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October 1, 2009 3:50 PM

Montana Gun Suit Challenges Federal Authority

(AP)
A Montana lawsuit filed on Thursday challenges federal authority to regulate guns manufactured and sold within the state, an argument that would effectively invalidate federal firearm laws in Big Sky Country if adopted by the courts.

The lawsuit arose out of a state law signed by Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer that took effect on October 1. It says that firearms, ammunition, and accessories manufactured entirely inside Montana are not subject to federal regulation, including background checks for buyers and record-keeping requirements for sellers. They would remain subject to state regulation, and machine gun manufacturing is not permitted.

This is part of a new grassroots movement that's seeking to invoke the principle of states' rights -- including states' authority to regulate firearms within their borders -- to thwart what backers view as an increasingly overreaching federal government.

One of the plaintiffs is Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association. The complaint (PDF) says Marbut "wishes to manufacture and sell small arms and small arms ammunition to customers exclusively in Montana" without complying with federal laws but has been told by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives that the federal laws "continue to apply." (See related CBSNews.com story about the Obama administration's position.)

While this federalism-inspired revolt has coalesced around gun rights, the broader goal is to dust off a section of the Bill of Rights that most Americans probably have paid scant attention to: the Tenth Amendment. It says that "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

"We feel very strongly that the federal government has gone way too far in attempting to regulate a lot of activity that occurs only in-state," said Marbut. "It's time for Montana and her sister states to take a stand against the bullying federal government, which the legislature and governor have done and we are doing with this lawsuit."

The case was filed by Quentin Rhoades of Sullivan, Tabaracci, and Rhoades in Missoula, Mont., with the support of the Second Amendment Foundation. The U.S. Justice Department, which will be defending the suit in court, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

Read literally, the Tenth Amendment seems to suggest that the federal government's powers are limited only to what it has been "delegated," and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1918 confirmed that the amendment "carefully reserved" some authority "to the states." That view is echoed by statements made at the time the Constitution was adopted; New Hampshire explicitly said that states kept "all powers not expressly and particularly delegated" to the federal government.

More recently, federal courts have interpreted the Tenth Amendment narrowly, in a way that justifies almost any law on grounds that it intends to regulate interstate commerce. In the 2005 case of Gonzales v. Raich, for instance, the Supreme Court ruled that a person growing marijuana for her own medicinal use could have a "substantial effect on interstate commerce." (In an pointed dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote: "If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything -- and the federal government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.")

One possibility is is that the composition of the U.S. Supreme Court has changed enough in the last four years to make a repeat of Gonzales v. Raich unlikely; on the other hand, some justices that might have been sympathetic to a sick mother using medical marijuana may not be as willing to embrace federalism if it means zapping gun laws that have been around for over a generation.

Another possibility is that proponents can argue -- as Marbut plans to do -- that this case is different. In Gonzales v. Raich, the Supreme Court noted "it is not feasible to distinguish" marijuana that's "manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate." The Montana law, by contrast, says that all state-made firearms "must have the words 'Made in Montana' clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame."

Still, the case amounts to a long shot squared. Perhaps, in a slightly different universe where the Tenth Amendment were not virtually ignored by courts, the plaintiffs would stand a good chance of winning. In this post-Raich reality, even pro-Second Amendment types are skeptical.

"I think they probably should succeed and I think they probably won't," Nelson Lund, a professor of constitutional law at George Mason University who specializes in the Second Amendment, told me over the summer. "The Supreme Court has strong precedents that would render this statute invalid."

But this is as much as political maneuver as it is a legal one. Even a courtroom defeat would galvanize the burgeoning federalist movement and could lead to more states adopting sovereignty and Tenth Amendment resolutions, a trend that has been documented by the Tenth Amendment Center (and anticipated by forecaster Gerald Celente). If enough state governments vote to resuscitate the Tenth Amendment, even federal courts eventually may pay attention.

Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBSNews.com. He can be reached at declan@cbsnews.com. You can bookmark the Taking Liberties site here, or subscribe to the RSS feed.
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by Eskiegirl302 October 14, 2009 9:57 AM EDT
The Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia being NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

It says what it says and the federal government CAN NOT INFRINGE upon those rights. As far as I am concerned, the Second Amendment is the most important clause in any of the founding documents - bar none. I will be far more successful protecting my First Amendment rights with a gun, than I will trying to protect my Second Amendment rights with eloquent dialogue.

This issue appears obvious to me. Those who disagree appear to be stubbornly resistant to logic. I do not deny that they are equally sincere in their interpretation of the facts, however I feel they are hopelessly myopic in this regard.

The First Amendment protects your right to say any malevolent thing you want, even if you ideas meake me nauseated enough to develop a bleeding ulcer. To the dismay of the anti-freedom movement, The Second Amendment works the same way. The Second Amendment is enumerated within the Bill of Rights. That means that I have A RIGHT to keep and bear arms and I am not obligated to obtain government permission to do so.

You may not like the fact that I carry a gun; it may make you extremely nervous; you may toss and turn all night worrying about the fact that I carry a gun. Too damn bad. My right to carry a gun for self-defense, or just for my pursuit of happiness is not predicated on whether or not you approve of my activity.

Even if the number of children killed by guns each year were ten times the fictitious touted by Sara Brady's propaganda squads, it would not justify the violation of my rights because of the heinous acts of others.

Handgun control (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) believes that if "just one child" is saved by gun control laws, then the infringements of our rights miraculously become worth it. This is specious reasoning because it sacrifices all of our rights for a utopian impossibility. Even if we could eliminate all of the guns (which is as likely as preventing teenagers from discovering sex) it would not prevent children from dying at the hands of brutal attackers.

Hopefully this debate will will remain in the purely theoretical realm. If it doesn't the people WITH guns are certain to prevail over those without.
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by M0kfe October 12, 2009 12:29 PM EDT
To Gifford Rainier . . .

Constitutionally, any elected county sheriff may prohibit federal law enforcement agents from working in his/her county.
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by DoubleHappiness88 October 8, 2009 8:25 AM EDT
Who knew America was a nation of *constitutional experts*?

I find it strange, however, that these *constitutional experts* have so little knowledge of the English language. Their arguments and language seem more like that of citizens from barely-literate third world nations.

Is it possible most attended school in Alabama? Perhaps they are only parroting what they heard from the N.R.A. and/or the K.K.K.
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by FrancescaZ October 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
The federal government has gotten WAY TOO BIG. It threatens the very foundation of our Republic. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin et al would literally NOT RECOGNIZE the behemoth in D.C.

The 2nd Amendment is in a precarious situation, particulary under this regime. GunBanObama.com
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by Overthair October 6, 2009 8:52 AM EDT
How asinine..all this bickering over the peoples rights, the States rights, the Constitution says this or it says that. The issue is dead, it has been dead since 9-13-1914. Look at it this way...you have no money and you cannot own property. You call that liberty? You call that freedom? We are slaves and we will be slaves until the moneychangers are whipped out of the temple.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0446549193?tag=lewrockwell&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0446549193&adid=1ERE0VE5G3RWSYJXHYX9&
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by wfields58 October 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT
I'm not here to rag on anybody, and I haven't the time to read all the comments. I do wish we could have a civil discussion about this without resorting to calling others names in order to make ourselves feel superior (only in our minds). What I do wish to say is that I hope Montana wins! I believe the Supreme Court has already ruled this year in the Heller vs. Washington D.C. decision that this is an individual right.

