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November 9, 2009 3:05 PM

Abortion Rights Groups Now Oppose House Health Care Bill

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The passage of comprehensive health care legislation in the House of Representatives Saturday night was bittersweet for many liberal supporters of reform, and profoundly disturbing for those primarily concerned about the right to have an abortion.

The inclusion of Rep. Bart Stupak's restrictive abortion amendment in the bill has prompted well-established abortion-rights groups to oppose the entire House bill, and it is drawing the ire of feminist bloggers and activists. Pro-abortion rights members of Congress are also attempting to derail the final passage of any bill that includes the Stupak amendment. Yet as the Democrats' reform package teeters between success and failure -- with just a few more votes needed to kill the bill -- it remains to be seen whether leaders will risk stripping out the amendment, which was added to win over conservative Democrats.

The Stupak amendment passed on the House floor Saturday with the support of 64 Democrats -- of whom 62 were men, liberal bloggers have been quick to point out.

The provision would prevent women who receive subsidies to purchase insurance that covers abortion -- inside or outside of the proposed national health insurance exchange. It would also explicitly ban abortion coverage from the government-run plan, or "public option." While it does not explicitly prohibit private plans on the exchange from offering abortion coverage, insurers would have little incentive to offer abortion coverage, since most customers on the exchange would pay with subsidies.

"Abortion is a matter of conscience on both sides of the debate," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.). "This amendment takes away that same freedom of conscience from America's women. It prohibits them from access to an abortion even if they pay for it with their own money. It invades women's personal decisions."

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Reps. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) and Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.) released the text of a letter today to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that says, "We will not vote for a conference report that contains language that restricts women’s right to choose any further than current law."

The congresswomen claim to have more than 40 signatures collected for the letter so far, though the signatures have not yet been released.

Meanwhile, abortion-rights groups are stepping up to pressure President Obama and the Senate to keep the measure out of the final health care bill. The National Organization for Women held a rally at the Capitol today in opposition to the amendment and is fundraising to lobby on the issue. The group opposes the entire House health care bill because of the amendment.

"We cannot and will not support a health care bill that strips millions of women of their existing access to abortion," NOW President Terry O'Neill said in a statement. "NOW calls on the Senate to pass a health care bill that respects women's constitutionally protected right to abortion and calls on President Obama to refuse to sign any health care bill that restricts women's access to affordable, quality reproductive health care."

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Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards also said in a statement that, "On behalf of the millions of women Planned Parenthood health centers serve, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America has no choice but to oppose HR 3962."

The organization sent out an e-mail to its supporters on Monday, asking them to send President Obama a message to "to live up to his campaign commitment and stand with us to protect women's health care."

Yet while Planned Parenthood now opposes the House bill, the organization must tread carefully to promote reproductive rights without sabotaging a health care bill they would otherwise find generally beneficial. In addition to lobbying for reproductive rights with its political action committee, Planned Parenthood runs health care clinics throughout the country. This puts the organization in a tight spot, much like the supporters of abortion rights who voted against the Stupak amendment but for the passage of the bill.

Laurie Rubiner, Planned Parenthood's vice president of public policy, declined to say whether her organization would consider a vote in favor of the bill as an vote against abortion rights on its congressional scorecard.

"We've got a long way to go before we get there," Rubiner told the Hotsheet. "Planned Parenthood is a provider of health care services to 3 million women, and we're focused on getting the Stupak amendment out so we can deliver affordable, quality care."

Rubiner said Planned Parenthood thinks the chances are very good that the Senate will include more favorable abortion language in its bill, which could prevail over the House language in conference committee.

"The Senate has always been a cooling off place," Rubiner said. "I don't see in any reason to engage in brinksmanship at this point. This is about getting the best bill we can and making sure women aren't left worse off than they were before."

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Similarly, NARAL Pro-Choice America says it is now focusing on defeating any attempt to add the Stupak amendment to the Senate bill. The organization will at least attempt to hold lawmakers accountable for the Stupak amendment with its congressional scorecard, which will take into account who voted in favor of the amendment.

"We opposed the Stupak-Pitts amendment and scored that vote, which means we will hold those lawmakers who voted for this measure accountable for abandoning women and capitulating to extreme factions of the anti-choice movement," Ted Miller, communications director for NARAL, told the Hotsheet.

Some advocates are suggesting a more hardline approach with the Democratic caucus.

