that Obama would get the money from his proposed tax credits by increasing tax rates.

“In other words, Obama's plans to raise taxes on some in order to give checks out to others is not a tax cut,” Palin said. “It is more government growth and it's another government giveaway.”
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by BeyondGreen October 19, 2008 8:46 PM PDT
Any way you slice it this country and the world economy for that matter is on very shaky ground.
Great new book out by Jeff Wilson called The Manhattan Project of 2009. They all need to read it!
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by dzemog1 October 19, 2008 9:11 PM PDT
HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM A SOCIALIST PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA:

With Barack Obama as president, all the wealth in America will be redistributed to those who refuse to work for it.

This, in turn, will destroy America''''s productivity - which will mean that there will be less wealth to "spread around".

Therefore, Barack Obama will find it necessary to increase taxes on those who work. This, again, will destroy America''''s productivity.

Business of all sizes will close, more and more people will be out of work, and looking for support from the government.

This will mean a severe shortfall in tax revenue for the Socialist programs that Liberals hold dear.

And again, Barack Obama will raise your taxes. This will make even the wealthiest working Americans destitute and starving.

Then America will be simply overtaken by it''''s enemies.

Sounds good to you?

Go ahead and vote for Obama.


Posted by OneAmerican7

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Well, that''s just too damned bad, OneAmerican7. If living in the US is going to be that difficult for you under an Obama presidency, I suggest you pack your bags and leave. Better yet, go back to the planet you came from.....Uranus, wasn''t it?
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by lamontee33 October 19, 2008 9:14 PM PDT
The right-wing BS about socialism is so weird, and so wrong. The tax increase to those making over $250,000 would only bring an increase of a couple of percent, back to where it was under Reagan and Clinton. People who do not work don''t file a tax return and would get no refund. The increase is fair. The rich should pay their fair share, and the middle-class need a break in this brutal economy. This is not socialism, this is fair. Would Warren Buffet and Colin Powell support a socialistic candidate? Of course not.

What is socialistic is the Bush/Republican bailout of the banks. Don''t believe the right-wing liars.
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by ahumbleopini October 19, 2008 9:15 PM PDT
And what makes us think Sarah Palin even knows what socialism is?
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by obbcbs October 19, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
Socialism = Nationalizing the banks.

Socialism = McCain''s plan to give $300 billion more to the banks.

Palin doesnt even know how to use the state of Alaska backup email system, no less understand economics. Oh yes, I remember now, she deleted all the emails she doesnt want you to see.
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by obbcbs October 19, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
Bush-McCain economics
the dollar is now worth half what it was when they took over, 8 years ago.
That''s a reflection of the destruction of the USA economy done by Gramm, McCain, McConnell, and Bush. Team GOP. Flunked economics.
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by ubrew12 October 19, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
It seems to me the ''experiment'' with socialism has already begun. And, as with most experiments with socialism, it began with a highway robbery by the people who were supposed to be looking after our money.

Socialism is ALWAYS made necessary by capitalism. One either remembers this, or forgets it and gets robbed again: seems to happen every 20 years or so.
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by ahumbleopini October 19, 2008 9:35 PM PDT
And what makes us think Sarah Palin even knows what socialism is?
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by mystylplx October 19, 2008 9:36 PM PDT
Palin clearly doesn''t have a clue what the word "socialism" even means. Here you go, Sarah--
Socialism, according to Answers.com, means--

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

What graduated tax rates have to do with that is certainly a mystery to me. Ironically, in a socialist system Joe the plumber would already be part owner in the business he currently works for.

So Palin is confused again. What else is new? I think we''ve passed the point where it''s even newsworthy when she, once again, makes her ignorance apparent.
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by hungry4goodg October 19, 2008 9:38 PM PDT
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah...how can your assessments matter to us when we don''t know you? Sen. McCain adopted you as entertainment, as a ''cheerleader'' and that''s how America thinks of you. We do appreciate your SNL comedy, etc.
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by anotherview2-2009 October 19, 2008 9:39 PM PDT
Obama''s "re-distribution of wealth" ties right in to Ayers belief that capitalism is evil, and it is time for "social justice". According to a CNN piece by Drew Griffin, "in April of 2008, Ayers published a blogposting in which he ranted against capitalism, describing it as a tool for oppression, thuggery and slavery. "

In beliefs, Obama and Ayers are siamese twins. In fact, all of Obama''s long term friends and mentors have the common thread of a low opinion of the United States, and radical views of how to change her. "Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of " nationalization" of business.

