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October 13, 2009 11:21 AM

Why GOP Leader Opposes Hate Crimes Protections for Gays

(AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari, File)
Last week, House Republican Leader John Boehner objected to House passage of a bill that would expand hate crime laws and make it a federal crime to assault people on the basis of their sexual orientation.

"All violent crimes should be prosecuted vigorously, no matter what the circumstance," he said. "The Democrats' 'thought crimes' legislation, however, places a higher value on some lives than others. Republicans believe that all lives are created equal, and should be defended with equal vigilance."

Based on that statement, CBSNews.com contacted Boehner's office to find out if the minority leader opposes all hate crimes legislation. The law as it now stands offers protections based on race, color, religion and national origin.

In an email, Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith said Boehner "supports existing federal protections (based on race, religion, gender, etc) based on immutable characteristics."

It should be noted that the current law does not include gender, though the expanded legislation would cover gender as well as sexual orientation, gender identity and disability.

"He does not support adding sexual orientation to the list of protected classes," Smith continued.

Boehner's position, then, appears to be grounded in the notion that immutable characteristics should be protected under hate crimes laws. And while religion is an immutable characteristic, his office suggests, sexual orientation is not.

Northeastern University professor Jack Levin, who co-authored the first book written about hate crimes, told Hotsheet that "to use immutability as a criterion doesn't make any sense at all."

"Especially if he supports the current stand," Levin continued. "Religion is clearly not ascribed. It's not built into the organism. People can change it at any time and people do."

"It sounds to me as though the criticism is focused on the addition of gays and lesbians to the list of protected categories at the federal level," he said. "That seems to be the problem."

Rep. Tom Price, who heads the GOP conservative caucus, also complained last week that the expansion of hate crimes legislation amounted to "thought crimes," and he labeled the bill's passage – tied to a defense bill – an "absolute disgrace."

But contacted about his position on hate crimes legislation overall, Price took a different position than Boehner. According to Price communications director Brendan Buck, the congressman opposes all hate crimes protections, including existing ones.

"We believe all hate crimes legislation is unconstitutional and places one class of people above others," said Buck.

CBSNews.com also reached out to the Republican National Committee for comment, though the RNC did not respond by publication time.

If someone is convicted of a hate crime, they are subject to punishment beyond what they would have otherwise received. The expanded federal law would eliminate requirements that victims of hate crimes be engaged in a certain activity to qualify for protection (such as being a juror). It would also provide grants for the prosecution of hate crimes and allow the federal government to help local authorities in hate crimes investigations.

In his email, Boehner spokesman Smith also offered another reason for Boehner's opposition to the expanded hate crime legislation.

The bill, he said, "could eventually invite the prosecution of Americans for their thoughts and religious beliefs, basic provinces protected by the First Amendment."

While changes were made to the bill to strengthen protections for religious speech, critics complained that religious leaders could still be prosecuted under it should their sermons be seen as having incited violence. Smith complained that Democrats added new language to the bill "to permit the government to 'substantially burden' a person’s exercise of religion in 'furtherance of a compelling governmental interest' if certain conditions are met."

Constitutional requirements dictate that the laws have to cover every type of person within a group – that is, straights as well as gays, whites as well as blacks, Christians as well as Jews, and so on. Federal Bureau of Investigation hate crimes statistics show that hate crimes were committed against whites, Christians and heterosexuals in 2007, though they were far more likely to be committed against members of minority groups.

Levin, the hate crimes expert at Northeastern, argued that hate crimes legislation doesn't amount to a takeover by the "thought police" because hate speech remains protected under the first amendment.

He believes that hate crimes legislation can legitimately take intent into account – for example, homophobic slurs shouted by someone committing an assault.

"We've always used, in criminal law, what a defendant said in order to determine the severity of the punishment," Levin said. "This is nothing new. If you by your words indicate that you've planned a murder, it will be regarded as first degree."
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by Paine_wwweb_r October 17, 2009 1:59 AM EDT
This is not about whether or not a person being attacked is gay. It is about MOTIVATION. If someone attacks me because he THINKS I'm gay, that would (under a sexual orientation hate crimes law) be a hate crime. It's a recognition of an extra layer of motivation that goes beyond "I want to hurt someone." It brings up the reasons someone would want to hurt someone, and hopefully, the extra layer of punishment will help dissuade those reasons.

