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March 13, 2008 12:09 PM

Obama: Clinton Should Not Get Florida and Michigan Delegates

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From CBS News' Maria Gavrilovic:



WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Barack Obama argued today that the Michigan and Florida delegates should have a role in the Democratic convention, but that the delegates that Hillary Clinton won in those states should not be allocated to her. He said it “defies logic” to give her the delegates because the candidates agreed to abide by Democratic National Committee rules and not campaign in those states.

“The whole point of campaigning is that the voters actually start getting to know who the candidates are,” Obama said. “If we had made that determination and all these states are just putting my name on the ballot without me campaigning or running any significant ads, I would have lost by 20 points across the country, right? I don’t think anybody would think that was fair.”

Clinton won easily in both Florida and Michigan the first time around, but Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan and didn’t campaign at all in Florida, per DNC rules.

Obama said his campaign opposes a mail-in option in Florida, in part because of logistical concerns. He noted that both Clinton and the Florida house delegation also disagree with this option, but he hopes that an agreement will be reached soon. “Our campaign has been in conversations with the Michigan delegation, the Florida delegation, and the DNC and talked about what options are out there and I think they’re going to be explored over the next several weeks,” he said.

Obama also commented on Eliot Spitzer’s resignation, calling it a “tragedy.” When asked if it may impact Clinton’s campaign, Obama argued that it should not. “I think that first of all Senator Clinton should be judged on her own merits,” he said. “I think that people can actually draw better conclusions from how our respective campaigns have been run where I am in charge of my campaign and she’s in charge of hers.”

There is also the ongoing endorsement battle between the two candidates. Obama admitted to speaking to Al Gore last week and John Edwards two weeks ago, but did not indicate whether he expects an endorsement from either.
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 5:48 PM EDT
I am not Sen. Obama fan but I would like to say one thing, If you know anything this guys has done to make him not eligible to lead this country why cant you say it so that the Democratic party leader will cast him out of this race.Come out of any wrong doings of this guys so that we can end this race as quichly as possible.

You may be my friend but I may not know all you doings. I will never defends what is not defendable

For example is the just disgraced NY gov.

He is an upright man as people know him; supposed he was not cought by FBI who will ever know he engadged in such a shameful act.

My friend give me a break

Let justice prevail let the voice of people heard.

At the end D party will win the election.

I will support whoever wins the primary.
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by crtoo March 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
I keep getting drawn back to his own words and actions. Rather non-actions.

In this article "....he said. %u201CI think that people can actually draw better conclusions from how our respective campaigns have been run where I am in charge of my campaign and she%u2019s in charge of hers.%u201D

Directed to the accusations of racism from her constituents. All of which she rejected and took action.

Whereas not once has Obama rejected nor taken action against his constituents.

This is how he plays the race card to his advantage and is destroying the parties chances to win the General election.

I would respect him if he had the stones to stand up and say "Stop with the race smut". Or "I do not agree with what So and So said and reject his comments."

Why should he, it gets him more votes to go along. He will do WHAT EVER it takes to get elected, just like every other politician will, yet postulates how he is different and removed from it.

He is a Chameleon. Wolf in Sheeps clothing and dangerous.
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by crtoo March 14, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
So long as the Rev. Wright kept his opinion off the front pages he was of great influence to Sen. Obama, once they became a topic of concern to his followers, he distances himself from the Rev.

And by the way Rev. Obama grew up in Hawaii and did not face all the racists tragedies you liken to him. Obama stated he did not suffer prejudice and He was raised by those so called "Rich White Folks".

Obama''s relationship with Rezko, So long as he was not on the front pages Obama denied any relationship or knowledge of his wrong doings. Once it became public Obama danced from one side to the other about knowing vs. not knowing, friends vs. not friends, contributions vs. no contributions.

I am sure there are other things to come out which will paint a different light on Obama, than he portrays now.

Those things are really just part of Politics. But Obama''s hypocrisy about his own shortcomings and his adamant stand against politics as usual is what speaks in capital letters about the man.