However, this is a political argument, and unfortunately, the party that is able to seat enough judstices on the Supreme Court at a particular time is the one that will win at that time. I hope that never happens, because it seems to me to be an inalienable right of human beings to defend themselves. And, if disarmed, we could not defend ourselves. Not against criminals, not against the state. I also don't wish to give my life for this right. But I might. And what people may not understand is that this is a primary reason that the Second Ammendment exists. And there are many who would not disarm because a tyrannical government said to do so. It would be a tyrannical government that would do so. Do NOT tread on me!
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by Gifford Rainier October 2, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
I wish the Montana law would be amended to state that any federal agents who try to enforce the illegal federal laws in Montana will be guilty of a felony and be imprisoned for life and that the Montana National Guard and Montana State Police have full authority, including the use of lethal force, to arrest and detain any federal agents violating the rights of Montana's citizens.
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by October 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT
Even the Department of Justice knows the Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right of states or of militias. See http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.pdf for the extensive historical and legal proof leading to this conclusion.
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by Hosheen October 1, 2009 7:28 PM EDT
A movement to strengthen State's Rights is a good thing. It is actually part of the checks and balances of the American system. The federal government has been riding over the individual and state's rights for far too long. If nothing is done to stop this, I predict some states are going to secede and this time, it will stick. But maybe that would be a good thing, too.
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by Carl_in_Chicago October 1, 2009 6:41 PM EDT
You folks arguing that the people's right to arms is exclusively predicated upon their service in a state-organized militia are a little behind the times.

A majority of the US Supreme Court disagrees with you. Eighty percent of Americans disagree with you. The natural right of self-preservation disagrees with you.

Why is it so much fun to kick dead horses?

Get over it.
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by mecanik-2009 October 1, 2009 6:35 PM EDT
Rightful interpretation of the second amendment.

A well "Trained" militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The word regulated in those days meant trained and it makes more sense when you say it that way. We have over the years changed the way we talk and use words in sentences. We need to think like they did back then and learn the language as it was used. To train with firearms meant you had to have possession of them and be able to use them.
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by thesevenveils October 1, 2009 6:34 PM EDT
This is a very scary move. If this passes then the next step is for a state to make it a law that no guns manufactured outside the state can be sold in the state. Next the state puts such harsh laws governing the manufacturing of guns in the state that NO company could afford to comply with the laws. This way a state has completely side stepped the 2nd Amendment.

Shame on this Rat Bassturd Brian Schweitzer.
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by tenbobnote October 1, 2009 7:59 PM EDT
ummmmmmmmm no.
by declanm-2009 October 1, 2009 8:15 PM EDT
thesevenveils: Your proposal would violate the U.S. Constitution's Commerce Clause and, if the Supreme Court incorporates the Second Amendment against the states, violate that as well.
by Carl_in_Chicago October 1, 2009 6:30 PM EDT
As an aside, let's consider Article V.

If ... 2/3 of the US house and senate voted to propose an amendment, and 3/4 of the states voted to ratify it ... would it be possible to reinforce the 10th amendment, or basically to say "The 10th Amendment means what it says ... and we really mean it, this time!"
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by docpeter1953 October 1, 2009 6:19 PM EDT
Lets go Montana, Good cause, supporting Amendment 2, hoping you can make it stand along with Amendment 10. I do hope the Texas Pols are helping support you in this cause. I will be writing my reps to aid you in any way they can.
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by Carl_in_Chicago October 1, 2009 6:18 PM EDT
Dear Mr. McCullagh:

Please note that this is not a principle of "state's rights." This is an issue about state's powers. People have rights, governments have powers (delegated to them by the People). But I must say it's less offensive to hear you invoke "state's rights" terminology than it is to hear Charles Schumer use the same language ...


Amendment 10 - Ratified 12/15/1791.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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by declanm-2009 October 1, 2009 8:13 PM EDT
Carl_in_Chicago: I think your language is more precise. But more people know what the phrase "state's rights" means than "lawful powers held by state governments delegated to them by the people and preserved by the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution."

My phrase is also a bit shorter. :)
by Brundige October 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
Is the Constitution an idol to worship? I hate to play the role of anarchist, but to kill is also breaking a law set forth thousands of years ago, by the true parchment of law. Guns are only made for killing. In the hands of laymen and criminals, they are deadly for anybody, not just to the true enemy, like Al Qaeda or insurgents. Civilians owning guns is vigilant and treacherous.
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by tenbobnote October 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It has been the "law of the land" for thousands of years that a man has the right to defend himself, if that requires owning a gun such as in today's society then that law MUST be protected. That is why the 2nd amendment is held so closely to many peoples hearts, because it is their right to protect.
by Gifford Rainier October 2, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
Let's analysis your argument.
1) Guns are bad because they are "only made for killing."
2) Since killing is bad, those with guns must be bad also.
3) The entity in the USA with the most guns is the government, so the worst entity in the USA is the government.

