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October 18, 2009 10:30 AM

Third Death from Sweat Lodge Ceremony Led by James Arthur Ray

(AP/Tom Tingle, Arizona Republic)
Photo: Investigators look over a "sweat lodge" on the grounds of Angel Valley Retreat Center, near Sedona, Ariz.

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. A third person has died a week after she attended a sweat lodge ceremony at the Angel Valley Retreat Center that has already left two dead and nearly two dozen hospitalized.

The deaths are being investigated as homicides and James Arthur Ray, the self-help guru that led the retreat is in the crosshairs.

Liz Neuman of Minnesota died Saturday at a Flagstaff hospital, Yavapai County sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn said.

The 49-year-old suffered multiple organ damage during the Oct. 8 ceremony at a resort near Sedona, a resort town 115 miles (185 kilometers) north of Phoenix that draws many in the New Age spiritual movement.

Authorities were treating all three deaths as homicides, but no charges have been filed.

Neuman was among more than 50 people crowded inside the sweat lodge run by self-help guru James Arthur Ray. An emergency call two hours after they entered the lodge reported two people not breathing.

Twenty-one people were taken to area hospitals with illnesses ranging from dehydration to kidney failure. Kirby Brown, 38, and James Shore, 40, died upon arrival at a hospital.

No one else remains hospitalized.

Authorities haven't determined what caused the deaths. Autopsy results on Brown and Shore are pending further testing.

The Rev. Meredith Ann Murray, who has completed all of Ray's retreats, said Neuman was among Ray's earliest followers and had attended dozens of his events.

According to Ray's Web site, Neuman was the leader of the Minneapolis-area “Journey Expansion Team.” The teams, developed by Ray's friends and followers around the country, meet to exchange ideas on his principles. The next Minneapolis-area meeting is scheduled for Oct. 23.

(JamesRay.com)
Photo: James Arthur Ray.

Ray had rented the Angel Valley Retreat Center for his five-day “Spiritual Warrior” event that culminated in the sweat lodge ceremony. Participants paid between $9,000 and $10,000 to attend the retreat.

Ray declined to be interviewed by the sheriff's office on the night of the incident and Arizona authorities said he had not spoken to them as of Thursday. In his first public appearance Tuesday in Los Angeles, Ray told a crowd of about 200 that he has hired his own investigative team to determine what went wrong.

His spokesman, Howard Bragman, has said that Ray's team and Ray's attorney are co-operating with the sheriff's investigators.

More than 100 people attended the funeral for Brown on Saturday at Holy Name of Jesus Church in Otisville, New York, according to The Times Herald-Record newspaper. The avid hiker and surfer who had a passion for art was remembered as a spiritual seeker.

Services for Shore were held late Saturday afternoon at the Hubbard Lodge in Milwaukee.

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by gifthorsie October 26, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
This is such a sad and disturbing story. I feel so badly for the poor people and their families. James Arthur Ray and his 'movement' hints somewhat of brainwashing cults like est that keep people uncomfortable for long periods (stop folks from going to the bathroom, etc) so they can gain control over them. They break them down over a short period, and then build them back up with a sense of euphoria. This is extremely distructive. I trust the government is looking into Mr. James Arthur Ray's personal finances. Someone who would let his own followers die like this is might do other illegal activities like, say, tax evasion? Where there's a Sweat Lodges, there's undoubtedly Fire.
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by manzplan October 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
to yalatanza and the other who choose to use these people's death to promote their agenda of hammering a dying repressive religion back down the throat of the world. Stop it right now. These deaths are a sad thing and have nothing to do with the belief system that Mr Ray promotes or Oprah for that matter, or the many many Physicists who also tell us this is the closet to the truth we have come. You say people should come back to the "One True God" assuming you are speaking of the Christian one, since people who are so narrow minded and bigoted usually are when they make such a statement. How many people have died or become ill at camp meetings and tent revivals from heat exhuastion? Answer many and I have seen quite few in my day when I was forced to go to them. No one forced these folks into the sweat lodge they went willingly. How many people have gotten sick or died from tainted pot luck dinner foods at churches? Answer many not to mention those who died from obesity because of that lifestyle. How many people have died at church camps? on church trips? etc etc etc etc. How many people have been murdered in the name of "The one True God"
The list goes on and on for people dying at or on their way to Christian events is very long. The list for deaths "related" to "The Secret" is the 3 people on this page. Guess what? These deaths are not related to "The Secret" or any belief system anymore than those kids who died on a church camp bus a couple years ago is related to Christianity. It just happened and it is sad. Just like a friend of mine's dad who died at a church baseball game. Is that God's fault or the fault of that churches belief system? Grow up.
My only problem with Ray's beliefs is that he tries to still fit in the nicey nice crap of Do gooding in an attempt to get people to act nice to others. If you truly understand "The Secret" it has nothing to do with that. It is just your thoughts creating reality. That is all and that in being proven daily in science and in the market place.
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by yalatanza October 20, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
Sorry Oprah Winfrey wasn't there because she has turned on a lot of American to this falsehood, the Secret. What would you gain from this gimmick anyway? There are many of them out there making money off insecure people who are looking for that something that has eluding them.

