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September 1, 2008 6:09 PM

Protesters Push Antiwar Message At RNC

(ST. PAUL) Several thousand people gathered in the shadow of the St. Paul capitol building this morning to rally ahead of a protest march to the Xcel Energy Center, where the Republican National Convention kicked off (in abbreviated form, due to Hurricane Gustav) today.

Most of the protesters had come to express their desire for U.S. troops to leave Iraq, though their methods were wildly different: Teamsters dressed in blue union t-shirts lounged on the grass as Code Pink protesters, dressed in elaborate pink dresses and costumes, danced and waved; young men in black t-shirts, bandanas over their faces, held their fists in the air and chanted slogans while two men wearing giant Bush and Cheney heads danced to a song called “Insane In The McCain Brain” condemning the administration.

Photo Essay: See Images Of The Rally

More muted were members of Iraq Veterans Against The War, who, clad in stark black t-shirts, gathered in small groups away from the protest theatrics.

Vincent Emanuele, a member of the group and Indiana native, served eight months in Iraq, and said he didn’t oppose the war when it started. But after seeing the “killing of innocents, abuse of prisoners, destruction of civilian property,” he said he became disillusioned.

“This of course was completely contradictory to the mission that we were originally sent to do which was that quote unquote winning hearts and minds,” Emanuele said. He spoke of “watching contractors handing out business cards to infantry guys as they were leaving Iraq, as in here was a job for you to do when you’re done.”

Melida Arredondo Alexander brought a coffin to the protest, as well as a photograph of her stepson, Corporal Alexander Arrredondo, who was killed in Iraq at age 20. She handed out copies of one of the letters Arrredondo sent from Iraq, which read in part, “I am not afraid of dying. I am more afraid of what will happen to all the ones that I love if something happens to me.”



“The Bush administration will not show the caskets, will not show the dead, and will not show how it affects the families,” said Alexander, a photo of her stepson on her t-shirt.

“John McCain, who served in Vietnam, has been stating very emphatically that the continued occupation of Iraq is to justify those who have died already,” she continued. “And I find that to be immoral and in poor taste, to suggest that basically the blood that my stepson gave doing his job is sufficient reason to continue killing people and having casualties both of US troops and of the Iraqi people."

The crowd gathered at the capitol were peaceful, though by late afternoon, CBS News’ Allison O’Keefe reports, downtown St Paul police appeared to be on high alert.

“Riot Police are everywhere, many of them with masks on, as one set of riot police fired off four rounds of tear gas in the direction of some anarchist protestors,” she reports.

“The tear gas was released down by the river where a number of police on horses and bicycle cops, also wearing masks, have formed.” (Here’s a report on the clashes with police and arrests that took place after the gathering at the capitol.)

Back at the pre-march gathering, a dreadlocked man led a chant of “bring our troops home now” from the stage. Del Grote stood in the grass clad in a black-and-white striped prisoner uniform, adopted from a Halloween costume he made two years before.

He said he feels the president should be in jail, and explained that he didn’t feel it would have been right to not protest because of Hurricane Gustav.

“The war in Iraq is every bit as important as the hurricane that is hitting the New Orleans area,” he said. “I think they’re totally two separate issues.”

“They took such a beating after what happened with Katrina, that’s why they’re making such a big show of shutting everything down now,” Texas native Mim Olsen in reference to the Republicans’ decision to tone down their convention, arguing that their actions have not been sincere.

Minnesota native Lauren DeLand, who held a sign reading “STOP TORTURING PEOPLE YOU FREAKS,” said she was protesting because of the war as well as “the future of reproductive rights in this country.” She said the point of the protest wasn’t to convince the Republicans gathered at the Xcel Center but rather to spur Americans in opposition to them.

“This is a message for the entire country, because in order to get Republicans out of the White House and out of government, we need to mobilize people to vote them out,” she said.

UPDATE: At 6:30 pm local time, O’Keefe spoke to Doug Holtz of the St. Paul Police Department. He told her police have arrested 56 people so far – and they expect that number to rise. The arrests include trespassing, disorderly conduct, and gross misdemeanors, and include four felony charges. Holtz said that police have "stood the line while being pelted with rocks."

UPDATE: At 8:45 local time, the Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting more than 100 arrests and use of tear gas and pepper spray by police.
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by misha128-2009 September 1, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
With hopes that no one (of everyone involved) was injured in any referenced incidents.

Rush Limbaugh made comments about riots in Denver and their political impact.