A blogger on the liberal grassroots site FireDogLake wrote an article headlined, "Stupak Amendment Passes; 64 Dems Ask for Primary Opponents."
"It's a fundamental part of our belief system in the Democratic Party, that women have a right to privacy in their reproductive health care decisions," Rayne wrote.

Similarly, radio host Allison Kilkenny noted on Huffington Post that some of the same Democrats who favored the Stupak amendment also voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq, making them prime targets for primary challenges.

"If it goes to war like a Republican, and votes against women's rights like a Republican... I can't wait for the primaries," she wrote.

Ann Friedman, deputy editor of The American Prospect, suggested on the blog Feministing.com ways feminists could push back. For instance, she suggested making a donation to an abortion rights group rather than President Obama.

The amendment, she wrote, "sets apart women's rights from the Democratic/progressive/whatever agenda. As something expendable. But fundamental rights for women are not peripheral... Seeing as how the Democratic party relies on women voters to win elections, you would think they would have come around to this no-brainer by now."

Some more squarely pinned the blame on the president.

"Let's be honest. It was Pres. Obama who opened the door to sell us out when he decided to put the Hyde Amendment in the budget, something Bill Clinton never did," political analyst Taylor Marsh wrote at the Huffington Post. "Right now every woman who values her civil rights should understand how the gay community feels. Democrats just sold us out too."

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by Void_Master November 11, 2009 1:39 PM EST
by bytheway59 November 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST

your mention of "the insurance industtry won't allow it." it is We The People" and when We the People write, email and clog the telephone service in and out of DC with our requests to Our elected officails, the insurance industry's voice will be drowned out.

We have the power, we need to claim it.

***

I should point out that that didn't work worth a damn during debate on the bailouts.
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by crikeytx46 November 10, 2009 12:00 PM EST
The abortion issue was decided by the Supreme Court with Roe Vs. Wade.

The abortion amendment to this bill is basically who pays - gov (the people's money) or the single person seeking the abortion (their own money).

Not all people agree to be made to pay through a monthly fee to provide for abortions on the gov plan.....especially when it goes against their beliefs.

The one seeking the abortion should pay for it personally out of their own pocket.
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by RandomUser1886 November 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST
If you think this is bad,
How about the fact that if you don't buy a Government-approved Health plan, you pay fines and go to jail.
Yeah, THAT's the land of the free and home of the brave.
Keep on worshipping, Obamatons.
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by velma179 November 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST
by RandomUser1886 November 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST

How about YOU getting some REAL facts before you post misleading and inflammatory information.
by crikeytx46 November 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST
Well velma179....again...since you read the bill, I thought you would have caught that.
by velma179 November 10, 2009 1:03 PM EST
by crikeytx46 November 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST

Caught what?

The statement I referred to by RandomUser was exactly what I said...
When you "slant" something to a certain negative meaning and then follow up with a sarcastic opinion... I call that misleading and inflammatory.

Simple
by timetravelr November 10, 2009 2:00 PM EST
velma179..there is nothing 'misleading' about what RandomUser1886 said. It is FACT and it is the truth.
We are ALL being FORCED to pay for healthcare, and will be fined and taxed if we choose not to have it. Also, if we do not comply, we can go to jail.
So much for our rights and freedoms and CHOICE in the U.S.A.
I strongly suggest you read the bill in it's entirety, because those particular FACTS are not the only horrific things in this death health plan.

Or maybe, someone can read it TO you.

SIMPLE.
by land_of_the_free November 10, 2009 7:07 AM EST
Abortion is an elective procedure just like plastic surgery. Tax dollars should not pay for your boob jobs or your abortions. If you are gonna play, learn to pay.
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by DirtyDaug November 10, 2009 6:02 AM EST
These that voted for the bill must be put out of business with their next election. We all need to stick togather ant oust them. Out present healtcare stystem does need some fixting but not the way the government has voted to do it.

Health care in the USA needed some controls but not a government ran health care system. The insurance companies are charging too much for insurance and picking who they want to insure. Also if you have a pre-existing condition they want to charge you more or not insure you at all. Then also the doctors and the hospitals can charge whatever they want which makes the insurance companies charge more. All that we ever needed from the government was for them to set some limits on what the insurance companies, doctors and hospitals could charge and who they had to treat or sell insurance to.

With Obama realizing that high priced health care was becoming a problem with the American people, he decided that it was a good way to get a government ran health care passed. It was not the health care that he is after, it all of the add-ons in the health care bill that he was after that have nothing to do with health care.