He cannot throw mud into a fan and not get smudged.
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
Has he ever made this type of idiotic statement? before, if he does, didyou know what Barack has told him? if not I dont want you to judge people so that should not be judged according to our holy Bible.
Let face the current problem how democratic party will win the election in November
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
i think we should forget Reverend Wright, he is for the past we are talking about the future here, Obama has distances himself from this man; to me it seems the man is paranoid, he was out of character. how can you say what happened to America 9/11 is right. this man is not normal let forget about him.

If there is revote and Obama looses; then he has not connect with the state voters, if he wins well voters believes they have trust in him.

Dont let us attach any meaning to what Reverend Wright was saying .

He is an !!!!!!! I dont want to be rude on this debate.

Just pray for God guidiance . I dont want anything than Democratic party V I C T O R Y in November
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by crtoo March 14, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
and while i''''m at it, does anyone out there believe that the 80%-90% black vote for obama is not at the very least somewhat racist?

YES, I agree.

To spin it any other way is a lie. People have been cloaking their thoughts why they are voting for Obama because they can not accept in themselves that they are voting for him as a Black. Either because they think it is the right time, or poor guy give him a break, or just because he is running as a Black candidate.

I do not negate the fact that he is educated, yes he is. I do not negate the fact that he has about as much experience as Bush had.

I do not negate the fact that he is an idealist.

I do find him to be silver tongued and evasive.

I do find him to be opportunistic and playing both sides.

I do find him to be subliminally extremist in his messages.

I do find him playing the race card to his advantage.

I do find him to be a coward and only reacts to public opinion.

I do not want him as president, until such time as he can be honest with the public as well as to himself. I think he truly believes in his own hype to the point of ignorance on reality.

I once thought he would make a good President, but found he jumped the gun. His own arrogance let him down this path. He can use some humility and time to prove he can do what he imagines he can do. So far he has not proven he can do any of what he says. His voting record and his own words in the past, which he does not speak of now, proves he has more to learn.
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by crtoo March 14, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
I believe the people of Mi. and Fl. should have a say in who is to represent them on the Democratic ticket.

A new election should be held in both states.

neither Senators Obama nor Clinton should have more say, campaigning or advertising in either States.

Those States should not economically benefit with all the money spend in advertising and housing all the campaign people.

If they count the delegates in either State without another election, then it is pure politics and to heck with what the people want or should have.

For either candidate to spar for delegates based on the past elections is a fraud.

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by whanna4 March 14, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
barack knows that it is very hard for him to win a closed primary like florida and michigan, the caucus wins in republican states and the open primary states he will not win all of them again in the general election. republicans voting for him in the open primary states voted against hillary as much if not more than voting for him. and while i''m at it, does anyone out there believe that the 80%-90% black vote for obama is not at the very least somewhat racist? if not he has to be the most perfect candidate unknown to the white masses. finally, he has won a couple of states necessary for a democrat to win the general election, i will be urging my and other superdeligates to look at the electability and not what a minority of potential voters are letting their emotions dictate, after all the young vote and black vote will not carry a liberal to the white house. the neocons are licking their chops.
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
Hi Mate CRTOO,

I dontdont want to drawn into argument but try and face reality.
Sen Obama did not win in FL no matter what happened sen. Cliton won there she will have the large nos of deligates,when he said that he want deligates of both Fl and MI to be seated he is trying to solve the problem. let me tell you if I were him I will refused the deligates to be seated honest ask me why? because there is rules in place before the election. Do you want to tell me that those rules are meant for animals?. But because he wants peace to reign he wanted the deligates to be seated because they were part of the process, how can you justify a deligates where his name was not even on a ballot in MI to be seated with remedy. think of it yourslf. well what ever happened somebody will be the nomeneeif it happened to Hillar good luck if it happened to be Barack good luck, my prayer is that may almighty God in his infinity rebuild America and safe us from the hand od our enemy.

Once again my advice to Democratic party leaders is that they should pary for Gods wisdom and guidiance to enable them arrives in better judgement.
WISDOM! WISDOM!! WISDOM!!!D LEADERS
FORGET SELFISHNES AND SELFCENTERED
WORK FOR THE RECOVERY OF AMERICAN ECONOMY.

GOD BLESS AMERICA


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by craigh9 March 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
This is so ridiculous-

-Florida and Michigan bosses make a decision based solely to get more exposure by moving up their primary.

-Florida and Michigan bosses were informed of consequences of doing so but make a concious decision to go forward anyway with the new time table.

