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December 4, 2006 1:34 PM

The AP Dustup: What Does It Mean?

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It has been fascinating to follow the brouhaha over an Associated Press report stating that suspected members of the Shiite Mahdi Army militia had burned six Sunnis alive as they were leaving worship services in Baghdad. Bloggers questioned the veracity of the story and its primary source, police Capt. Jamil Hussein, and CENTCOM released a press release saying that the story could not be corroborated and that Hussein is not a real Baghdad police officer. Then the AP hit back, releasing a statement from International Editor John Daniszewski arguing that the "attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous and hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question." The AP then re-reported the story and put out a follow-up story, with new, albeit anonymous, eyewitness reports of the attack.

And that wasn't the end of it. The AP suggested that the government and bloggers were pushing their criticism even though they didn't have the goods to back it up. (The Pentagon has a new press strategy reminiscent of one that might be found in a presidential campaign.) A spokesman for the Iraqi interior minister maintained that the alleged incident was a "rumor," and that the ministry "found nothing" after investigating to make it believe otherwise. AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll stated that "[w]e are satisfied with our reporting on this incident. If Iraqi and U.S. military spokesmen choose to disregard AP's on-the-ground reporting, that is certainly their choice to make, but it is a puzzling one given the facts." The Iraqi Interior Ministry said it was forming a unit to monitor news coverage and take "legal action" against journalists responsible for stories the ministry deemed incorrect. And the blogs raged on.

Despite the fact that all this back and forth has not yet yielded any concrete answers, this is a debate worth having. As Tom Zeller Jr. wrote in today's New York Times, "[i]t is important to find out if this really happened in order to separate the hyperbole from the merely horrible in Iraq, so that the horrible will still have meaning. Otherwise it will all become din." And what happened isn't the only issue, as the incident has revealed something about both those defending the AP and those attacking it. Here's Zeller's conclusion:
It is also true that the institution conducting America’s multibillion gamble in Iraq — the military — says that this standout of atrocities never happened, while a venerable, trusted news agency has twice interviewed witnesses who said, in extensive, vivid detail, that it did.

That is not just a curiosity. It is a limbo that leaves [the alleged incident in the Baghdad neighborhood of] Hurriyah open for use as a political plaything, to confirm deep-seated beliefs about the media, or to give Iraqi ministers rhetorical fuel to threaten reporters.

Whatever the agenda of the bloggers most interested in debunking the article, it somehow seems important to figure out why this incident — in the face of all the killings in Iraq — remains in such dispute.
Largely proving his point, bloggers greeted Zeller's fairly even-handed piece as an attack on them, one that provides yet more evidence of the "msm's" close-ranks mentality. (Just as they'll surely see my post as more of the same.) They are writing as though it’s obvious that the AP was either duped or made the whole thing up, when in fact the truth is not at all clear. At the same time, it's safe to say that most journalists – though they aren't writing as much – believe that the AP more or less has its facts straight.

In the end, where you stand on this one comes down to who you have faith in. Conservative bloggers tend to believe the military over a press corps that they feel is unworthy of their trust. Journalists, who are inherently distrustful of power, tend to trust their colleagues over the military. In an ideal world, both sides could put aside their prejudices and look objectively at the facts. Bloggers too often let their outrage cloud their judgment, and journalists can be too quick to dismiss criticism. The sooner both sides acknowledge as much, the better. But judging from how this one has played out, I'm not holding my breath.
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by cjrun December 5, 2006 10:43 PM EST
Nice to at least see CBS noticing the story. We'll see where it goes. Meanwhile, it's not hard to develop a perspective from military+power=distrust, versus AP=venerable. So, the default position is distrust the military, but revere the AP? Good to know.
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by onespook December 5, 2006 5:09 PM EST
Journalists, who are inherently distrustful of power, tend to trust their colleagues over the military.

Hogwash! The media trusts its own power implicitly otherwise the arrogant comments from the AP wouldn't result. A paid stringer who you hardly know can hardly be considered a "colleague." If the AP really trusted its "colleagues," it would readily produce this stringer-colleague and adequately verify the information with sources other than unamed witnesses and also produce other thorough verification of the story.
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by rmonical-2009 December 5, 2006 4:51 PM EST
It seems interesting to me that from last week to this Mr. Zeller's focus has shifted from "So who IS Mr. Hussein?" to "..it somehow seems important to figure out why this incident %u2014 in the face of all the killings in Iraq %u2014 remains in such dispute." with no mention whatsoever of the captain.

Has Mr. Zeller concluded that Captain Jamil Hussein does not exist? Note that if the captain is a work of fiction, then the original story has no basis. So the follow-up (presumably conducted by the same "reporters" who interviewed the ephemeral Captain Jamil Hussein) would never have occurred.

Looks like somebody is changing the subject.
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by centralcal-2009 December 5, 2006 2:42 PM EST
"In the end, where you stand on this one comes down to who you have faith in."

And, more and more, the American public is responding that they have almost no faith in the agenda-driven, liberal media. Internet news resources, including respectable blogs, are increasing their customers, while the a-d-l media is declining. Certainly, advertisers are beginning to migrate.

AP looks worse than foolish in this - they look intentionally deceitful.
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by govteqach December 5, 2006 1:59 PM EST
After all of this time there are no photos of the
"grieving" relatives of those allegedly burned alive? No demonstrations? No burning American flags? No funerals?

Could that be because there was no incident?

The distrust I have of the media comes from the "butter wouldn't melt in their mouth" smugness and their so called lack of bias. Reuters hires a freelance photographer with poor Photoshop skills, reissues the same photo of so-called Lebanese woman in front of "her" bombed home for two different dates and incidents and we are supposed to believe their reporting of incidents through use of local stringers?
CBS has to find a face saving way to show Gunga Dan the door after the Mapes incident (and he still thinks the documents are real).

Excuse me, but how dumb does the MSM think we are?
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by jamesonlewis December 5, 2006 12:54 PM EST
What is the issue?

Shouldn't the public expect facts?
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by one_american December 4, 2006 7:41 PM EST
The piece of the puzzle that you fail to mention, Brian, is that the media, unlike the military, NEVER comes clean about its information.

So why would any rational person believe the media?

The media needs checks and balances, just like the government, or the military, and bloggers serve that purpose quite well.

The fact that AP wants to stonewall the bloggers is because they don't want to be held accountable.

Do you not see why bloggers get outraged?

And, outrage doesn't cloud the judgement of people who view the situation objectively. Its AP who's judgement is clouded, and those who support AP.
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by ikez78 December 4, 2006 6:05 PM EST
Fair roundup Brian.

I want to give a congratulations to the media for asking the relevant questions of Democrat Chris Carney about his work in the Pentagon examining Saddam Hussein's possible links to al Qaeda.

Story here..
http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/12/what_does_congressman_elect_ch/

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by ronnotel December 4, 2006 5:34 PM EST
This isn't a shades of grey situation - one side of this argument has been caught perpetrating a hoax. Either Jamil Hussein is bonafide or he isn't. The only way to resolve this situation for the AP to make Capt. Jamil Hussein available for interviews by the skeptics. Until they do, their claims of 'astonishment' that they aren't given the benefit of the doubt will fall on deaf ears.
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