With the 2000 pages in the healthcare bill that passed the house there are plenty of add-ons that have nothing to do with health care. If you can get a copy of the health care bill and have the time to read it all you will see what I mean.
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by velma179 November 10, 2009 10:56 AM EST
by DirtyDaug November 10, 2009 6:02 AM EST

If you have indeed read the bill as you imply -- then, you have not comprehended it.
The language is tough... absolutely, but you have to take all the parts in context.

The main reason I KNOW you have either not read or not understood the legislation (as it stands now... it WILL be changed after the Senate bill passes and the two are combined into a final bill) ---

This is NOT a "government run health care system".

Whenever anyone uses that terminology, I know for certain they do NOT understand the facts and/or have accepted the lies and misinformation in the well financed campaign to resist reform.

Now, can we continue the discussion on the specific topic the article above brings up.
Thanks
by crikeytx46 November 10, 2009 11:48 AM EST
Well velma179.....I take it you've read it....what did you think about all those different government panels listed to "Help" in the decision making process of your specific health situation...I'm sure they can come up with reasonable viable alternatives ....There's even a panel for reviewing Parenting practices....Wow....
by velma179 November 10, 2009 1:11 PM EST
Again crikeytx...

Read what I wrote. I wasn't discussing specifics -- and I am not going to... this comment board is not about the ENTIRE House bill.

I said that a person who uses the term "government run HEALTH CARE SYSTEM" has not comprehended the legislation.

The original posters further comments (regarding what they ASSUME to be President Obama's reasoning) made it clear to me that they are opposed to a man, not a piece of legislation...


This comment area is about the "abortion amendment"... perhaps we should stay on topic.
Thanks
by timetravelr November 10, 2009 2:05 PM EST
Yes Velma179, by all means...let's stay on topic.

You want an abortion? Pay for it yourself.
by Void_Master November 10, 2009 4:32 AM EST
As for why I want the health care bill to fail. . .

I know America needs health care reform. We all know it. Even the people who don't what to admit it, deep down still know the U. S. needs health care reform. America needs it even if only to avert a financial crisis that will make last year's economic meltdown look like a stock rally by comparison.

When I first heard Obama speak of pursuing health care reform, like many other people, I was actually hopeful. Unfortunately as the debate unfolded one thing became frighteningly clear: the insurance industry was not going to allow it. By the end of summer, I knew that whatever came out of Congress would be a piece of garbage that ultimately would serve no purpose but to further enrich the insurance industry.

I turned away in disgust and declared that, like so many other circuses presented by the government, I would just not participate. Ah but wait! Congress has other ideas. They intend to *force* you and I to participate whether we want to or not.

Well that's not going to happen. Regardless what Congress tries to require, how they intend to enforce it or what penalties they attempt to impose for non-compliance; I will not get health insurance.

In the end, even if this new abortion dichotomy fails to destroy the bill, its individual mandate will do that for it. And that's even if the bill *were* to pass. The individual mandate is exactly the sort of thing that the Second Amendment was designed to address.

Just so it fails.
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by bytheway59 November 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST
your mention of "the insurance industtry won't allow it." it is We The People" and when We the People write, email and clog the telephone service in and out of DC with our requests to Our elected officails, the insurance industry's voice will be drowned out.

We have the power, we need to claim it.
by Void_Master November 10, 2009 4:11 AM EST
[Just so it fails. And now, it clearly will.]

Just to keep my postings on-topic, I'll now elaborate upon my own position regarding abortion.

I personally feel that an abortion is an act of violence. But I'm male, so it's pretty certain that I'll never have one. Besides, violence is sometimes necessary. Politically, what the whole abortion issue is really about is s_e_x.

On the anti-abortion side, you have a group of people who claim to be opposed to abortion on behalf of the child. I'm sure that many really are. But from what I have personally seen, the ones who will actually get on a blog like this and fight the good fight over it invariable resolve their argument down to one logical conclusion.

"If the woman does not want to bear a child she should have kept her legs together."

Of course real life does not actually work that simplistically, but they don't care. It's God's will and never mind that they are actively usurping *free* will -- one of God's own inventions.

Now in the other corner we have a group that wants s_e_x to be completely without consequences or guilt. And while there is a certain beauty to that philosophy, it is totally unrealistic. First of all, there is no such thing as consequence-free-s_e_x. Second, about the only s_e_x one can experience that should rightfully come without guilt would be rape. And ironically, rape usually leaves the victim with a totally misplaced and savage sense of guilt.