See http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/detail.htm

That call seemed to backfire and the protesters arrived at the Republican Convention as noted above and violence unfortunately (for all involved) was not avoided with at least some of the protesters.
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by vnveteran72 September 1, 2008 8:01 PM PDT
The Neocon Nazi Gestapo arrived at several residences, dressed in Military Uniforms, wearing hoods, carrying Automatic Weapons, Kicked in Doors, Handcuffed Reporters and Attorneys, without proper warrants, then left, without charging anyone with anything. Elsewhere, people planning to protest were roughed up, and detained without charge, for "36 hours", beginning after the Holiday Monday, making it impossible for them to attend protests, even though they were suspected or charged with NO crimes.
Lawless Intimidation by these carefully coordinated forces of the Neocon Nazi Regime are not only Highly Illegal, they are Blatantly Unconstitutional.
The Reich will not allow dissent in America.
We''ve become exactly like China in our Police State repression of dissent. A very unAmerican Policy.
Welcome to Amerikkka, GOP style.
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by negrovoter September 1, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
If Mr Barack and his pastor pray for God to d*mn American then this hurricane his fault.

Can you give me 44 cents so I can buy a KFC box lunch?


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by luvienne September 1, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
What are you Republicans afraid of? Your police are more violent than the protestors.
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by gunplay3 September 1, 2008 9:36 PM PDT
This is all controlled and contrived by the hard left democrats that run the democratic party now. This just goes to show the hypocrisy that the liberals display every day. They preach tolerance but only for those that stay in lockstep with their ideas. These protests are a tangible display of what is to be expected by the left every time someone disagrees with their god, Obama.
Also, if Obama gets it, he will throw the US under the bus to terrorist demands.
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by mainedoggie September 1, 2008 9:39 PM PDT
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This is all controlled and contrived by the hard left democrats that run the democratic party now. This just goes to show the hypocrisy that the liberals display every day. They preach tolerance but only for those that stay in lockstep with their ideas. These protests are a tangible display of what is to be expected by the left every time someone disagrees with their god, Obama.
Also, if Obama gets it, he will throw the US under the bus to terrorist demands.
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Suck it up Rove-boy, Suck-it-up. You are going to lose bigtime.

Piglet scum that you are.

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by mainedoggie September 1, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
The Neocon Nazi Gestapo arrived at several residences, dressed in Military Uniforms, wearing hoods, carrying Automatic Weapons, Kicked in Doors, Handcuffed Reporters and Attorneys, without proper warrants, then left, without charging anyone with anything. Elsewhere, people planning to protest were roughed up, and detained without charge, for "36 hours", beginning after the Holiday Monday, making it impossible for them to attend protests, even though they were suspected or charged with NO crimes.
Lawless Intimidation by these carefully coordinated forces of the Neocon Nazi Regime are not only Highly Illegal, they are Blatantly Unconstitutional.
The Reich will not allow dissent in America.
We''''ve become exactly like China in our Police State repression of dissent. A very unAmerican Policy.
Welcome to Amerikkka, GOP style.
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Amen.

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by mainedoggie September 1, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
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This is all controlled and contrived by the hard left democrats that run the democratic party now.
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Yes, in general, the Democrats tend to run the Democratic party.

Sorry for the rude awakening, maybe turn off sean hannity for awhile and you''ll see the light.

Knucklehead.

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by republic1776 September 1, 2008 9:55 PM PDT
These people are loosers.
Fight something that will save lives...
We have murder rates in America higher than the war count.
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by mainedoggie September 1, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
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These psycho protesters who got violent with police are the epitome of what controls the Democratic party nowadays:

Atheism.
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What a ********* comment.

Atheism will save this world from crazy Kooks like you who belong to "organized religion". You are the scariest people on this planet. Stark reminder jack-hole - 9-1l ring a bell?

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by ajaxtheleast September 1, 2008 10:52 PM PDT
All OTHER past shot, hung and

otherwise dispatched WAR CRIMINALS

would love to have had protests as

the only punishment exacted upon

them.
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by tapsettle September 1, 2008 10:56 PM PDT
We have murder rates in America higher than the war count.
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Posted by republic1776

Notice how that is based on US casualties, showing contemptible regard for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have died. Even if it were true (which it isn''t), what a disgraceful way to try to justify a war.
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by ourtomorrows September 1, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
If there were not a bunch of lefty loons demonstrating outside, it would not be a republican convention. I always find the violence these demonstrators invariably embark on somewhat at odds with the whole "peace march" idea, but that is just me and what do I know, I am a middle class, moderate Republican for goodness sake, we are generally too busy working, raising families, taking care of relatives to cause public displays that serve no useful purpose. I spent Saturday at work, Sunday volunteering at a local fair and Monday up to 7 PM with my family until I had to go in to catch up on some work. If I only had days to waste wallowing in the streets, oh well, it is that useful member of society thing that was drilled into me when I was a kid.
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by ourtomorrows September 1, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
Atheism will save this world from crazy Kooks like you who belong to "organized religion". You are the scariest people on this planet. Stark reminder jack-hole - 9-1l ring a bell?