-The candidates were informed of the consequences and agreed to them, including not campaigning there.

-The candidate that would benefit most from having these tainted elections count is shocked that the people of Florida and Michigan won''''t be heard - when this information was known and agreed to months before.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses are shocked that the consequences they knew about will actually be followed through on.

-The Florida and Michigan bosses now claim the DNC is somehow to blame for the situation and need to take action.

I feel sorry for the people of Florida and Michigan that their votes and delegates will not count - but put your anger where it belongs - squarely on the party bosses and election officals that have made Florida the laughing stock of the nation when it comes to the election process and is now having Michigan run a close second.

The only action required by the DNC is to stand by their decision and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the states will abide by the ground rules next time.


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by crtoo March 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
"...If Obama said the deligates should not be seated then you will qoute him and his now saying he want them to be seated because he is behaving like leader who want justice,..." posted by Sammykay3

All well and good IF Sen. Obama flip flops?
First he says NO WAY should the delegates count because of the rule, now he says YES ONLY IF, and you defend that?

So you say It is ok for Sen. Obama to cry foul but Not Sen. Clinton. What double standards have come out in this election from the Obama camp.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

HE has not denounced or rejected his people for their attacks on Clinton, although Clinton has rejected all who have made any hint of a statement that could be misconstrued. And it is Ok if Obama allows all this mud slinging to go on, but Clinton gets tied to the rafters for it.

Sorry, he is divisive to say the very least, opportunistic, spoiled, arrogant, self centered and plays both sides of the street - always with the innocent facade. I DO NOT BUY IT! Sen. Obama is VERY weak in character and proves it time and again.
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 2:55 PM EDT
I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND SOME POEPLE CAN NOT FACE THE TRUTH!!!!

The truth is there is a rules, then follow the rules

I am not for Obama nor Hillary,

If Obama said the deligates should not be seated then you will qoute him and his now saying he want them to be seated because he is behaving like leader who want justice,
To my suprise if some poeple who were writing damaging opinions about both candidate are true Democrats and they have the love of the party in heart they will not use the power of their pen to tier the party into pieces, they will rather use the power of their pen to unite the party.

I beleive some of the poeple here are republican who are trying to create enemity and distabilize domocratic party

BEWARE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. FOLLOW YOUR HEART AND PRAY FOR GOD WISDOM
DO NOT ALLOW THIS VICTORY TO ELUDE YOU THIS TIME AROUND .

WAKE D LEADERS.

i WILL ADVISE BOTH HILARRY AND OBAMA TO USE THE REMAINING OF THIS CAMPAIGN TO SO THE REPULICAN THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE SAME OBJECTIVES.

WORK BEHIND THE SCENE COME TOGETHER AND DELIVER THE VICTORY TO DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.
WORK TOWARDS ECONOMIC RECOVERY HEALTH CARE .

I AM NOT A POLITICIAN BUT i LOVE AMERICA FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
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by kimberlypeac March 14, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
She has spent her life trying to help the powerless. Yet no one remembers that, or they discount it and spread lies meant to destroy her. The woman is a hero, and she is my hero. The tragedy is that few really know her because so many lies were thrownat her that people started to believe it. If Hillary was your mother, your wife, or your sister, how would you feel about it? You would not be too happy, I am willing to bet! To those who participate in the Hillary Lies and have never bothered to find out the real truth, shame on you.
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by kimberlypeac March 14, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
Hillary was a republican who was cherry picked much like Obama was for the Democrats. She left it all and became a democrat over the civil rights movement.
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by kimberlypeac March 14, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
Just for the record Mr. Obama, there were jews and whites who risked their lives, their fortunes, to stand up for what was right and participate in the civil rights movement. These same people who could have staid on the sidelines and said not my fight, but did not, are now being called racist. People should check out the real Hillary Clinton and she what she has sone in her life before embracing the lies meant to destroy her.
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by kimberlypeac March 14, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
You ar kidding yourself if you think the Florida democrats a large majority whom are older will not punish the DNC in november if their votes are not counted. These Hillary haters to take a line from a song, "keep on spinning the lies to make up for all that they lack. All Kennedy and these others have done is make it much more likely that McCain wins in November. It is all the easier to vote republican this year because McCain is a moderate.