Anyway. . .

Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. But in the end, any woman who finds herself having to contemplate an abortion must resolve the matter unto herself. And that is how it should and must be. Neither the government nor anyone else should have the authority to make that decision for her. Nor should anyone else have to pay for it.

As for God's part, if he didn't want the lady to get an abortion, he should have prevented the s_e_x that she had from resulting in conception.
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by Void_Master November 10, 2009 3:50 AM EST
I find this whole abortion SNAFU to the Oppression Through Health Care bill to be hilarious. It is clear that the bill will not pass unless it prohibits federal funds from being used in an elective abortion. That is borne out by the fact that it would not have passed in the first place had the amendment not been added at the last moment. So now a significant portion of the bill's leftist support base has sworn to fight it to the death because their personal favorite issue is being mishandled.

Just so it fails. And now, it clearly will.
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by mnbrant November 10, 2009 1:13 AM EST
I think to be pro-choice in this country you should be required to attend 3 abortions. If, after the third abortion you aren't saying "can I be the one to drive the probe in the babies brain?" and, and if you aren't throwing a fit because the doctor (I presume its a doctor) declines because its not covered by insurance. Your not a real pro-choicer and you shouldn't be commenting here.
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by slownewsday-05 November 10, 2009 1:19 AM EST
Well you "pro-life" people are really simply "pro-birth" and "anti-choice".

You don't seem to care about people once they're born.

And the truth is, I don't want to pay the welfare on an unwanted kid. That, and we have no shortage of people - come back with your sob story when the human race is endangered.


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by mnbrant November 10, 2009 12:58 AM EST
I like the fact that the article refers to pro-abortion groups as pro-abortion groups. The fact is pro-abortion groups in the country are a minority. They even may be a minority among democrats in, as far as I know, there has never been a poll regarding that. As a pro-life democrat who supports universal health care I couldn't be happier that pro-abortion groups such as NOW and the others are pulling out of my party. This will allow the majority of people who are pro-live to vote democrat next year. This may even allow the democrats to get more liberal regarding the war, defense spending, and the many, many other issues that get swept under the rug ever year. For instance there's gun control. If the fort hood guy couldn't have gotten a gun so easy he would have just been another angry guy. Not another angry guy with a gun. I can live with that. The muslim thing needs fixing. Maybe we need a muslim prez next term. Congressman Keith Ellison would fit the bill. I dont know where is is on pro-life issues. But he would be the kind of liberal muslim president we need to get things done. By done I mean by doing things that strengthen America, not blowing all our cash on the military.
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by brianblogger November 10, 2009 12:03 AM EST
Liberal hypocrisy on parade - they want to force others to pay for their abortions, they don't want you to choose your own private health insurance plan or doctor.

Seems to me the real "anti-choice" folks are liberal Democrats.
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by velma179 November 10, 2009 11:05 AM EST
by brianblogger November 10, 2009 12:03 AM EST

by brianblogger November 10, 2009 12:01 AM EST

These two comments are equally incorrect.

There is absolutely nothing proposed that disallows a person to chose their own private health insurance plan and/or doctor.

The abortion issue has to do with ALL abortions -- you really want to stand by a comment that says no "conservative" woman has EVER had an abortion... or had her insurance pay for it... or used public assistance for the procedure?

brian... you are clearly well acquainted with hypocrisy --- in the mirror.
by brianblogger November 10, 2009 12:01 AM EST
Democrats care about "choice" for a woman's right to kill her pre-born baby, but there's no choice whatsoever for Americans to choose their own private health insurance plan and doctor. No choice for Americans to not have to pay for others abortion. Liberal hypocrisy is just sickening.
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by gboyd41 November 9, 2009 11:43 PM EST
POTUS, Mr. Ego, I doubt you will get get YOUR health care bill passed-so sorry!
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by rightbehind November 9, 2009 11:40 PM EST
Totally amazing. The right to life republicans would force a child to be born and then allow it to starve. I want replacements for all the republicrats.
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by RCC_Soldaten November 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST
Abortion = Murder

You are stopping a beating heart.
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by mike18881 November 9, 2009 11:00 PM EST
Abortion Right people are against this like I think mass murders thnk what they're doing is right too. They're one and the same. Killing is killing
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by texbelle123 November 9, 2009 9:13 PM EST
for tx-girl -- it's fine for you to oppose abortion, but it's not fine for you (or the stupid supporters of the Stupak amendment) to oppose women receiving a legal medical procedure EVEN IF THEY PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES.
Can you see the difference? The Stupid Stupak addition to Health Care in effect, makes the decision (again); you know: the one the Supreme Court made with Roe vs Wade that says it is LEGAL for women to get abortions. By making it financially impossible, the Conservs (Dems and/or Repubs) are in effect legislating through what is covered and allowed by the Health Care act.