They have rejected the true god who has power over all the universe. These Gurus, including Eckhart Toole, and his book of lies "A New Earth" are just fooling people to make money off them. Where in the world can you wish riches and all of a sudden there are millions in your bank account. These are some of foolishness that Oprah was teaching on her web cast all over the world.

To those who are being misled, don't feel too bad because you have compnay in Oprah Winfrey and Gale, Jim Carey and his girlfriend Jenny McCarthy, Denzil Wishington and a lot of those hollywood misfits.
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by skysinger1 October 20, 2009 5:47 AM EDT
An "accident"? That is ignorant. I have attended Inipi (sweatlodge) in northern Colorado for years. Only a person who is honored and earns the rank of Pipe Carrier can lead these ceremonies, legitimately, in Native traditions (at least Lakota). They know to take care of their people during this. Seems like this guy thinks his fabulous spray tan and bleached teeth qualified him. Get real. I used to LIKE this guy actually, but I am off all his lists now.
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by rtlhaz October 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
has nothing to do with liking this guy or not...he did not want these people to die...get real..........................
by rtlhaz October 19, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
since ray might be charged with homicide are the race organizers in detroit going to be charge with murder of the three runners that died?...apples for apples???. it was an accident nothing more.
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by rtlhaz October 19, 2009 4:39 PM EDT
since ray might be charged with homicide are the race organizers in detroit going to be charge with murder of the three runners that died?...apples for apples???. it was an accident nothing more.
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by rwsmith29456 October 18, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
Three people killed and other people burned? This wasn't a sweat lodge or sauna, it was a furnace.
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by mecanik-2009 October 18, 2009 8:09 PM EDT
If you were to go back in history, way, way back. I wonder how many Indians died over the years in "Sweat lodge" accidents. Maybe we need to have nationwide licensing system and register every "sweat lodger" and have a three day mandetory "cooling off period" hahahaha
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by fedup12 October 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
by credibility2 October 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
Too many gullible and weak people search for spirituality based on an ad or marketing gimmick. Ray took advantage of these delusional low-esteemed individuals.
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Good thing the regular low esteemed, gullible people dont have 10G to spend on this updistay itshay...
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by SpiritualShow October 18, 2009 6:23 PM EDT
This is why it's so important for people to realize that they need to follow their own inner guidance rather than that of some guru.
These spiritual leaders & teachers have awesome information to share, but take what resonates with you & leave the rest.
And do what feels right for you, whether or not it complies with the teachings of whatever practice you follow.
Clearly, proper safety measures were not taken & people lost their lives. I don't think it's murder but it's certainly negligent.
While there is probably some fault with the organizers of the event, and perhaps criminal negligence, people do need to take responsibility for themselves. I'm not saying the people who suffered injuries or death are at fault, this is a very sad and unfortunate situation. But when we put our faith in some other person, and blindly follow whatever they say rather than following what we know in our hearts to be our own best path, things like this can happen very easily.
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by credibility2 October 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
Too many gullible and weak people search for spirituality based on an ad or marketing gimmick. Ray took advantage of these delusional low-esteemed individuals.
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by rsamps1 October 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT
Jimmy Ray is a complete whack-job- why was he allowed to leave the state? Clearly he was responsible for these deaths- if not homicide, clearly manslaughter. He's going around acting like nothing much happened, "helping people." It's safe to say that nobody needs James Ray's help...BTW, paying to sit in a "sweat lodge"? Come on people, get a life-
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by BrianSchider October 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
I live in Sedona and this story disturbs and saddens me. There are many great people that host sweat lodges in Sedona. Everyone of those people that I have met are native american and Know the do's and do not's to providing a save experience. The owners of Angel Valley are great people. It is people like these so called self proclaimed guru's that give the real spiritual people a bad name. Lock this guy up. Show the public that we will not tolerate non natives from exploiting sacred ceromonies for large sums of money. I have been in several sweats and never have I heard of that many people in one sweat. Dehydration should not be a factor considering that natives who hold these sweats stress the importance of drinking plenty of water before the sweat. The right people do not allow weak bodies in a sweat. I hope this sends a message to the rest of the fakes that have blind followers. James Ray was right about one thing. It was a life changing experience. Now he can retire in prison. If he is truly spiritual he will accept a prison sentence, get sued from the families and lose everything he has taken from people. I hope you read this James, get out of your denial, throw the towel in and prepare for a life of making license plates. It's time you find god and prison will show you the way. When spiritual guru's have a team of lawyers that should also say something to the public. When you operate in purity chance will favor you. It's over James, get a new day job.
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by doreenpowell October 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT
Amen - time for you to begin listening to your own guru - YOURSELF! I have participated in many sweats and have never been asked for one cent. These 'sweats were run by pipe carriers and lodge keepers - not some greedy fake self-professed spiritual guy. The fact that he left the site tells me who he really is. Shame on him and his abundance quackery!
by vancouverboo October 18, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
If you die do you get a tuition refund?
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by lmartink October 18, 2009 12:22 PM EDT
Was this the new Jonestown? Why do people fall for nut jobs like this?