Is this the America we want?



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by mystylplx October 19, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
Oh, and OneAmerican7, your crystal ball must be on the fritz because you have no clue what we can expect from an Obama Presidency and you, like Sarah Palin, have no idea what the word "socialism" means.
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by anotherview2-2009 October 19, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
Obama''s "re-distribution of wealth" ties right in to Ayers
belief that capitalism is evil, and it is time for "social justice". According to a CNN piece by Drew Griffin, "in April of 2008, Ayers published a blogposting in which he ranted against capitalism, describing it as a tool for oppression, thuggery and slavery. "

In beliefs, Obama and Ayers are siamese twins. In fact, all of Obama''s long term friends and mentors have the common thread of a low opinion of the United States, and radical views of how to change her. "Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of " nationalization" of business.

Is this the America we want?



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by anotherview2-2009 October 19, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
Obama''s "re-distribution of wealth" ties right in to Ayers
belief that capitalism is evil, and it is time for "social justice". According to a CNN piece by Drew Griffin, "in April of 2008, Ayers published a blogposting in which he ranted against capitalism, describing it as a tool for oppression, thuggery and slavery. "

In beliefs, Obama and Ayers are siamese twins. In fact, all of Obama''s long term friends and mentors have the common thread of a low opinion of the United States, and radical views of how to change her. "Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of " nationalization" of business.

Is this the America we want?



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by anotherview2-2009 October 19, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
Obama''s "re-distribution of wealth" ties right in to Ayers
belief that capitalism is evil, and it is time for "social justice". According to a CNN piece by Drew Griffin, "in April of 2008, Ayers published a blogposting in which he ranted against capitalism, describing it as a tool for oppression, thuggery and slavery. "

In beliefs, Obama and Ayers are siamese twins. In fact, all of Obama''s long term friends and mentors have the common thread of a low opinion of the United States, and radical views of how to change her. "Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of " nationalization" of business.

Is this the America we want?



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by anotherview2-2009 October 19, 2008 9:41 PM PDT
Obama''s "re-distribution of wealth" ties right in to Ayers
belief that capitalism is evil, and it is time for "social justice". According to a CNN piece by Drew Griffin, "in April of 2008, Ayers published a blogposting in which he ranted against capitalism, describing it as a tool for oppression, thuggery and slavery. "

In beliefs, Obama and Ayers are siamese twins. In fact, all of Obama''s long term friends and mentors have the common thread of a low opinion of the United States, and radical views of how to change her. "Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of " nationalization" of business.

Is this the America we want?



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by mystylplx October 19, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
anotherview2 wrote: ""Buying stock" in our private banks and financial institutions is the beginning of "nationalization" of business."

You, unlike Sarah Palin, at least seem to have some idea of what the word "socialism" means. What I can''t figure out is why you tie that plan to Obama. It''s the Bush administration that pushed it, and McCain supports it.

Perhaps it is Bush and McCain we should be worried about. Maybe THEY''RE the ones who are really leading us to socialism?

Seriously though, this is all just more ignorant scare tactics from the McCain campaign.
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by mystylplx October 19, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
Palin clearly doesn''''t have a clue what the word "socialism" even means. Here you go, Sarah--
Socialism, according to Answers.com, means--

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

What graduated tax rates have to do with that is certainly a mystery to me. Ironically, in a socialist system Joe the plumber would already be part owner in the business he currently works for.

