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February 13, 2008 1:43 PM

Clinton, In "Solutions Business," Hits Obama Over Debate

Hillary Clinton's campaign has unveiled a new ad in Wisconsin, "Debate," which hits rival Barack Obama for not agreeing to participate in a debate in the state. Wisconsin voters go to the polls next Tuesday..

"Both Democratic candidates were invited to a televised debate here in Wisconsin," an announcer says in the spot. "Hillary Clinton has said yes. Barack Obama hasn’t. Maybe he’d prefer to give speeches than have to answer questions."

What questions, you ask?

"Like why Hillary Clinton has the only health care plan that covers every American, and the only economic plan that freezes foreclosures," the announcer says.



Clinton also isn't going easy on Obama on the stump. The day after losing all three Potomac primary contests by a wide margin, she cast herself as the candidate who offers specific solutions at an appearance in Texas.

``I am in the solutions business,'' Clinton said, according to the Associated Press. ``My opponent is in the promises business.''
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by l00ker February 13, 2008 3:25 PM PST
He''s booked right now in meetings with the Wisconsin, Ohio and Texas voters, but don''t call him, he''ll call you, in Texas and Ohio. By the way, how''s business these days?
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by cbsespo February 13, 2008 3:35 PM PST
A new spin by a desperate campaign. Barack Obama would clean her clock in a real,unmoderated debate. Barack Obama has too much knowledge and substance to articulate his solutions in 30 second increments imposed by the typical format. My suggestion is to debate her without the restraint of moderation. As a law professor, constitutional expert and lecturer, he is used to having his time to develop his argument. This is what the current debate format has deprived him of.
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by dragontek-2009 February 13, 2008 4:08 PM PST
Mr Obama-the man of hype, and not hope- a man who has the least qualifications of any candidate from either party.

I am sure in time the American people will be smart enough not to elect such a charlatan.
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by user168-2009 February 13, 2008 4:10 PM PST
"There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain."

Obama: lover of wisdom
McCain: lover of honor
Clinton: lover of gain

Obama appears to have greater appeal to highly educated Americans. WHY?

Highly educated people are those who have acquired imparting of knowledge, positive judgment and well-developed WISDOM - consisting of ideals and principles that govern all actions and decisions to maximize the LONG-TERM COMMON GOOD, and so are the highly educated Americans.

It is for LONG-TERM COMMON GOOD we EDUCATE our YOUTH, and so be it that the highly educated seek PURPOSE in LONG-TERM COMMON GOOD. This is called COMMON SENSE.

So be it that the highly educated seek WISDOM and its TRUTH in their choice of a president!

If you seek not WISDOM in a leader, what then, do you seek? If you hold not TRUTH, FAITHFULNESS, and SINCERITY as your first principles, what then, do you hold?

If you are a parent, an educator, or a community leader, and if you seek not such LONG-TERM COMMON GOOD WISDOM, you care not about the children, family, community, society, country, or THE COMMON WORLD. How can we let our children follow such self-gratifying Clintons??


"LIVE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD."

This is what the highly educated are going for.

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by pierre_m February 13, 2008 4:11 PM PST
ah.....desperation tantrums set in. It is fascinating how the Clinton campaign was in no particular hurry when they were ahead. Hillary in the Solutions Business? I don''t think so. Hillary is in the ME, ME, ME business. Like Billy was.
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by pierre_m February 13, 2008 4:12 PM PST
ah.....desperation tantrums set in. It is fascinating how the Clinton campaign was in no particular hurry when they were ahead. Hillary in the Solutions Business? I don''t think so. Hillary is in the ME, ME, ME business. Like Billy was.
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by user168-2009 February 13, 2008 4:14 PM PST
Unlike Hillary, he doesn''t have the know-how to survive their attacks. I have not seen one negative attack on Obama anywhere. He will not know how to deal with it.

Posted by hopetrumps


Hillary gets attacks because she says and does wicked things. Same as criminals get charged.

Wise and good people don''t usually get such attacks.

Why is there a post "How-To Guide For a Clinton Comeback"?

I''m sorry, she just can''t handle anything the right way. She needs help to do things ethically and correctly!

Of course, it is the DUMB that needs How-To Guide.

Who with wisdom needs How-To Guide?