That is the logical conclusion is it not? I don't totally disagree with the fact that the biggest perpetrator of crime in the USA is the federal government, but not because it has guns, but because it uses those guns for coerce me and violate my rights.

As soon as no criminals (including government employees) have no weapons or ways to infringe upon my rights, I'll think about voluntarily surrendering my guns. I do enjoy target shooting BTW.
by nonewithout2nd October 6, 2009 7:06 PM EDT
It is generally accepted that the 6th Commandment reads "Thou shalt not Murder". Killing in self-defense is not murder. Your reasoning is faulty.
by G-I_Jesus October 1, 2009 6:08 PM EDT
Rightful Interpretation of the Second Amendment

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Interpretation: People who bear arms in the U.S. will be regulated by and be part of the U.S. army as reservists.
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by stuart-johns1 October 1, 2009 6:43 PM EDT
Nothing rightful in this interpretation at all. First off, we did'nt have the U.S. Army when the constitution was written. Secondly, we did'nt have Army reservists and thisrd, we don't use militias anymore.

The militias evolved into the National Guard. Therefore, the 2d Amendment is not needed for the purpose of a well regulated militia.
by Gifford Rainier October 2, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
G-I_Jesus:

Then the constitution was written the term "well regulated" did not mean controlled, but it meant "trained" and "prepared." What the 2nd means is: that an effective militia (able bodied men) is necessary to protect liberty (kill government agents) and to ensure that such power exists, people will not be deprived of their right to own guns.
by pvperson3 October 1, 2009 5:42 PM EDT
Yeah and I's sure that Montana will insure that guns and ammo manufactured in Montana never leaves that state, yeah, I bet they will.
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by declanm-2009 October 1, 2009 8:11 PM EDT
It's a fair point. But this goes back to the Raich case. Should growing medicinal marijuana in your backyard for your own use be regulated as "interstate commerce" just because you might happen to give an ounce to a cancer-stricken friend?

If yes, then everything is interstate commerce (except perhaps carving your name into a granite mountain in New Hampshire that might be too costly to transport to Maine).
by Gifford Rainier October 2, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
Does the federal government make sure that all baseball bats made in the USA never leave the USA? Of coarse not, however I am sure that some USA made bats have left the USA and that some of those have been used to kill humans.
by cammylynn October 1, 2009 5:33 PM EDT
I love how it says 'read literally' - how else do you read the Constitution? The whole purpose of the Constitution was to LIMIT the interference of gov't in people's lives. And, YES, anything that is not specifically enumerated as a power of the Federal gov't does not belong to it but to the States and the People. Here's the problem - the Tenth Amendment is virtually ignored by courts because they (along with the Fed gov't) has ignored the limits on their power and have abandoned their mandate - which is to judge laws based on the standard of the Constitution and what it allows. For too long the Courts have allowed laws that are clearly not within the bounds of 'ennumerated powers' and we are becoming slaves to the gov't instead of the gov't working for us in it's limited capacity.
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by summarex October 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
I think the time is right for a Grand American Compromise. Let the people have their guns as long as they accept universal healthcare!

That's the kind of deal making this country needs instread of the obsolescent ideological discourse which only yields societal absurdities like child adopting homosexuals.
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by Gifford Rainier October 2, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
summar ax:

"Universal health care" will require the constitution to be amended in order to be legal. The present US constitution makes no provision for the federal government to be involved in health care, so any such thing is illegal until the constitution is amended.
by lrsfirefighter October 6, 2009 1:13 PM EDT
Summarex....Your compromise is obtuse. Americans already have their guns, unless you're in favor or taking them away from us by force? Also, 85% of Americans are Happy with their health insurance, and our Health-care system is the best in the world. So lets see, you wish gun owners to keep a right they already hold (guns) in return for giving up the best health-care system in the world AND the health-insurance they're happy with....Hmmmmm I don't see the benefit? Who in their right mind would accept a SWINDLE like that? Perhaps a Statist would.
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