So Palin is confused again. What else is new? I think we''''ve passed the point where it''''s even newsworthy when she, once again, makes her ignorance apparent.
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by ahumbleopini October 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
Republicans strongly believe in income redistribution, they just believe in redistributing it up instead of down.
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by ahumbleopini October 19, 2008 9:52 PM PDT
Republicans strongly believe in income redistribution, they just believe in redistributing it up instead of down.
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by mystylplx October 19, 2008 9:56 PM PDT
Yep. Republicans LOVE income redistribution--as long as it''s being redistributed into their own pockets.
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by asamiller October 19, 2008 10:11 PM PDT
Palin is good at trying to tarnish other people''s reputations or falsify their positions. Obama is no socialist and not a terrorist or tainted with Terrorism, just as Walt Monegan was not a rogue cop. Her strategy is to win by slander and intimidation. I doubt she knew who Ayers and the Weather Underground were before the Republican Convention and I doubt she knows what socialism is as well. She certainly didn''t know what the US Constitution defines as the role of the VP as evidenced in her debate performance. Time for a civics lesson, Ms. Palin, then maybe you can run for reelection in Alaska, if they want to tolerate your unprincipled methods for another term.
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by rahepee October 19, 2008 10:26 PM PDT
What is it with the Socialism thing from the GOP? They claim that Obama''s policies are somehow socialist because he advocates taxing the rich and giving a break to the poor, that somehow that translates out to a redistribution of wealth madated by the state. But Palin, McCain and all of these GOP bloggers seem to conveniently overlook that Bush and McCain advocated the $700 billion bailout, taking tax money from the poor and the middle class and giving it to corporations and CEOs. So redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor is socialism and is bad. What does redistribution from the poor to the rich make? Capitalism? What would you rather have? Either way, McCain and Bush are just as socialist as Obama...but I''d rather have Obama''s brand that favors the poor and the middle class.
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by jjmarz1001 October 19, 2008 10:53 PM PDT
Palin: Obama%u2019s Plan Is %u201CExperiment With Socialism%u201D

And Palin is John McCain''s experiment with stupidity.
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by teacher1917 October 19, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
Does Palin even know what socialism is?
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by rickrollem October 19, 2008 11:13 PM PDT
I bet most people in this nation don''t know what socialism is either.
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by rickrollem October 19, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
I bet most people in this nation don''t know what socialism is either.
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by dmb35 October 19, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
Just because you didn''t know who Sarah Palin was until McCain chose her as running mate doesn''t mean she wouldn''t make a good VP or even a good president. Most people didn''t know who Bill Clinton was until he ran for president. Palin has proven that she has the backbone to stand up for what''s right. Joe Biden would probably just stand too close to them and give them a big grin and say something totally stupid. Heck, even Joe Biden doesn''t think Obama is qualified to be president. Speaking of Obama, He accuses McCain of running negative campaign, Colin Powell accuses McCain of running negative campaign. Obama has run negative campaign from the start. Remember how he always said, they will tell you I have a funny name, and by the way did I tell you he''s black. Cheez. Remember how scowling Michelle mentioned his "funny name" at Convention? I think they were actually disappointed that McCain campaign hasn''t mentioned either one.
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by dmb35 October 19, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
Look up Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. It is senate bill 190 sponsored by Senator Hagel, cosponsored by John McCain and others. Click on "Floor Speech" and read May 25, 2006 speech by John McCain. His closing sentence was "If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole." It''s a shame that bill did not pass. It would have made Barney Frank very angry, as his live-in lover was a CEO at Fannie, plus Chris Dodd was taking big money from Fannie, so was Obama, but heck, if the media tells you that you will accuse them of being racists, wouldn''t you.
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by dburfears October 19, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
McCain has lost ALL HONOR.

McCain has lost ALL HONESTY.

McCain has lost ALL DIGNITY.

He sends this talking parrot out to sling mud that McCain KNOWS is a fabrication and spread outright LIES.

I wonder if Americans are so stupid as to buy McCain''s DESPERATE EFFORTS to mislead America.
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by mikec4prez October 20, 2008 12:07 AM PDT
Hey, has anyone heard about the new president nominee! Michael Douglas Carlin has set his mind to be kind and create world peace. With his book "A Prescription For Peace", he has great ideas of saving the environment from another great depression. If you want more information about how Michael Douglas Carlin will save our world, go to www.mikecarlinforpresident.info.

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by mikec4prez October 20, 2008 12:10 AM PDT
Hey, has anyone heard about the new president nominee! Michael Douglas Carlin has set his mind to be kind and create world peace. With his book "A Prescription For Peace", he has great ideas of saving the environment from another great depression. If you want more information about how Michael Douglas Carlin will save our world, go to www.mikecarlinforpresident.info.