Vote for Hillary is voting for a DUMB CLUCK.

Believe in Hillary is called DANGEROUS.

Love Hillary is to love NARCISSISM.

Follow Hillary is following the BLIND.

Answer: only the ignorant and the self-seeking would do the above.

(I sure hope no young adult, parent, educator, or community leader belong to this group!)
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by sonja44-2009 February 13, 2008 4:21 PM PST
cbsespo - politicians and lawyers are RAISED on MODERATED debates. that''s not the problem about Barack and debates. The problem is he''d rather tell us to go to his website than bother to learn about his own policies in enough depth to elaborate. He can''t be doin this as president. We''re gonna get laughed at or taken to lunch.
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by l00ker February 13, 2008 4:27 PM PST
Yeah, that may be true, but he still needs to spend more time talking and listening to his voters, instead of entertaining Hillarious, and giving her an opportunity to cackle.
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by rfcrtl February 13, 2008 4:58 PM PST
The fact is that why would Obama bother in debates? Would you? He''s getting by very well with naive people by making empty promises. You can''t just go to Congress with a plan that says "I just want to hug everybody!" It doesn''t work. We need someone who has CONCRETE solutions, not just the same, empty repetition of the word "change." Talk is cheap. Let''s see some results, Mr. Rookie Senator.
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by drbob10001 February 13, 2008 5:07 PM PST
Brian, your article is a Clinton Ad, plain and simple, so biased it''s shameful.
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by cbsespo February 13, 2008 5:39 PM PST
We are witnessing a movement. Not a campaign, not an election, a movement ! Barack Obama is the catalyst for an America that returns to the ideals that created it. The politics of yesterday won`t cut it. The Clinton record will not do it.Americans are smarter, news is faster. Don`t let the current worries about super delegates or the banned Michigan, Florida votes concern you. Barack Obama will win so convincingly that the super delegates would commit political suicide by going against him. The press has an interest in perpetuating the myth that this is even close. The more perceived competition the more papers sold .
No battles, just Obama. Enough of the drama !
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by formlessness-2009 February 13, 2008 5:54 PM PST
HAHAHA... what a croc of sh*t. You''re in the solutions business not the promises business? A) *** are you talking about, last week you made the retarded promise that there will be no new scandals during your presidency, something which I might add you really shouldn''t promise.
B) what have you solved? you don''t know how to solve anything Hillary. Half the country hates your guts, your the same thing as Bush with a skirt and you''ll be about as effective as he was. Not enough people in politics like you enough to make your presidency do anything but fail.

Hillary Who?
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by furion3 February 13, 2008 6:17 PM PST
For the record, there have already been EIGHTEEN (18) debates. What in the world is left to debate about? We know their positions. We know their strengths, we know their appeal.

At this point, more debates would only hurt Obama because they would force him to waste time preparing for a debate instead of being out campaigning, like he should be.

Not to mention that Hillary is short on funds and debates would give her free advertising.

Her call for debates is only a red herring, harping with no substance.

Oh, and they already have 2 more debates scheduled, so she doesn''t have a leg to stand on.
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by fatalx1a February 13, 2008 6:18 PM PST
Senator Obama has already had 18 debates with the woman. Hillary is the better "stopwatch" debater and she''s quick to nail Obama whenever he doesn''t have a canned answer...but is that a requisite for leadership? What good are canned opinions?
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by kstar42 February 13, 2008 8:17 PM PST
Mr Obama-the man of hype, and not hope- a man who has the least qualifications of any candidate from either party.

I am sure in time the American people will be smart enough not to elect such a charlatan.
Posted by dragontek at 04:08 PM : Feb 13, 20

I agree... He can talk the talk but can he walk the walk... Let the republicans talk with him.. he''ll be blowing snot bubbles.
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by jheckerman February 13, 2008 8:28 PM PST
Obama doesn%u2019t tell the whole truth. - He had -exactly- the same position on Iran as Hillary earlier this year, before he skipped that vote and flipped-flopped because he saw a political opportunity- I was led to believe he actually voted against the war.
He is too inexperienced and too idealistic. He is too liberal, too fringe, he takes too strong a line on divisive issues. (Black & White- no grey)
Is America ready to gamble on a miracle? The last six years have so disheartened, so broken our nation that would we place our bets on a long shot and go for broke. Not at the risk of getting another Republican in office. Play the safe bet. Hillary Clinton
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by dinslc February 13, 2008 8:31 PM PST
That''s about the dumbest Ad I''ve ever seen. He won''t have more debates? Seriously? That''s all you''ve got on him?