Sadly, I think there will always be those whose hate exceeds their ability to care about the punishment.
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by doctgo5 October 16, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
The GOP (Grand Old Party)has become the HOP (HATEFUL Old Party). I like millions of others, am both proud and happy to say "I am no longer a Republican! ".... The greed, bigotry and hatred are just too much. Moderate republicans....run for your life!
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by jankebenzone October 16, 2009 2:23 AM EDT
by plainJayne October 16, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
gaye5. Before you were trying to candy coat your hate Since it didn't work now the real you has come out. Sort of like Ursula from The Little Mermaid. Just because we are able to think for ourselves and not so deluded to believe everything from a stupid book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of men and then interpreted over fifty times. That doesn't even include all the rewrites. So when you die, I hope there is no heaven or hell for you just Blackness, because that is all you spew.
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Some people find knowledge and reason with cartoons and their characters yet will think the bible is a stupid book. Remarkable!
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by jankebenzone October 16, 2009 12:31 AM EDT
by gaye5 October 15, 2009 6:27 PM EDT
Good post with lots of info.The bible is all about proper living, morals,behavior, ect, but above all, faith, truth, and salvation. Unfortunately as you can see by the replys, you're better off to tell it to the wall. At least its thinner than most skulls on this board, and the material behind the wall will better absorb the info than whatever lies beyond those thick skulls.
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by plainJayne October 16, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
gaye5. Before you were trying to candy coat your hate Since it didn't work now the real you has come out. Sort of like Ursula from The Little Mermaid. Just because we are able to think for ourselves and not so deluded to believe everything from a stupid book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of men and then interpreted over fifty times. That doesn't even include all the rewrites. So when you die, I hope there is no heaven or hell for you just Blackness, because that is all you spew.
by Ladiebug October 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
NOTE: The above comment is by Jankebenzone, NOT by Gaye5. Jankebenzone was simply trying to reference Gaye5's post without actually quoting it.
by chitown639 October 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT
Why is the Republican position on every issue always the bigoted one?
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by earlysaid October 15, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
There is no good reason not to want attacks on gays to be a hate crime. The evil crazies and the downright mean and evil have a lot of hate to go around. Penalties should be severe for any hateful crimes against this large group of citizens in America.
by brettwashere October 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT
What ever happened to equal application of the law?
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by callUout October 15, 2009 10:11 PM EDT
It went the same way as equal protection under the law.
by algernonandarthur October 18, 2009 12:05 PM EDT
It's still there; however, attacks against gay people based on their sexual orientation are statistically more violent, statistically involve brutal weapons like ice picks, and the most common violent hate crime. Yet, no federal statute exists.

Legislation like this is gives a more severe penalty for crimes which have a greater likely hood of being about mutilation. The crimes are not equal, and currently neither are the protections.
by robo1415 October 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT
It is symptomatic of America's descent into totalitarianism that these laws that punish thought have come about.These so-called "hate crime" laws are an affront to a free society and The Constitution.THEY MUST GO!
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by plainJayne October 15, 2009 6:15 PM EDT
punish thought? Beating someone up isn't just a thought, it's an action against someone you despise. How is this an affront to free society? Do you think it's ok for people to beat up people that are different than them? So if I understand you right, if the taliban or al quada came over here and killed you and your family, they have a right to do that, because their beliefs preach Americans are evil. It's a two way street. You can't have your cake and theirs too.
by plainJayne October 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT
@richie189: I wasn't quoting anything I heard, I was merely stating that those kind of predictions are too vague to be considered true predictions of future events. So, if that is what you were going to say, then don't bother. I have a real life. I don't have time to browse through a book I have no use for. Since you're so smart and almighty, why don't you enlighten me?
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by richie189 October 16, 2009 8:14 AM EDT
No, I'll just pray for you instead. End of discussion...
by jjreding-2009 October 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
by Biasbuster October 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
I see the left wing hate mongers are out in full force on this board.
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Excuse me????????????? There is NOTHING hateful about the statements made by the 'left' on this board. What IS being said is that the RIGHT has a one-track mind, and that track is NO GAYS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. They don't want to give them the right to marry who they want, they don't want to repeal the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, and they don't want to grant protection to them when they are attacked simply because of their sexual beliefs. Don't tell me there aren't HATE CRIMES. Remember that kid that got dragged to death behind a pickup truck a few years ago SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS GAY????? If THAT isn't a hate crime, NOTHING is.
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by jjreding-2009 October 15, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
Leave it to the jerk to say this. I'm not at all surprised. Even before I read the article I KNEW it was Boehner. Hate crimes are crimes against people for being what they are, NOT just 'for the hell of it' as most crimes appear to be. Crimes against people for the sake of the crime does not rise to the same level as crimes committed against someone simply because they are of an ethnic group, a religious group or a sexual-orientation group. All I can say to Boehner AGAIN is ****. God I hope this idiot is voted out of office in the next cycle. I'm embarrassed to say that he's from my state of Ohio - though fortunately he's NOT my representative.
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by patronejohn October 15, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
Well the GOP could look at the bright side..this means Larry Craid would have not been arrested and Republicans in congress wouldn't get in trouble for sending explicit emails to young male pages.
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by cbsblogger October 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT
Hate crime laws are a stepping stone to speech censorship and a fascist police state. They are too arbitrary and based upon politics and mind reading.

