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November 3, 2009 8:22 AM

Should Signers of Anti-Gay Rights Petition Be Exposed?

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Voters in Washington state will decide today on a referendum that could effectively roll back legislation passed in May to extend domestic partnership rights and responsibilities to gay and lesbian couples similar to those granted married heterosexual couples.

In addition to the fierce battle over the referendum itself, there has been another bitter fight: One over whether the names of the more than 120,000 people who signed a petition to get the referendum on the ballot should be made public.

On one side of the debate is Larry Stickney, the campaign manager of Protect Marriage Washington and one of the main people who got the referendum, known as Referendum 71, on the ballot. Stickney opposes releasing the names, arguing that doing so opens signatories up to intimidation and harassment.

In an interview, Stickney said he has been hit with "numerous death threats," threatening phone calls in the middle of the night, and "obscene, vile emails" for being the public face of his cause.

"We've feared for our children's lives," he said.

Stickney characterized the people who signed the petition are "a bunch of little old ladies and nice people who go to church," and said that "obviously we want to protect them from this kind of thing."

He added that efforts to release the names amounted to a modern-day version of voter intimidation.

"This is no different than the Klan standing outside of voter booths in Alabama when blacks would dare to go vote," he said.

On the other side is Tom Lang, director of KnowThyNeighbor.org, a Web site that has published the names of signatories on similar measures in states around the country. Lang rejected the claims of intimidation – "it doesn't happen," he said – and says he is interested in starting a conversation between neighbors, coworkers and family members.

"This is about meaningful dialogue between those that are going to have their rights stripped from them and the people that are doing it," he said.

Lang said he isn't afraid to publicly back his position, noting that he puts his name and photo prominently on his Web site. Asked if he considers it cowardly to sign Referendum 71 but keep the decision to do so private, he said yes.

The two sides have been engaged in a legal battle that could continue even after the outcome of the referendum is known. After pro-gay rights activists and media outlets filed a request for the names to be released, opponents won a court ruling to keep them secret; the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit then overruled that decision and declared that the names should be released.

But last month the Supreme Court placed a hold on the release of the names that will remain in effect until the Court decides whether to take up the issue.

The Washington affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union filed a brief supporting the release of the names on the basis of state law, under which the names of signatories on other state petitions have been released in the past. But it has declined to take a position on the larger question of whether, in cases like this, the names should be released to the public.

Jennifer Shaw, the deputy director the Washington ACLU, said in an interview that there are two competing considerations at play.

"The right to privacy that individuals hold, that's one thing that we fight for," Shaw said, arguing that anonymous speech should be protected. On the other hand, she said, "there's a government accountability function as well."

"The only reason this thing is getting on the ballot is a certain number of validly registered Washington voters put their names on the petitions," she said. Shaw argued that if the names aren't released, it's impossible to perform oversight on the state's verification of the legitimacy of the names. (When it comes to the referendum itself, the ACLU has worked on behalf of gay rights and has donated to the cause.)

The Washington secretary of state, as well as gay rights activists, have argued that signing a petition to get a measure on a ballot amounts to playing a part in making law, as the New York Times reports, and should thus be subject to public scrutiny. But while getting access to the names was once an arduous process – interested parties in Washington state could secure a DVD that offered scanned images of the petitions – there are now searchable databases posted in places like KnowThyNeighbor.org and a similar Washington-based group called whosigned.org.

After Proposition 8 passed last year in California, repealing gay marriage rights, gay rights activists organized boycotts of donors to the cause, prompting complaints of harassment.

"This is permanent," said KnowThyNeighbor.org's Lang. "As long as I'm alive, I want people to be able to see who signed these petitions. It serves as a testament that I wish, during the other civil rights issues in this nation, we were able to have."

Stickney of Protect Marriage Washington complained that the move to release the names was tied to "liberal tyranny" and "bullying tactics" by his ideological opponents and said "ideological background checks to me aren't out of the picture at all."

"You have to swear allegiance to the gay lobby if you want to do business in Seattle at this point," he said.