(rolling eyes)

After (literally) 20 debates, I, for one, don''t need to see any more. Those of you who do- go to youtube, where you''ll find about 45 hours of debates with Clinton and Obama.
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by l00ker February 13, 2008 8:33 PM PST
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, to all you Hillariousans out there, eat your hearts out.
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by l00ker February 13, 2008 8:36 PM PST
Play the safe bet. Hillary Clinton

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Posted by jheckerman at 08:28 PM : Feb 13, 2008


Anyone care to roll the dice? Daddy needs a new pair of shoes! Snap.
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by obamagravity February 13, 2008 9:37 PM PST
"He is too inexperienced" (I like that) "and too idealistic" (love that too) "He is too liberal" (can''t get enough of that) "too fringe" (I like lot''s of fringe) "he takes too strong a line on divisive issues" (Very, very, untrue)
Yep, That comment and most others really have no point. Why do some people just find it necessary to try and slander someone that is obviously the best choice for a nation drowning in yesterdays politics? Stop fighting it, and get on board man. This country is about to turn the corner and head in a much better direction for all it''s citizens.
To all the haters, prognosticators, and far right corporate butt lickers, Driving a cold, high-polished, steel dagger slowly into the chest "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh........."
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by obamagravity February 13, 2008 10:50 PM PST
"He is too inexperienced" (I like that) "and too idealistic" (love that too) "He is too liberal" (can''t get enough of that) "too fringe" (I like lot''s of fringe) "he takes too strong a line on divisive issues" (Very, very, untrue)
Yep, That comment and most others really have no point. Why do some people just find it necessary to try and slander someone that is obviously the best choice for a nation drowning in yesterdays politics? Stop fighting it, and get on board man. This country is about to turn the corner and head in a much better direction for all it''s citizens.
To all the haters, prognosticators, and far right corporate butt lickers, Driving a cold, high-polished, steel dagger slowly into the chest "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh........."
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by chuegevera February 14, 2008 12:22 AM PST
Debate, debate, debate for what?
Obviously Clinton like delates...only
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by tulwar-2009 February 14, 2008 12:24 AM PST
"Mr Obama-the man of hype"

I agree. Ya know, the guy can really get people jumping. Everything he says and stands for is the next cool thing. This hype even works on people in other countries.

Next thing you know, people are going to want to change our government and institutions. Populations of other countries are going to want to be more like us. This is scary!

Maybe we should vote for McCain or Clinton, they''re so much more comfortable.
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by boatdocster February 14, 2008 12:36 AM PST
If Hillary is so great at the solutions business, perhaps she can find a solution on why people are leaving her campaign in droves.

Expect to see Bill and Hill Clinton sling mud like a high speed GOP swift boat - beaten in the last 8 races.

PS - That''s why people are leaving your campaign.
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by akitapenny February 14, 2008 12:45 AM PST
TO OBAMAGRAVITY WHY DOES OBAMA NOT PRODUCE ONE SINGLE PIECE OF PAPER FROM 8 YEARS IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE IT IS BECAUSE OF HIS RECORD THERE WHICH HE IS AFRAID TO PRODUCE WHEN HILLARY HAS PRODUCED OVER 2 MILLION PAGES FOR VIEWING . GOD HELP US IF THIS QUACK GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HE IS A LOST PUPPY. VOTE HILLARY CLINTON THE ONLY CHOICE FOR A NEW AMERICA
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by js19691 February 14, 2008 2:30 AM PST
For goodness sake! If I see or hear one more person say that Obama has no concrete solutions I''m going to scream! PLEASE just go to the following link. It''s all there, the war, the economy, education, just read!
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/
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by nm_dem February 14, 2008 2:34 AM PST
Oh yes, the Obama "has no position", "no platform", & "no experience" argument again. I am not surprised that Hillary is pulling out the stops in light of recent events, and let''s be honest- she''s just fighting for the face time that she needs right now, and who can blame her? However, the misinformation circulating about Obama''s "inexperience" is apalling. I am interested in & good at finding policy details and financial specifics, and ironically find it much more difficult to find them on her website or on news sites re: her platform thans can be found on Obama''s platform in about 5 minutes if you know how to use a search engine.