Posted by mainedoggie

Well that is certainly a post riddled with careful thought. The vast majority of people in the world believe in some divinity. Atheists will never be more than a footnote in history if they are even able to survive into the next century.
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by smurfcrusher September 1, 2008 11:27 PM PDT
"...seeing the %u201Ckilling of innocents, abuse of prisoners, destruction of civilian property,%u201D he said he became disillusioned.

%u201CThis of course was completely contradictory to the mission that we were originally sent to do which was that quote unquote winning hearts and minds,%u201D Emanuele said.

He spoke of %u201Cwatching contractors handing out business cards to infantry guys as they were leaving Iraq, as in here was a job for you to do when you%u2019re done.%u201D

Yes, letting the contractors hand out cards to the infantry as they leave is a great cost-cutting measure. With so many soldiers contacted for next to nothing, the contractor can pay them rock-bottom wages to secure battle-hardened employees who would otherwise cost a fortune to hire.

I wonder what cut Bush et al get for providing this kind of access?
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by smurfcrusher September 1, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
"Atheists will never be more than a footnote in history if they are even able to survive into the next century."

Posted by ourtomorrows


Thinking NEVER goes out of style.

Religions do. Or are you still worshipping Zeus and Apollo?
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by smurfcrusher September 1, 2008 11:35 PM PDT
"...Who are the Atheist dictators I mentioned held accountable to? Nobody? They got away with what they did because there is no God for them to be judged by!? Thank Nietzsche! They must be relieved."

Posted by wawhite74

Hitler was not an Atheist. Get your facts straight.

Atheists don''t believe in a "bonus round" after death, nor that all sins are forgiven on confession (wonderful way to justify mass murder, rape, and other religious crimes). It''s OK to die for your holy war, because you''ll go to heaven forever.

Of course these people are writing checks that can never be cashed... but there''s a sucker born every minute, as the saying goes.
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by erichsh September 2, 2008 12:03 AM PDT
These wackos are also spraying chemicals into delegates'' eyes and attacking them. Way to go, peace-loving, tolerant liberals.
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by erichsh September 2, 2008 12:03 AM PDT
These wackos are also spraying chemicals into delegates'' eyes and attacking them. Way to go, peace-loving, tolerant liberals.
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by joetryb September 2, 2008 12:06 AM PDT
I am sure many of you have heard by now the news that Amy Goodman, national commentator on Democracy Now, was arrested this morning by St Paul police for something to the effect of suspicion of starting a riot. She was covering demonstrations at the Repub convention. Those of you who know, as well as those who didn''t, ask yourselves: Why is this story not on CBS, NBC , ABC, CNN, Fox Cable News, etc ? It is a serious news story relevant to all of us. Even those who may not realize the significance of her arrest should ask why the story is almost invisible. The Wash Post and the SF Chron mention the event in general articles about the protests and, of course, Democracy Now.
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by allurfears September 2, 2008 12:06 AM PDT

Free Speech? LMFAO

"Constitution", "Liberty", "Free Speech", "Bill of Rights" are concepts that have been demonized by the far right and other authoritarians in the USA. The media is cowed, just like in China, from exposing government excesses. They fear being labeled "un-American" by the Right wing propaganda machine. The American people are simply disinterested.

The police state is coming. Some Americans applaud it as they cower in fear of "terrorism" and are willing to sacrifice their liberty for false promises of safety. All the police have to do is make false accusations of "terrorism", and the cowards among us cry "protect us", allowing any excess the government practices. Later, when these charges are proven false, the media is silent to the injustices. However, the damage as been done.

Most Americans just do not care any more. They think that they will never lose their liberty and are blind to the police state being established by American authoritarian politicians and the rapidly growing "security" apparatus. By the time they realize we are no longer free it will be too late. Perhaps our downfall is inevitable.