Lastly they can take equal crimes of violence (for example) and make one victim and his crime more important than others. If I'm robbed and assaulted, I want the same effort to be put forth by police regardless of the intent and regardless if someone else is assaulted and it is deemed as a higher priority because it is a hate crime because of ethnicity or sexual preference. This country is about equality even if it is only pretense.
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by saturn05 October 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT
You are missing the point I think. I believe these protections are necessary for minority groups becasue they are not treated equally in the courts. If you are white, you will more than likely get a fair trial. But history tell us that blacks, homosexuals and other minority groups see justice turn a blind eye when it comes to protecting them. So if it takes a hate crime bill, so be it.
by callUout October 15, 2009 9:57 PM EDT
The difference between hate crime and regular crime is in the punishment the convicted face, not in how "important" the crime is to law enforcement is or how much effort is put into the prosecution.
by noloyalisti October 15, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
We really need to get religion OUT of our goverment, all it does is slant it. Any outwardly religious politicians or who admit they get their inspiration from God should immediately be removed from office. THAT is what we need a constitutional amendment for.
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by dmwj2 October 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
It is also about prevention. Back in the old days, if white Bubba Redneck beat up a black guy due to his hatred of black people, the Law would say... "Now, Bubba, you ought not have done that. Now gone on home, and clean your guns." Today, with hate crimes laws, Bubba is going to JAIL!

Bubba might think twice about acting on his hate...
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by noloyalisti October 15, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
The Bonehead leader of the Gay Old Party, like so many of his party, loves railing against gay and extramarital love while engaging in it themselves. The ultimate hypocrits are Republicans and conservatives.
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by dnatech October 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
Without hate and fear, what else do the neocon cowards have?...that is right: nothing! Get it folks?
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by markrichard2 October 15, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
The proponents of these identity politics brainstorms seem to be unable to grasp any possible reason anyone could object to the spirit of affirmative action now creeping into law enforcement. Let's just make laws against violent crime on any basis, OK? All trials feature investigation into motive, which is relevant. Each crime has its individual features. The nasty part is that it's much more dangerous to be a cab driver or a night-shift convenience store clerk than to be a homosexual. So why 'special protections' for the latter?

Please find it in yourself to respond rationally, instead of just shouting "Hate!" at anyone who disagrees. I have a gay sister to whom I am very close, and I don't need the tired little 'After-School Special'- level lectures on tolerance; but I also have straight loved ones, too, so I don't like these attempts to divide ordinary citizens into identity categories through the law. Sorry if that bothers some people.
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by callUout October 15, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
". . . it's much more dangerous to be a cab driver or a night-shift convenience store clerk than to be a homosexual. So why 'special protections' for the latter?"