Apparently, if you are a skilled & eloquent orator, if you "inspire" people and are articulate- that''s spells danger for you politically. Indeed, the inspiring speech is evidence as to why you MUST lack substance on issues and policy, because in America we have come to not just expect, but actually *desire* that our politicians bore us, or scare us, or both.

For what it''s worth, there are many things I believe are to be admired about Hillary, but I also firmly believe that Obama is the better candidate to face down McCain, to inspire the country to roll up its sleeves, and to dispense with the bipartisan blood bath that has gone on so long. If you truly are interested in some facts about Obama''s platform, here they are:

Here is a 59-page policy handbook:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

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by nm_dem February 14, 2008 2:36 AM PST
Here is a financial analysis of his most recent mention in his Wisconsin speech about an immediate economic stimulus plan:
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/02/13/obama-unveils-210-billion-economic-stimulus-plan/

While it''s true Barack is quite liberal, there is absolutely no denying that currently, he has more moderate and conservative support than Senator Clinton does However, it is interesting to note that the things for which Obama is often criticized, e.g., "being too liberal" and having "too little experience," the government''s OWN statistics refute:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd

Type in each candidate''s last names and look at their voting records, the names and substance of bills drafted and supported, and basic biographical info .

Hillary is considered a "radical liberal" on the senate information website, while Obama is considered to be a bit right of that as a "rank and file" democrat. This designation is based upon their votes.


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by nm_dem February 14, 2008 2:41 AM PST
Although Obama has 11 years of legislative experience (5 more years than Hillary) his critics cry "no fair" only the national legislation counts. O.K.--even within these parameters, Obama has passed into law in 3 years (with bills that he authored or co-authored) 5 pieces of substantive legislation, while Hillary has passed into law in 6 years time, 6 substantive bills that she has authored or coauthored. He essentially has accomplished the same job in half the time. Although Hillary has about 26 bills that have become law, 20 of them are things like "name post office after Thurgood Marshall" and "Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men''s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship." Here are the substantive legislation each has passed:

Hillary:
1. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
2. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
3. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
4. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
5. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

Here is Obama''s:
1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
3.The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
4.The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
5.The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee)

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by l00ker February 14, 2008 9:01 AM PST
If Hillary is so great at the solutions business, perhaps she can find a solution on why people are leaving her campaign in droves.

Expect to see Bill and Hill Clinton sling mud like a high speed GOP swift boat - beaten in the last 8 races.

PS - That''''s why people are leaving your campaign.

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Posted by boatdocster at 12:36 AM : Feb 14, 2008


Not only that, this chick is woefully poor at managing other people''s money. She starts off the campaign touting a war chest of 100 million bucks, yet now, she''s nearly flat busted, disgusted and surely not to be trusted. One wonders where she got the 5 mil to lend herself, now that''s rich, since as her old man said, they are operating on shoestrings nowadays. What''s more, she''s a sore loser, she can''t even accept defeat; and does anyone truly believe, that she is going to lose her veto pen, the same way that she has lost all this money? Does anyone truly believe, that she will manage the government any different than she is managing her campaign? And does anyone truly believe, that she won''t lend us back our money that she will lose with all of her hair brained policies? Look out.
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by xbartender February 14, 2008 9:23 AM PST
I DONT WANT TO GO TO A WEBSITE WHERE OBAMA''S CAMPAIGN STAFF HAS LAID OUT ALL HIS PLANS FOR ALL TO SEE.THEM NOT HIM --I WANT TO HEAR HIM TALK ONE ON ONE ABOUT THEM WITH HILLARY AND ANSWER THE HARD QUESTIONS WITHOUT A SCRIPT IN FRONT OF HIM. AS WAS SAID LAST NITE--- YOU DONT RAISE THE KIND OF MONEY HE IS-- AND NOT BE GREATLY INDEBTED TO "SOMEONE" AND SHARPTON-JACKSON-OPRAH- ARE SURE TO BE THE FIRST THREE ON THE LIST.. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT... WHETHER YOU LIKE HILLARY OR YOU DONT.--- SHE HAS AND CONTINUES TO BE AT A GREAT DISADVANTAGE IN THIS RACE.-THE PRESS IS CONSTANTLY ON HER= AND PRAISING OBAMA-= SHE CANNOT COMPETE WITH OBAMA AS SHE WOULD WITH ANY OTHER ADVERSARY-BECAUSE RIGHT AWAY THEY CALL OUT THE RACE CARD. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THIS HAS BEEN AN UNFAIR RACE LITERALLY. OBAMA HAS IT MADE AND HE KNOWS IT- HE IS IN A WIN WIN SITUATION....
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by l00ker February 14, 2008 9:30 AM PST
Seems these Hillariousans not only forget where they put their checkbook, but they also seem to forget where they put their caps lock key. Awwwhhh, didums fall down.
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by joseph_10 February 14, 2008 11:20 AM PST
True Independents