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by rjsparling September 2, 2008 5:52 AM PDT
Allurfears - I agree with your position. All these "support the troops" sheeple have forgotten to support the troops of the revolutionary war. They have forgotten that those brave men fought a war to gain freedom from the tyranny of an overstrong central government (King) that did injustices to them. These sheeple run around spouting "Great American Values" forgetting that the making of America is contained in the constitutiona and, perhaps more importantly, the Bill of Rights. Now they are scared and are giving up those rights - returning power to a strong cventral government. What can the only possible outcome be? Well, the cure for 1984 is 1776, or, ala Yogi Beara, Deja Vu all over again.
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by bluestardad September 2, 2008 6:50 AM PDT
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT Amy Goodman of Democracy Now HAS BEEN ARRESTED!

OF ALL PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ARRESTED THIS LADY IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

THE WORLD NEEDS WAR CRIMES TRIALS NOW FOR THE TEXASDICKTATER AND HIS SPUD NEOCON FRIENDS WHO HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IN THE NAME OF OIL!
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by brianbwb-2009 September 2, 2008 7:37 AM PDT
Posted by maxify55

It is because of people like you, who gave up, that those sociopaths are allowed the arrogance to think they are a force of nature, like your wind analogy.

You did more than give up, you joined them, and now are one of those whom the inexorable tide of change will crush underfoot.

The "wind" you speak of is the natural progress that is a given for all life. the so called "conservatives" try to halt the progression, but it is they who are but a hindrance, not a block, they will be swept aside like all who presume the arrogance to try to control nature.
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by dianaclary September 2, 2008 7:47 AM PDT
Honestly who cares who this woman supported for President? She is a human being and her family must be suffering terribly right now. I am not sure who needs prayers more--Rep Jones or the morally bankrupt people who wish her ill because of her political beliefs.
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by dianaclary September 2, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
These protesters threw bleach at elderly people and terrorized Cub Scouts to protest against the violence of war. These individuals are the evil ones.
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by buckscc September 2, 2008 8:33 AM PDT
What ABC news won%u2019t publish about what really went on during these protests.
%u201CFive people were accused of setting fire to a trash bin and pushing it into a police car, St. Paul police spokesman Tom Walsh said.%u201D
%u201CProtesters attacked members of the Connecticut delegation when they got off their buses near Xcel Center, delegates told FOX News.com and a local TV station.%u201D
%u201CA group of protesters came toward the delegation and tried to rip the credentials off their necks and sprayed them with a toxic substance that burned their eyes and stained their clothes, delegate Rob Simmons told KMSP-TV.%u201D
%u201COne 80-year-old member of the delegation had to be treated for injuries, and several other delegates had to rinse their eyes and clothing, the station reported.%u201D
%u201CDelegate Arne Schoeller Jr. said that on the way back to Xcel Center, his bus driver was talking to St. Paul Police when a protester boarded the bus uninvited.%u201D
For more information please check out other national news media web sites on the Internet.
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by buckscc September 2, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
Part 2: What ABC news won%u2019t publish about what really went on during these protests.
%u201CThere were protesters laying on the ground, giving us the finger,%u201D Schoeller, of Baltimore, said. %u201COne got on the bus and %u2018thanked%u2019 us profanely, saying %u2018Thank you for (expletive) up this country%u2019 or something along those lines.%u201D
%u201CAt one point, people pushed a trash bin filled with trash and threw garbage in the streets and at cars. They also took down orange detour signs. One of them used a screwdriver to puncture the back tire of a limousine waiting at an intersection and threw a wooden board at the vehicle, denting its side. Another hurled a glass bottle at a charter bus that had stopped at an intersection. The bottle smashed into pieces but did not appear to damage the bus.%u201D
%u201CProtesters were seen lying on an interstate exit ramp to block traffic in the downtown area and linking arms to block other roads.%u201D
%u201COn the weekend, authorities seized weapons and devices from a self-described anarchist group called the RNC Welcoming Committee, which was not among the organizers of the march. The devices were designed to disable buses, the sheriff%u2019s office said.%u201D

Unlike back in the 60%u2019s, police cannot arrest peaceful protesters.
For more information please check out other national news media web sites on the Internet.
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by ioweign September 2, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
We have murder rates in America higher than the war count.

Posted by republic1776 at 09:55 PM : Sep 01, 2008

Is that your justification to start another war - to "even" the numbers out...
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by nothappyatall September 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
Funny that there was no protests at the Dem''s convention and Obama is now 8 pts ahead of McShame after it, but there''s all these protests outside the rePUBIC-CON convention requiring riot gear equipped cops and tear gas LOL
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by notblue September 2, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
newster, that''s because the fringe leftwing extremists through bricks through bus windows, the 163 that were ARRESTED were not peaceful protesters. Like a spoiled child the leftwing in this country loves to create havoc.
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by gop_forever September 2, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
And no liberals, we arent cancelling parts of the convention due to this, we are doing it for the hurricanes.
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by gop_forever September 2, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
GAS THE PUBLIC NOW!
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by mattcat25 September 2, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
The Republicans have formulated a criterion to determine what a %u201Cgood death%u201D would be for our soldiers serving in Iraq. A Soldier must be killed by frontal gun fire, or blown up by a volatile device. Injured Soldiers shot (by sharp shooters) unexpectedly, or soldiers that survive explosions and expire later in army hospitals are not counted as %u201Cgood deaths%u201D or casualties.