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by cariboubarbi October 20, 2008 12:41 AM PDT


Palin couldn''t define socialism if you asked her.

Hopefully she''ll soon be headed back to Alaska for good.



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by pensacola98 October 20, 2008 12:47 AM PDT
In Capitalism, it is a given that there will always be a winner and a looser.

There are some issues that are foolish to risk creating loosers in great numbers: health care, education, housing, food and nutrition.

Depriving large numbers of people to these basic and essential needs yields huge consequences that not one class of our society is immune, such as crime, disease, homelesses, malnutrition, and famine.

Our nation has learned how incapacitated we can be if policies deprive too many from their basic needs.

I don''t know how Sarah Palin can talk about Socialism, when the Bush Administration has already revoked some valued rights in the name of patriotism. What did we get in return for giving up some of our rights these past years? A trillion dollar war without solution and a shoddy economy. If we socialized medicine, it would cost us far less and we would have something to show for the effort.

If being a patriot means we have to be deprived and oppressed, it is time we find another leader to follow. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the best chances towards the changes that our country needs.

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by hofkurz October 20, 2008 1:35 AM PDT
Road to socialism when her party''s government has already bought the banks in this country???
Where has she been?
Oh, wait. She would have to actually be in touch with Americans to know.
I have voted Republican my entire life but I''ve been insulted by the Republicans enough this election cycle. After all, Christians and patriots are Republicans...they can''t possibly be in any other party.
Colin Powell said it best this morning on Meet The Press. Polarizing? You bet. And the Christian Right scares the bejeezus out of me.
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by jellolion October 20, 2008 4:35 AM PDT
dont we already have a socialist government? welfare, income taxes, medicare, medicaid, free lunch program, government funded science, government buyout of banks, etc. All of these could be considered socialist. Without socialism, the US would be a pretty miserable place. Yes, good, lets experiment with socialism. As we have been since the 1930''s.
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by jellolion October 20, 2008 4:41 AM PDT
I would like to know why Obama has not spread the wealth around with his African Brother who lives in a hut.

This is so arrogant. And it is his half brother. Do you think Obama should go in and say hello half brother, I know you are poor and miserable, let me bring you to the great riches of the US. He would probably answer screw you, I am happy here, I am not poor, and I dont want to live in the country that is so hated around the world,and has such high crime rate. This is just so typical, arrogant mindset of many people in the US. Most people around the world dont think this is such a great place.
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by babooph October 20, 2008 4:51 AM PDT
Does she know we already "experimented " with a religious nut ?
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by john43218 October 20, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
During the primaries, despite outspending Hillary Clinton by 2 to 1 or 4 to 1 in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, Clinton still won those battles. Maybe at some point, voters will tune out the flood of ad messages and the selling of Obama by the national media, and decide for themselves.

One thing is clear: Obama has shown how much he likes to spend by how he has run this campaign ,. This is a foretaste of his presidency should he be elected . Repeat the phrase "tax and spend", and you will get a good sense of what an Obama Presidency would be like.

If a candidate can spend on a Presidential campaign more than double what any other campaign in history has ever spent before, think of what the size of the federal government will look like after one or two terms of an Obama presidency.


How a candidate runs his campaign is an important indicator of the character of the man or woman we may elect. In the case of Obama, the evidence is that he is a very skillful, ambitious, and driven candidate, and also a very, very cynical and dishonest one. What Obama says means very little. He is after all a clever lawyer. We have had a recent experience with a very smart lawyer as President and how he parsed words. In Obama''s case, the lies have been pretty blatant, despite the best spinning efforts by the campaign.

It is not his words, but what Obama does that matters. And right now, Barack Obama is trying to buy the Presidency, and it looks like he is succeeding.