I care about Hillary and support her but no matter what she says I will not vote for Obama and it is not about race it is about Obama as a person. If Obama was part of the Hillary ticket I would reluctantly vote for it, and a few days ago I would have embraced it. I am now so disgusted with Mr. Obama and his cleaver games that having Obama on ticket almost pushes me to McCain. It is only Hillary that would prevent me from doing so.
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by crtoo March 14, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
Barack Obama argued today that the Michigan and Florida delegates should have a role in the Democratic convention, but that the delegates that Hillary Clinton won in those states should not be allocated to her. He said it %u201Cdefies logic%u201D to give her the delegates because the candidates agreed to abide by Democratic National Committee rules and not campaign in those states..."

Obama''s logic is slanted. Yes he did campaign in Florida, Clinton did not. His name was on the Ballat along with Clinton''s.

So he says they SHOULD count but not if it goes to Clinton. This is his typical "My way or No way", attitude.

When he was down on delegates he cried the popular vote should count for the Super Delegates. Now he says it is all about Delegate numbers? "My way or No way".

He is so typical of an only child spoiled by his grandparents. We already have a self declared ruler in the POTUS, imagine this spoiled child ranting and raving with "My way or No way" as the POTUS.

Sorry he needs to mature with a few hard knocks under his belt, before he is ready to WORK in the highest office in the USA.
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by sammykay3 March 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
Well, Ladies and gentlemen, on FL MI voting issue, has it been agreed by the party not to move the voting date upward? if it was agreed by the democratic party and every candidate accepted, then there is no case. the justice has been done. The rule say do not do this if you do it you will loose your benefit. You have already know the outcome of your action before you vote , then why did you waste your time and energy to go out and vote. why can''t you wait for the right time the party agreed to conduct the election? I dont think there is need to cry
To the Leaders of Democratic and party whips, the ball is in your court. Use your wisdom and do the right thing.
No matter what happens after this pimary, Democrat voters in both FL and MI will go out in November and support whoever is chosen as their candidate to white house to put the country back to normal.

There is no need to distroy a party that is already on their way to victory.

The Replican institution in FL are just using their power to distabilized Democrat in FL. but to my disbelieve some Democrat are just falling into this tricks. Wake up Democratic party!!!!!
Who ever come 1ST should be the president nomenee and whoever come 2ND should be Vice, aftet 8 years if they can deleiver what people want the Vice president can then stand and run for presidency surely he will win.
Do away with selfishness ans self Centred. come together and work your way to victory.

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by craigh9 March 14, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
This is so ridiculous-

-Florida bosses make a decision based solely to get more exposure by moving up their primary.

-Florida bosses were informed of consequences of doing so but make a concious decision to go forward anyway with the new time table.

-The candidates were informed of the consequences and agreed to them, including not campainging their.

-The candidate that would benefit most from having this tainted election count is shocked that the people of Florida won''''t be heard - when this information was known and agreed to months before.

-The Florida bosses are shocked that the consequences they knew about will actually be followed through on.

-The Florida bosses now claim the DNC is somehow to blame for the situation and need to take action.

I feel sorry for the people of Florida and Michigan that their votes and delegates will not count - but put your anger where it belongs - squarely on the party bosses and election officals that have made Florida the laughing stock of the nation when it comes to the election process.

The only action required by the DNC is to stand by their decision and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the states will abide by the ground rules next time.
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by karela33 March 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
Florida elected democrats voted 115 to 1 to move the primary. Republicans helped, but dems sure agreed. If this were a football team and your opponent was losing, would you vote to let them change the rules in their own favor at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Senator Clinton gave her word of "Honor" not to "participate" in early MI and FL elections. Could I loan her a dictionary? She seems a little confused about the definitions of "Honor" and "participation". If this were the other way around she would be ordering us to do the exact opposite of what she''s ordering us to do now. This is situational ethics at it''s worst. I live in Michigan and I lost my vote in the primary too, but I know cheating and cheap tricks when I hear them. I''m actively working to help get my candidate elected in the general election where it counts. I''m no victim. And if my candidate loses, you can bet I''ll be voting for the democratic opponent. How many of our kids are we willing to get killed in Iraq in the interest of our egos? Let''s not forget what we''re about and what we stand for.
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