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January 27, 2006 4:57 PM

Trolling The Polling

Paul Mirengoff over at Powerline is among those taking issue with the latest CBS News/New York Times poll, particularly regarding the questions asked about the wiretapping issue:
A New York Times/CBS poll purports to find that support for the president's warrantless surveillance program is "mixed." But the poll is bogus. In addition to the usual MSM trick of over-sampling Democrats, including non-voters, etc., the pollsters asked misleading questions that do not reflect the actual nature of the NSA intercept program.
PE has addressed the weighting issue before and you can read the entire post for more, but here’s the basic explanation from it:
The issue of weighting in polling is much discussed and debated, and there is plenty out there to consider. Mystery Pollster has some of the most in-depth discussion on all aspects of polling (you can find out all about weighting here). The issue of weighting is, at its root, about adjusting data to reflect the most accurate picture possible. There are plenty of arguments about how to do that, but for our purposes here, let’s stick to how CBS News does it.

A CBS polling primer answers the question of whether “our respondents look like the American public”:

At the end of our surveys, we find sometimes that we have questioned too many people from one group or another. Older people, for example, tend to be at home to answer the phone more than younger people, so there is often a greater percentage of older people in our surveys than exists in the American public.

When that happens, we take great pains to adjust our data so that it accurately reflects the whole population. That process is called “weighting.” We make sure that our final figures match U.S. Census Bureau breakdowns on age, sex, race, education, and region of the country. We also “weight” to adjust for the fact that people who share a phone with others have less chance to be contacted than people who live alone and have their own phones, and that households with more than one telephone number have more chances to be called than households with only one phone number.

So when we add up all the answers to our questions, we know that no one’s opinion counts for more than it should. When you see one of our poll results on TV or in the newspaper, you know that it does not show the opinions of only one or two groups of Americans.

So how does a poll end up being comprised of 35% Democrats, 41% Independents and 24% Republicans? Kathy Frankovic, Director of Surveys for CBS News, explains that there is no adjusting for party identification in the CBS News polls and that the weighting described above accounts for the changes in the party ID. Frankovic notes: “The people who tend to be under-represented in a sample … tend to be younger and tend to be more minorities. So that by assuring that the sample looks like the country, you’re probably going to almost always increase the number of Democrats.” In short, when the sample is adjusted to match the Census Bureau data, the party ID percentages change.
That’s a lengthy explanation for a very complex issue, check out the Mystery Pollster for more. As to the question of wording, the issue may be as much in how it was portrayed than the actual results since the poll did find that 68% answered willing to the following question (as Mirengoff notes): “In order to reduce the threat of terrorism, would you be willing or not willing to allow government agencies to monitor the telephone calls and e-mails of Americans that the government is suspicious of?”
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by twoconcepts January 29, 2006 12:37 AM EST
See Powerline's response here: http://powerlineblog.com/archives/012960.php
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by mailpro56 January 28, 2006 9:41 PM EST
I am sure CBS would frame the Alito question this way. Should Senate Republicans be allowed to change long standing historic Senate rules in order to put a 'right wing' judge who may curb your 'freedom' on the Supreme Court?
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by tomgrey2 January 28, 2006 6:58 PM EST
Vaughn, having an actual link would be better -- I didn't see the poll question just now. The Math justifications for weighting may be reasonable -- but the real comparison is not with some unknown, idealized Census America, but with actual voting. The polls that decide. Insofar as some 36% of voters claimed being Rep, and only 33% claimed being Dem, any CBS poll which varies much from this much is junk. Add science and it becomes junk science. I did see on CBS the CBS lie, again, in claiming Bush has a "domestic spying program." The NSA spying program, as I understand, is international. A more accurate, but less anti-Bush line would be "anti-terror spying program." Similarly, the poll: "Should Dems filibuster Alito?" Why not, "should Alito be confirmed?" (Perhaps you've already had it...) I kinda want the Dems to try to filibuster Alito, and have the Reps go nu-ku-lar and get rid of filibusters on all judicial appointments. But I'd hate to vote "yes" and have CBS lie about the results saying so many voters are against Alito.
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by centralcal-2009 January 28, 2006 4:06 PM EST
The only polls that count are the ones revealed on election day. In the last election, quite a few of the media polls were shown to be what they are --wishful thinking. And, the media believes these polls with their whole beings! Remember the exit polls, the confusion and stunned realization of the media when they proved to be so off the mark? Broadcasters with declining ratings, newspapers with falling circulation, keep pumping out these polls to bolster their sense of reality and, yes, in a vain attempt to spin their readers/viewers. I for one would like to see more in depth and frequent polling of public opinion towards the media.
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by notebuyer January 28, 2006 8:46 AM EST
In my studies for an MBA, I took the quantitative courses and enjoyed the math. And I learned one thing very well: everyone who weights a poll distorts results. We don't know how do do weighting well enough to actually come up with decent results, because there are too many assumptions behind each adjustment. One of the most spectacular failures of weighting was Mervin Field's series of projected winners of elections in the 80's -- and the methodology hasn't improved.
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by spencermg January 28, 2006 2:41 AM EST
To a former mathematics major who has worked in market research, CBS' defense about weighting the sample is pure smoke and mirrors. The purpose of weighting is to ensure that the population actually sampled corresponds to the relevant universe. A weighting process which moves the sampled population *further* from the relevant universe is obviously erroneous. Here the "weighted" population was 35% Democrats, 41% Independents and 24% Republicans. This is so far removed from the proportions in the relevant universe as to be farcical. Rather than trying to defend a silly result, CBS should be looking for another pollster.
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by v_ververs January 28, 2006 1:45 AM EST
jrpcbs: The full questions and results of the poll are posted on CBSNews.com for anyone to see. I think you can question the way those results are interpreted in individual stories, but the data is all there.
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by stevezilla68 January 27, 2006 9:48 PM EST
how the hell do you get "41% independents" in a single poll, and not realize the weighting might be wrong?
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by jrpcbs January 27, 2006 8:42 PM EST
Why weight at all? Or, rather, why would you not always publish the real question you used (which are often on the face biased), the raw results, and the time-of-day the samples were taken too? Bits, after all, are cheap. You'd do this if you really wanted to speak 'truth' to power. But, you don't really want that - your status as marketing machine and the requirements of controversy are more important. Given this, the media manages to slant the polls constantly, you get caught occasionally (like you have been today) - and when election day rolls around, you act all shocked and outraged to find out you were wrong all the way through. But you couldn't be wrong - so it must be voter fraud, giving you the next 3-month cycle of stories.
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by memekiller January 27, 2006 8:14 PM EST
An interesting question for some enterprising reporter to pursue is whether internal White House/Republican polling is weighted the same way. I guess this depends on whether "weighting" a poll is a proper way to determine likely voters - which it probably isn't. But if this is a way to get accurate polling data, it would be interesting to see if Republican concerns about weighting exist when they need accurate data to plot strategy for winning elections.
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