Mrs. Clinton is obviously the most qualified candidate in both parties. I%u2019m an American I stay up late to watch the debates. So far she is the only candidate that demonstrated the qualities and experience that US needs during these turbulent times.

Obama may be brilliant, but certainly not ready for the 2008 White House. Politics isn''t about looking nice and talking sweet; it''s about tough choices and decisions. Americans have to separate enthusiasm founded on wishes and dreams from pedigree, know-how, and a demonstrated capacity to deliver.
The thought of women in power is bringing out the worse in the media %u2013 they are making up the news instead of reporting what is really going on. Women and Men, who truly want a change, get out and vote for Hillary %u2013 don%u2019t let the media and the republicans control this one!

We are million voting for Hillary more then half we will never vote for BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA if Hillary is not the nominee of the Democrats we will vote Republican. True Independents
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by jaykay221 February 14, 2008 9:43 PM PST
Obama has raised a considerable amount of money from the American people and therefore he is obligated to the American people. Who is Hillary obligated to?

When he said he was going to run a grassroots campaign the status quo said ''it couldn''t be done'', but yet he did do it and it has turned out to be more successful that the status quo way of doing things.

Here is evidence of Obama proposing an idea and turning it into substance. Here is Obama showing his ability to motivate and inspire people turning into concrete success and making the seemingly impossible possible. You cannot refute those facts, you can only chose not to acknowledge them.

The success of Obama''s campaign, and therefore testament to his leadership skills, is in the accuracy of their message, planning, unity and cohesion over the course of this campaign. There has been no sackings, no having to change message to try and find footing. All of this attests to someone we should have great faith in as a leader.
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by marchamlin-2009 February 14, 2008 11:22 PM PST
rozz62 is a little crazy. Three Posts about some whack-*** Kenya story. Sounds like the Billary supporters are up to their ears in BS. Way to keep on the muslim lies too, even though everyone knows it''s false. Stick to the issues, pal.

It''s funny how Hillary claims Obama doesn''t care about the Wisconsin voters because he won''t do ANOTHER debate, even though she has been in Texas and Ohio ever since the Potomac. If she cares so much about Wisconsin, why isn''t she in Wisconsin?

Her health care plan only covers everyone because she says she will garnish our wages if we can''t afford it. With so many people having finacial troubles, do we really want her taking money out of our paychecks?

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by jerryz7936 February 14, 2008 11:44 PM PST
Keep it up Hillary!!!

Be Negative!!!

Now two unions are supporting Obama for Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas!!

One superdelegate left today, others broke away not too long ago and someone else is talking about leaving!!

Keep it up!!!! Thank you!!!!!
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by cakemanjb February 15, 2008 12:30 AM PST
Clinton pays rent; money goes to Obama.

PORTSMOUTH %u2014 Rochester physician Terry Bennett said he believes the only reason Sen. Hillary Clinton''s campaign paid for renting a building he owns in Portsmouth is because he became the "squeaky wheel."

Now, Bennett said, he will donate the $500 check to Sen. Barack Obama''s rival presidential campaign. He said he''s doing it because he likes Obama, but also as a statement on the way he feels he was treated by the staff of the Clinton campaign.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/NEWS/802140403
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by afranlkin February 15, 2008 6:36 AM PST
The First negitive ad for the Democrats . Surprise its from Hillary Clinton . Lets put them and there negitive Campaigns in the past where the belong .
Ohio , Texas , Pa

Vote Barack Obama
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