Amputees, brain damaged, post traumatic stress syndrome, and suicides are also not counted as casualties of this war according to the Republicans. To dismiss the count as relatively low isn%u2019t a accurate and valid count of the casualties and is callus and disheartening by the Republicans that started this conflict on a lie to secure oil production contracts for private multinational corporations.
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by thcarson-2009 September 2, 2008 9:45 AM PDT
The police were only trying to delouse the dirty hippies with the pepper spray.
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by ioweign September 2, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
These wackos are also spraying chemicals into delegates'''' eyes and attacking them. Way to go, peace-loving, tolerant liberals.

Posted by erichsh at 12:03 AM : Sep 02, 2008

The article does not say that...
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by ioweign September 2, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
The police were only trying to delouse the dirty hippies with the pepper spray.

Posted by thcarson at 09:45 AM : Sep 02, 2008

Those Iraq veterans in the protest probably got those lice at a VA hospital that McCain voted against funding...
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by stn_sage September 2, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
While the two wars that Bush and the Republican party have bungled are important, so are every thing ELSE they''ve botched!

Let''s not loose sight of that!

That''s why we can''t elect someone who''ll make the SAME mistakes!
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by mattcat25 September 2, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
A vote for the Republicans is a vote to solidify the Conservative Right Wing Agenda to have the United States entrenched in perpetual Military Conflict and WAR!

The Military Industrial Complex spoken (warned!) by President Dwight Eisenhower has been desired by the Republican Party since 1960. The Conservatives see war and destruction as a means to divert wealth from the American People to the Private Elite Ruling Class.

A War Economy and industrial base of war products doesn%u2019t allow for the building, or sharing of wealth for the common American Worker because fabrication and assembly of products are ultimately destroyed.

We%u2019ve seen the Bush Administration and Rubber Stamp Republican Congress (with John McCain) commence an invasion and occupation of a sovereign country that didn%u2019t commit military aggression against the United States. Thus, for today The Republican Party has spent:
$550,599,621,000 with no plan to pay for the money barrowed from the Peoples Republican of China.

The US debt now has swelled to over $9 Billion Dollars, Americans have lost jobs and our Dollar has devalued because of the debt. War is the only answer and the plan by the Conservative Republicans that has seen their wealth increase while the average Americans have had their standard of living decrease.

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by excoachken September 2, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
Faux News headline "Protestors Turn Violent"----- led me to watch. I saw one unidentified guy throw a brick through a window, but no other "violence" by the "protestors." But, I was then shown, in the same reports, "Protestors" being dragged on the pavement by cop[s, beaten over the head with billyclubs, and other bystanders being sprayed with some noxious gas. Never once was there a scene of a "Protester" getting "violent" toward another human being. Faux "framing" of the report seems set up to "frame" the "protestors," since we all know that IF they had evidence of a violent act by a "protestor" we would be seeing it over and over again, 1000X. Wouldn''t a "Fair and Balanced" approach include a statement from a "Protest" leader as to why the were upset?
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by random_radar September 2, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
After seeing what the government did to the people of Iraq, why are veterans surprised that the government does the same thing to them when they protest at home?

How dumb can you be? If you oppose the government, bad things happen to you--in Iraq or the United States. Insurgents and malcontents will be eliminated because they are threats to the powers that be.
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by noloyalisti September 2, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
I wish I was there to protest as I was at the 2004 RNC. Protest is patriotic and I am happy that I tried to help warn people what was going to happen to our country. Now we have an even graver situation because we are starting so much lower on the ladder of success after 8 years of Bushoccio and his white trash party of death.
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by vetforobama September 3, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
I think it is absolutely discusting that McCain wouldn''t send a representative to discuss this issue with these veterans. He said he does not sit down to talk to terrorists. Maybe he equates these VETERAN protestors as terrorists.
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by vetforobama September 3, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
Those Iraq veterans in the protest probably got those lice at a VA hospital that McCain voted against funding...

Posted by IOWEIGN at 10:05 AM : Sep 02, 2008
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You said it all right. McInsane has one of the worst voting records in the senate.
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