What do you think? Should the names of those who signed the petition to get Referendum 71 on the ballot, and those who sign similar petitions, be made public? Let us know below.

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by armyoftwelve November 5, 2009 10:46 PM EST
If petition singers are being harrassed it is a very serious issue. Might be time to file a RICO lawsuit against homophile groups. They certainly have proven to be a vindictive bunch of self-righteous creeps.
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by stevedobkowski November 5, 2009 3:58 PM EST
In Michigan all election petitions are Public Documents. Petitions are open
for public viewing. It seems the right thing to do. Just how many states have open viewing of election petitions ? Why is the "radical right" so
concerned about this issue ? What is there to hide ?

by Steve Dobkowski, Jr., Dearborn, Michigan
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by cainch November 5, 2009 1:58 PM EST
I can't believe this is even an issue: the signatures should already be public record. These people are taking part in a public process of overturning a duly passed act of legislation. They are attempting to affect state law. It's a form of collective political speech. If you're afraid to have your name associated with the statement, don't make the statement.

And Larry, your comment is humorous, though I don't think you intended for it to be so.
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by Larry Fafarman November 5, 2009 10:38 AM EST
To me, it's like a secret ballot. Signers who wish to remain anonymous should be allowed to remain anonymous. And some signers are more vulnerable to harassment than others. And I am very suspicious of the motives of those who are demanding the names. To me, this is a no-brainer.
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by 6591Hou November 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST
CBS News - "For supporters of same-sex marriage, the Election Day loss in California seems to be energizing their campaign rather than ending it.

Demonstrations against Proposition 8, the ban on same-sex marriage, have been growing, CBS News correspondent John Blackstone reports.

Now the anger is moving to the Internet, where supporters of same-sex marriage are posting blacklists - the names and businesses of those who gave money to help Proposition 8 pass.

Chris Lee, an engineer who is an immigrant from China, was shocked to see his name on the Web site AntiGayBlacklist.com after he gave $1,000 to the campaign to end same-sex marriage.

"I was completely disgusted," Li said. "This sort of blacklist should only appear in communist countries, should not be found in the United States."

In Los Angeles, demonstrators called for a boycott of a restaurant whose manager made a personal donation of $100 to the "Yes on 8" campaign.

"She didn't think it would be public record," said Jeff Yarbrough.

Anger over the blacklists brought out demonstrators in Sacramento, where Scott Eckern resigned as musical director of a local theater when he was identified as a donor.

While it isn't clear who is behind the blacklisting Web sites, political donations are public record and publishing them is legal. But this campaign is making even many supporters of same-sex marriage uncomfortable.

"I understand the anger, but I think we need to channel it," said Molly McKay of Marriage Equality USA. "Into conversations, into moving forward because, you know again, hate vs. hate produces more hate."

Those campaigning to end same-sex marriage drew up their own blacklist, sending letters to large donors to the campaign to save same-sex marriage, demanding equal money or threatening to publish their names.