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by mlr_08 October 20, 2008 8:29 AM PDT
It''s kind of funny with the Palin quotes. They should read "So-and-so told Palin to say:_______". Seriously, the woman doesn''t think for herself. She''s a parrot. If you asked her what socialism or a socialist is, IF she could give an answer (unlikely) it would more than likely be verbatim from Webster''s.
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by mousetheemt October 20, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
So in other words, Palin is against ALL forms of taxation which is in and of itself "spreading the wealth." Or perhaps there is something about the American infrastructure, supported by our education, transportation, legal and financial system that she does not like? Ah Sarah, golly-gosh darnit those *** taxes, in her own words she wants to screw "Larry the garbage man" and "Bob the policeman" out of a job, those socialist ***
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by mattcat25 October 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
Republicans have demonstrated that they desire to PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS when they can make $money, and SOCIALIZE THE LOSSES because they don%u2019t want to pay for anything including TAXES!
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by mlr_08 October 20, 2008 12:10 PM PDT
I wish people would get educate themselves. You really think McCain is on YOUR side???

He "continues to argue that large tax cuts for the wealthiest households are the most reliable way to stimulate growth. You know what does happen when you cut rich people''s taxes? They get richer.

Last week, John McCain released his economic plan to "help" folks battered by the recession. The plan included a cut in the capital gains tax by half (from an already too low 15% to 7.5%).

Th type of income, such as the profits from selling appreciated assets like stocks, is SO CONCENTRATED among the wealthiest families, that only 0.2 percent, or $4, of the gains from this cut will reach middle-income folks. Yet smack in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the Depression, this is what a presidential candidate comes up with."
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by benighse October 20, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
At least Sarah was in ROSWELL, NM----Any possibility that it was to catch a ride home to that other planet she came from?????---We Can Hope!
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by newslink October 20, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
Palin should open mouth, and insert foot. She is up to her old tricks. Name-calling, which has not helped. She has called Obama everything but Yankee Doodle, is that next Palin?
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by lindyb2 October 20, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
Palin said that Obama was not being straightforward about his tax plan.

%u201CHe claims that he''ll cut income taxes for 95 percent of Americans, but the problem is more than 40 percent of Americans pay no income taxes at all. So how can you cut income taxes for folks who don''t pay them?%u201D

Palin is asking some very good questions while many in the Democrat party are sitting back and believing.

There will be no tax cuts...the utmost experts in the world state that cutting taxes during this time of crisis would toss us into depression....either tax cuts or depression, take your choice.

And see if you can find the answer to Palin''s question above, from the Obama campaign. Nobody is able to answer it...they don''t want to address the 40% who don''t pay taxes and receive money back, known as earned income. I know a woman who pays no taxes and gets $600 from the goverment every April.....surprise folks, its earned income and Obama wants to increase it.
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by jefflz-2009 October 20, 2008 8:53 PM PDT
Unbeknown to Palin, like most facts, McCain''s idea is to take money from the poor and middle class and spread it to the rich. It is called the Trickle Down Theory of economics and it is a proven failure. Nothing trickles down. The rich just get richer. McCain wants to call Obama a socialist but he has no problem using tax payer dollars to bail out big banks, big insurance companies and to subsidize big oil. If that''s not really socialism , what is? McCain''s form of socialism is OK because it benefits his people - the wealthiest 1% of the nation. Palin doesn''t even know that Bush''s Trickle Down policy that McCain is so wedded to, which Bush''s father called VooDoo Economic is a major reason this country is in a state of financial crisis. She, like her partner in crime is an out of touch hypocrite whose failure as a candidate leaves her nothing but fear and smear to spread around.
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by clatech October 21, 2008 4:49 AM PDT
If you%u2019ve ever worked for a union shop or bureaucracy you know when someone says %u201Cspread the overtime%u201D or %u201Cspread the wealth%u201D like those famous Obama words. It%u2019s time to bend over and grab your ankles. Because if you try to out perform anyone else you%u2019re screwed. There is no reward for working harder. As a matter of fact the slower you work, the more comfortable your co-worker will feel around you.
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by cfcarlos October 21, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
Just as there are social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, there are social socialists and fiscal socialists. The particulars of political agendas aside, both kinds of socialists believe in growing the power of the central government, whether through higher taxes, deficit spending or printing money. In this regard, Barack Obama''s plan to "spread the wealth" is no more socialistic than McCain''s plan to buy up bad mortgages and to keep funding the open-ended war in Iraq.
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by October 22, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
It is socialism when the government takes away three homes out of five from a couple and gives them or rents them to homeless people.
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