Well . . . the difference is partly that I don't think many cab drivers or night-shift convenience clerks are beaten and/or killed BECAUSE they are a cab driver or a night-shift clerk. Once a cabbie is off work and walking down the street, I don't think he's in too much danger of some freak coming up to him and saying "You're a sick cabbie. An abomination! Cabbie!" and then stabbing him 10 times. A cab drivers JOB may be more dangerous than most, but BEING a cab driver is not more dangerous than being a person who some religious say should be stoned to death. See the difference?
by markrichard2 October 16, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
It's a fair distinction. The problem for the ordinary citizen is that if one is interested in prosecuting violence, one goes to where the violence occurs, such as convenience stores. By the justification for 'hate crimes' (as if suggesting that some victims of violent crime are not objects of 'hated' by the perpetrator on some psychological level), all rape cases are 'hate crimes', since the sexual identity of the victim is the key to the crime.

An individual's total identity is seldom not a part of his or her victimization - take violence against older people, for instance, or people who look like 'easy marks' because of their physical appearance. And, of course, by men against women. But - oh, yes - we already have laws against rape. (It used to be a capital offense in some states. Does the fact that the death penalty is no longer sought in rape cases mean that the status of women has declined in the past half-century? Such are the hazards of the identity-politics mentality.) We also already have laws against other violent crimes. These laws ask for special treatment for particular kinds of crime victims, which is their ugly side - 'we' deserve special consideration.

The fact that Matthew Shepard was likely slain over a drug deal gone bad rather than because he was gay is an apt symbol of the false humanity of 'hate crimes' laws. Equal treatment of crime victims under the law is humane. Different treatments based on 'identity' is as bad as different treatment based on social status.
by bookerone October 15, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
What would Jesus do? Pass the Hate Crimes bill.
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by sbelknap01 October 15, 2009 9:59 AM EDT
The ignorance and hatred posted here is the best argument I can give you for this legislation. The most important part of the bill isn't Gay/Lesbian inclusion, by the way - it's the part where the federal government can 'assist' in local investigations. This means when the local Sherriff's son has a few too many and sets the local (insert favorite minority here) on fire, the feds can come in and do something to help the victims - we still have very dangerous and insular communities of very hateful people in this country and to let them continue to harm minorities and walk away laughing is absurd.
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by NYCGreg October 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
Do you have any evidence that this is actually happening, and that these crimes are going unprosecuted?

I think essentially what you want is stiffer sentences for those who harm anybody other than straight white males, which then makes straight white males second-class citizens, which in your bigoted and demented mind is how things should be.
by NYCGreg October 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
So lemme get this straight.

Someone beats me up. They get 2 years.

Someone beats you up. They get 10 years.

And "hate crimes" somehow ENHANCES our equality? All hate crimes does is makes ME a second class citizen.

Libs are the bigots, not Conservatives.
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by plainJayne October 15, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
If you followed any stories of gay beatings you would know that most of the perps get off with very light sentences, especially in places like the south or midwest.
by virescentgirl October 15, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
Um no it does not. If someone beats you because of your race, religion, etc... it would also be a hate crime. The motivation behind a crime is as much a determinate of the punishment as the crime itself. If someone is motivated by discrimination or prejudice to harm you, it is a hate crime.
by cgilb09 October 15, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
You're a fool. As a straight, white man, if you were walking in a bad neighborhood one night, let's say a gang made of all minorities specifically targets you out for being a white guy in that neighborhood, calls you "cracker", and beats the crap out of you. That is a hate crime. Hate crimes happen to the majority as well as the minority.
by boatdocster October 15, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
Te problem is most of the far "family values" right folks that beat up gays and lesbians don't just beat them - the beat the person to death. This bill would hopefully prevent some of those needless murders, and therefore would enhance many lives.
by callUout October 15, 2009 10:10 PM EDT
No.

Someone beats you up to take your wallet, the get 2 years.
Someone - as they scream "*****! ******!" - beats a lesbian walking down the street holding her girlfriend's hand, he gets 10 years.
or
Someone beats you up because your Catholic, or because you're white, or because you're from Ireland, etc, etc, they get 10 years.

You act like you're being excluded when YOU, in fact, are the one already protected by hate crimes laws. You may think Christians are not the bigots, but they sure act like the martyrs.
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