The Internet has made open political financing even more open - and perhaps more intimidating."
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by mcwmemphis November 4, 2009 5:26 PM EST
This is all about truth. If you're willing to sier your conscience and deny the truth, then no one is going to be abe to lead you to the light. Even after all the death and decease that came thru AIDs, and you still insist on sticking your pns in someone's a hole. I'm surprised female homos aren't walking around with open sores all over thier mouths.
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by mcwmemphis November 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST
I cann't believe grown men and women don't see anything perverted about grown men participating in sodomy with each other, and women having oral stimulation of the vagina with one another. One orifus is made for excrament expulsion and the other is for supplying nutrition and the third is of the reproduction of human life itself. This is queer, perverted. diviant and detramental to our society.
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by jollypants November 4, 2009 9:51 AM EST
From what I've seen in California, when the donor names were released, the homosexuals undertook a campaign of vandalism and harassment. There is a media-fostered image of homosexuals as a group of really nice people who are being oppressed by a group of really nasty people. The truth is: when the cameras aren't on rolling, homosexuals are quite vicious, violent, and vitriolic.
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by lindalds November 4, 2009 8:08 AM EST
Everyone's right to swing their fist ends where everyone else's nose begins.
The GLBT might have the "right" to know who's working against their agenda, but those working against that agenda also have the right to do so without fear of intimidation, vandalism, etc.
I would have thought that grown people would have gotten the message by now that temper tantrums get you no where. I never gave into my kids when they did it, and I refuse to be cowed by anyone now. If anything, I would just dig in my heels and fight harder.
I have always been ambivilent about "gay marriage" but the actions of those who are for it are making me want to say to them, you know, forget it. If this is how you're going to act when you don't get your way, then I'm not going to help you get your way.
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by saturn05 November 3, 2009 9:54 PM EST
The anti-gay side has tried many times to expose the names of pro-gay petition signers. So why is it when they are asked to do the same thing they act so indignant. What a bunch of two-faced idiots. I think when a person signs a petition it automatically becomes public record like many others things we sign and so be it. No one should be ashamed of signing their name to something like pro-gay marriage petitions since it is all about equality and fairness. Educate yourself and you will feel better about yourself and others. Just think why you would be so full of hate and ignorance and think it is a god-given right to take away rights of others. It makes no sense. No one is asking for special rights, we are asking for equal rights, rights that are guaranteed by the Constitution and the very issue of being human.
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by kansas1946 November 3, 2009 8:27 PM EST
In addition to the fierce battle over the referendum itself, there has been another bitter fight: One over whether the names of the more than 120,000 people who signed a petition to get the referendum on the ballot should be made public.

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Why not. They should be proud to be ****-phobic and being instrumental in trying to harm families. Why else would they have signed such a thing.
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by bradkt1 November 3, 2009 7:07 PM EST
No they should not be made public. What is the purpose of this? Why single out the signers of any petition? This is just about exposing them to harassment for expressing their political views.
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by Gayman1 November 3, 2009 8:32 PM EST
It is a law in the state of Washington that this is public knowledge. All previous referendum petitioners have been made public.

Question for you is: Why do you want to hide the signatures for this particular vote and change our state laws? If it is due to fear, why the fear mongering?

What proof positive is there that people will be harassed? I would olike examples. Nobody yet has posted examples in the state of Washington. All there is is "he said, she said". Nothing concrete.

If you want to vote and structure laws based on fear, you would never leave your house.

I am a gay man. There are many straight phobes that would LOVE to do me harm. I have dealt with it all of my life. Since I am in a 15 year relationship and am registered as a Domestic Partner within the state, MY ADDRESS is of public record. Anyone can look me up and get my info.

They could harass me. They could picket my home. Should I run out now and get people stirred up due a fear that some straight bigoted phobe is going to harass me?

Get real and stop misdirecting the topic. These laws were passed back in MAY. The state of Washington has not slipped into the sea, the sky is not falling, and things were fine.

The key issue here is repealing rights that we have had since MAY of this year.
by Hosheen November 3, 2009 7:04 PM EST
Sure they should be exposed. That's a hate crime, isn't it? If they are politicians or other public figures they should certainly be "outed".
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by ianlou November 3, 2009 9:04 PM EST
What they are worried about is business owners who could be boycotted by gays and gay supporters.

Conservative business owners don't like gays, but will tollerate them with a smile, as long as they are spending money in their establishment.
by justdatrooth November 3, 2009 6:46 PM EST
It should work both ways. The names of supporters of this bill should be made public as should the names of any ga.ys who openly oppose it. That way everyone knows who's who.
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by armyoftwelve November 5, 2009 10:48 PM EST
Now THAT is a good idea!
by CTMiche November 3, 2009 6:28 PM EST
I am amazed at how ridiculous this sounds, afraid of being bullied by gay people. The law which publishes the names fits all situations, not just because someone doesn't want to be known as prejudice. If you're ashamned of signing the petition, then don't. Gay men and women have the same right to know who opposes them as anyone else. If we choose to redirect our spending and not support those who use the money we spent in the businesses to deny us our rights, then it's our choice.

