May 23, 2010 9:20 PM
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Phthalates: Are They Safe?
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Woldenberg says the law is good intentions run amok, and he points out that Congress overruled the findings of the CPSC, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the Food and Drug Administration, which say the levels we're exposed to every day are safe.
The CPSC, which studied phthalates in toys twice, even had volunteers chew on them to see if phthalates oozed out. So why all the alarm bells? It all started with experiments on rats.
Dr. Richard Sharpe in Edinburgh Scotland, one of the leading phthalate researchers in the world, exposed pregnant rats to phthalates and produced a string of abnormalities in their male offspring.
"We see un-descended testes. We see this penis abnormality, hypospadias. We see smaller testes in adulthood, which means lower sperm counts," he told Stahl.
"So by giving pregnant rats phthalates you're inducing some of the same problems that human males are having and that you're seeing?" she asked.
"Yes," Dr. Sharpe replied.
There have been hundreds of studies on rats with similar findings.
But when Sharpe tried the same experiment on animals much closer to humans than rats - monkeys - he got an entirely different response. He tested phthalates on pregnant marmoset monkeys. And their offspring? Completely normal.
According to Sharpe, the monkeys had none of the effects found in humans or rats.
"If someone were to tell me there was a rat study that showed one thing, and monkey study that showed another thing, as a human, I would think that I'm closer to the monkey. I would lean toward that study, right?" Stahl remarked.
"Yeah. I would say take the species that's closest to man, and place more emphasis on that," Sharpe said.
So here's where we stand: a rat study on one hand, contradicted by a monkey study on the other. Then there's a string of new human studies that link phthalates to problems with masculinity, but each one of them is described as "small and preliminary." Even Dr. Swan, whose study led to Congress banning the phthalates in toys, speaks with uncertainty.
Asked if she's convinced phthalates are harmful to humans," Swan told Stahl, "I'm convinced that they pose a substantial possibility of harm. I cannot conclude they are harmful without confirmation of my study and additional data."
She says she needs more data to be sure, and yet she supports the congressional action on toys.
"The Consumer Product Safety Commission said that these toys have minimal to non-existent risk for these children," Stahl remarked.
"I don't think we have the data to conclude that," Swan replied.
"But they're saying you don't have the data to say the other thing, either: that they're harmful," Stahl pointed out.
"We have data of harm for the fetus; we have data of harm to a nursing infant - one study," Swan said.
Copyright 2010 CBS. All rights reserved. The CPSC, which studied phthalates in toys twice, even had volunteers chew on them to see if phthalates oozed out. So why all the alarm bells? It all started with experiments on rats.
Dr. Richard Sharpe in Edinburgh Scotland, one of the leading phthalate researchers in the world, exposed pregnant rats to phthalates and produced a string of abnormalities in their male offspring.
"We see un-descended testes. We see this penis abnormality, hypospadias. We see smaller testes in adulthood, which means lower sperm counts," he told Stahl.
"So by giving pregnant rats phthalates you're inducing some of the same problems that human males are having and that you're seeing?" she asked.
"Yes," Dr. Sharpe replied.
There have been hundreds of studies on rats with similar findings.
But when Sharpe tried the same experiment on animals much closer to humans than rats - monkeys - he got an entirely different response. He tested phthalates on pregnant marmoset monkeys. And their offspring? Completely normal.
According to Sharpe, the monkeys had none of the effects found in humans or rats.
"If someone were to tell me there was a rat study that showed one thing, and monkey study that showed another thing, as a human, I would think that I'm closer to the monkey. I would lean toward that study, right?" Stahl remarked.
"Yeah. I would say take the species that's closest to man, and place more emphasis on that," Sharpe said.
So here's where we stand: a rat study on one hand, contradicted by a monkey study on the other. Then there's a string of new human studies that link phthalates to problems with masculinity, but each one of them is described as "small and preliminary." Even Dr. Swan, whose study led to Congress banning the phthalates in toys, speaks with uncertainty.
Asked if she's convinced phthalates are harmful to humans," Swan told Stahl, "I'm convinced that they pose a substantial possibility of harm. I cannot conclude they are harmful without confirmation of my study and additional data."
She says she needs more data to be sure, and yet she supports the congressional action on toys.
"The Consumer Product Safety Commission said that these toys have minimal to non-existent risk for these children," Stahl remarked.
"I don't think we have the data to conclude that," Swan replied.
"But they're saying you don't have the data to say the other thing, either: that they're harmful," Stahl pointed out.
"We have data of harm for the fetus; we have data of harm to a nursing infant - one study," Swan said.
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