And as one who has spent a little bit of time in sweat lodges, I know that 2 hours is an incredibly long time in a dangerous and hazardous environment. I'm glad this is being taken seriously, and I've got a hunch the story is going to be fascincating, just like the story at Jonestown.
by dragon8me October 18, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
I think these people felt obligated to stay until told to leave, instead of leaving when they had enough , especially after paying a lot of money, which is crazy. Noramlly a person wouldn't stay if they started feeling sick. It can be dangerious and I wonder if they were told of the dangers. And then, it was done for profit, so how can it be a spiritual event. I don't know about you but I would never trust the money grubbing types.
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by tuffyturf October 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT
What a scam James Arthur Ray is perpetrating. The man is responsible for the deaths of 3 people, and there are more! People have been injured and dying in these "Sweat Lodges" for years. This individual belongs in jail. He was so broken up about news of the deaths that he just had to do back to back speaking engagements at Rancho Bernardo and La Jolla, in California. ( By the way La Jolla is the richest city in America ) He was again pushing his Scam, and trying to sell his products etc. to further enrich him, with your hard earned money! James Arthur Ray was so grief stricken, that he just had to do these engagements the day after people died, under his tutelage! Also, he refuses to cooperate with authorities, or even give a statement. I hope the families of the 3 people, who died, sue him civilly and bankrupt his cult. Then he can tell all his fellow cons about how people paid him $10,000 to be locked in a sauna, in the middle of the desert, while they slowly cooked and suffered brain damage and death! Come on America- wake up! How do people fall for this type of scam? If you want, you can pay me $5,000 and I'll give you a Karate Chop across the bridge of the nose, then I'll whisper inspirational clichés in your ear, and you will come away with the exact same experience that James Arthur Ray offers, at half the price....
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by pete_in_az October 18, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
Services were held at the Hubbard lodge? Like L. Ron Hubbard?
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