Having the information so that we can voice our opinion and prevent our hard earned money from becoming a weapon used againt us is only fair. Claiming that the big gay mob will come to the house and hurt us is ridiculous. We may voice our opinion but we are entitled to do that.
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by A_Moderate November 3, 2009 6:13 PM EST
Exposed - YES! If you are going to sign a petition against ANY group of people and try to deny them equal rights - AT LEAST HAVE THE BALLS TO HAVE YOUR NAME STAND BEHIND IT. Otherwise you are a coward!
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by endurorob_5 November 3, 2009 6:26 PM EST
Who is being denied equal rights?
by armyoftwelve November 5, 2009 10:49 PM EST
Anyone can marry anyone else in Washington state-it just has to be to a member of the opposite sex BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT A MARRIAGE IS!
by forphalupper November 3, 2009 6:09 PM EST
As a member of the Cambridge Heterosexual Men's Choir, I categorically reject any attempt to limit marriage to a relationship between human beings. Of any gender.

I support Women and Gerbils. I support Men and Marsupials. Hell, I even support Newt Gigrich & Newt Geico.

I once dated a casava Melon. My affections were not requited, but that's another story. Jungian psychotherapy is helping.

The bottom line is... please... let's all be politically correct, at all costs. If White House staff members want to praise Chairman Mao, why shouldn't we all just accept the fact that there's a connection between global climate change and the obvious pandemic of mental disorders on display both here and abroad, and be done with it.

My significant orangutan and I have accepted it. Why don't you?

Tierra Del Fuego is looking better and better.
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by mensarino November 3, 2009 7:47 PM EST
You are a moron trying desperately to be witty-------not working.
by armyoftwelve November 5, 2009 10:51 PM EST
Thanks for being so candid. I respect you-gay man-just because you are a human being. You can marry a melon at the Unitarian church if they will let you but I won't give you legal status.

Go with God's love :)
by jsd330 November 3, 2009 6:00 PM EST
If I sign a petition for someone to run for office, or something to be put on a ballot. That means I support what the petition is for, no one forced these people to sign the petition, so what's the big deal if it is made public. If you don't want your views and support made public don't sign it.
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by jt92202 November 3, 2009 6:21 PM EST
I don't totally agree, sometimes people sign petitions because they feel it should be left up to the voters to vote on the law or inititive. And for the most part people respect others opinions but as we saw down in CA some people don't and publishing the petition with addresses could cause a problem. Because I sign a petition doesn't mean I want the other side picketting my home or business, and maybe I agree with the other side I just feel that I want to vote on the issue.
by jsd330 November 3, 2009 6:42 PM EST
jt92202 Then don't sign the petition, if your afraid of consequences. It's that simple.
by mensarino November 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST
endurorob----You are the personification of the hateful homophobe who would twist logic in a vain attempt to justify his personal prejudice.One can only hope that you are of sufficient years to take your antiquated views with you to your eternal reward in a very short time.Fess up that you are a bigot and stop trying to stand reason on its head.
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by armyoftwelve November 5, 2009 10:53 PM EST
It must be true 'cause mensarino said so (not).
by olyboy November 3, 2009 5:45 PM EST
Give them the names and addresses. Everyone knows that they want the names and addresses so they can terrorize these folks for THEIR VIEWS (how ironic). What no one is focusing on is that Washington is a "shall" state where people are guaranteed the right to carry weapons to defend themselves. This is going to get ugly the first time a group of gays decides to trespass on someone's property and threaten them.
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by Gayman1 November 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST
"Give them the names and addresses. Everyone knows that they want the names and addresses so they can terrorize these folks for THEIR VIEWS (how ironic). What no one is focusing on is that Washington is a "shall" state where people are guaranteed the right to carry weapons to defend themselves. This is going to get ugly the first time a group of gays decides to trespass on someone's property and threaten them"

LOL - you honestly believe this?

I am gay and I would never think of violence towards somebody just because they believe differently. Quite honestly, MOST human beings never consider this whatsoever. Even the suggestion I find questionable.
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