Kill the bill. I have supported it my whole life; and will now work tirelessly to see it either killed or once again reconfigured to be what it should be: equal, affordable health care for ALL Americans -
not just the rich or those serving in Congress.
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by retm-w November 9, 2009 10:08 PM EST
Abortions have nothing to do with health care, unless it's a life or death, or rape situation. How many private insurance companies pay for abortions?
Does medicaid pay for non emergency abortions, I don't think they do. Yet you want it left in the public option to pay for it, you want the taxpayers to pay for women who don't want to take responsiblity for their actions.
by tx_girl06 November 9, 2009 11:21 PM EST
I am against abortion period, but like I said, I will not judge those who do support it, that is not my job. I am just against having the American people pay for such a controversial issue and something that is a "woman's choice". Just as a woman that "chooses" to get cosmetic surgery has to pay for that procedure, a woman that chooses to get an abortion should pay for that herself as well.
by velma179 November 10, 2009 11:16 AM EST
I am pro-choice. I believe abortion should not only be legal -- I want the government OUT of the "morality police" business. This is a matter that should be decided by individuals. Period.

Now -- in saying that. I am royally annoyed that THIS issue is once again being a pivot where its inherent divisiveness will possibly derail a MUCH GREATER CONCERN!

Health is something we ALL have.... abortion is a choice that only a portion of the populace will ever be touched by.

Choice and funding are not the same thing.

If I may make an analogy -- if a person really wants to go to a certain concert, they will find the money... and you know they will.
Since we are only talking about "elective" abortion (the bill STILL allows federal financing for abortion due to rape, incest or when there is danger to the mother's life) -- I will say that a woman (or couple) that want the procedure WILL find finance with or without federal dollars. I know this is true, I have empirical knowledge...


America is a big country -- when ANY specific group says -- you MUST think like ME to be American... they are WRONG!


I want health care reform to pass far more than I want you or you to "win" the abortion debate!

Period
by stn_sage November 9, 2009 8:57 PM EST
And Conservatives were WORRIED that Democrats would cater to certain liberal fringe and support groups...but that's turned out to be FAR, FAR from the case!

In fact, it looks like there is NO support group that the Democrats WON'T 'STAB IN THE BACK'!

First, it was the gay community...with 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy!

Then, it was ALL their supporters with a huge continuation of the bailout-giveaway to Wall Street and FED!

Next, it was civil libertarians, gun-owners, independent talk radio, and returning Iraq war veterans who were TARGETED and PROFILED as terrorists against America!

Now, it's the pro-choice groups that the Dems have 'turned their backs on'!

Wow! There's NOT too many supporters left to cheat over...the question is...now, that the Dems have 'shown their true colors'...why any of these groups would want to continue to support them?!!

I suggest people unite behind good 'alternate' party candidates, push for term limits, and vote their incumbents OUT-OF-OFFICE...and hope it's in enough time...to save the Republic!
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by O-Dog2009 November 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST
The Abortion Rights people are gonna get this Reform through!!!! the anti-abortion politicians are gonna punk out and they all know that the Supreme Court & Pres. Obama would get that amendment outta the bill. People just need to see that this Reform will lower insurance costs + keep Medicare alive. A whole mess of people (Baby Boomers or their kids) r going 2 be turning 65 over the next 15 yrs.
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by brian1920 November 9, 2009 7:48 PM EST
The pro-death lobby will insure that this bill never passes because they cannot get 217 votes if they put the government sponsored abortion clause in.
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by alanrobisch November 9, 2009 7:58 PM EST
Lets hope they force it in and then forget about it. I hope the dems eat their young.
by slownewsday-05 November 10, 2009 1:20 AM EST
So Brian - you don't support war, then, right? Or are you ALSO pro-death? How about the death penalty?

Just making sure you aren't being the hypocrite I think you are being.
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