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September 29, 2009 3:07 PM

Senate Panel Rejects Public Option

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Updated at 4:05 p.m. ET with vote on Schumer amendment.

A key Senate panel shot down two amendments on Tuesday afternoon to add a government-run health insurance plan to its health care bill.

Getting to the crux of the nation's current health care debate – whether there should be more government involvement in health care -- the Senate Finance Committee spent hours debating the merits of a government plan, or "public option," before voting down two separate proposals.

First, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) proposed an amendment to add a public option to the health care bill introduced by Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) in the committee. The committee rejected the amendment by a vote of 15 to eight.

Five Democrats -- Senators Kent Conrad (N.D.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), Bill Nelson (Fla.), Tom Carper (Del.) and Committee Chair Max Baucus (Mont.) -- joined Republicans in voting against it.

Directly following that vote, the committee voted on a second, weaker public option amendment from Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). The committee rejected that amendment by a vote of 13 to 10, with three Democrats voting against it -- Conrad, Lincoln and Baucus.

Baucus said he voted against the amendments because he does not believe a health care bill with a public option could get the 60 votes necessary to pass in the full Senate.

"I see a lot to like in a public option," he said, "but my first job is to get this bill across the finish line."

He added, "It's also important to remind ourselves Rome wasn't built in a day."

Rockefeller said a public option would protect consumers from profit-hungry insurance companies and save the government $50 billion over 10 years. Republicans, on the other hand, said it would lead America on a path to a single-payer health care system -- one in which the government would be solely responsible for health care costs.

By voting down the amendment, Rockefeller said, "What we're saying is, 'Go ahead health insurance companies, and make more profits.'"

"And we're saying people and their problems... that they somehow don't count as much," he added. "People come second, and profits come first if we're against this, in my judgment."

Baucus' health care bill, crafted to gain as much bipartisan support as possible, does not include a public option because of opposition to the plan from Republicans and some moderate Democrats.

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Rockefeller's amendment was considered the more liberal of the two public option amendments because it would have aligned medical provider payments with Medicare payment rates for two years -- essentially securing lower payment rates than the private industry pays. Some moderate Democrats said that worried them.

"With Sen. Rockefeller's amendment, the devil is in the details," Conrad said. North Dakota has the second-lowest level of Medicare reimbursement in the country, he said, meaning that "every major hospital in my state goes broke" if public option payment rates are tied to Medicare.

Schumer's amendment would not have tied payment rates to Medicare, nor would it have required medical providers to participate in the new plan.

"Frankly, I might prefer Sen. Rockefeller's [amendment], but like Sen. Baucus, I too am a realist," Schumer said.

The senator said weaker public option can win 60 votes in the Senate. He added, however, that "This is far more than a symbol. This is not an ideological fight. It is vital to make this bill, which is a good bill, a better bill."

More than half of the cost of Baucus' bill -- nearly half a trillion dollars -- Rockefeller pointed out, would go toward providing subsidies for consumers to buy private insurance. The bill asks little in return from insurers for that money, he said. Insurance companies will continue to raise premiums without a public option to keep them in check, he said.

"The people I represent need this because they're helpless in front of the insurance companies," he said. Insurance companies, he said, are "getting away with banditry, and they revel in it."

Meanwhile, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the leading Republican in the committee, said a public option would be "a slow walk toward government-controlled single payer health care." Other Republicans voiced the same concern.

To highlight the flaws of government-administered health insurance, Republicans also criticized Medicare -- straying from their recent praise for the government program that insures senior citizens.

Medicare is "on a path to a fiscal meltdown" and underpays doctors and health care providers, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said. It is "forcing increasing numbers of providers to simply stop seeing our nation's seniors," he said, and shifts costs to taxpayers.

Grassley called Medicare "part of the social fabric of America," but both he and Grassley said its integral part of American culture prove how hard it would be to reverse any cultivation of a new government plan.
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by dragon8me September 30, 2009 9:15 AM EDT
Theres going to be a lot of new senators next year. The Democrats who voted against a public option are history.
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by Mortarman29 September 30, 2009 9:11 AM EDT
Common Dems...get this thing passed. What is your problem???
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by hungry1968-16 September 30, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
by brian1920 September 30, 2009 7:16 AM EDT
The Democrats on the panel defeated the Socialized medicine proposal. They know that re-election is not possible if they supported it.






BS.

They were bought by the insurance companies to oppose health care reform.

65% of the country wants the public option. Voting against it, is NOT voting for what the people want.
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by chonder2 September 30, 2009 8:50 AM EDT
REPUBLICAN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE-

I pledge allegiance to the CEO's of the Corporate Rulers Of America,and to the bottom line for which they stand.One Congress for sale,underbeancounters,indivisible(except for the right price),with record quarterly profits and justice to who can afford to buy it.


Campaign finance reform before it's too late.
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by Mortarman29 September 30, 2009 8:59 AM EDT
Silly.
by irreverent1-2009 September 30, 2009 8:46 AM EDT
Rome may not have built in a day but there are 5 Democrats that should be shown the door in the next election.
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by afmcalax September 30, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
Well the insurance companies won. Health care reform is effectively dead. I would just let it die and wait another 10 years when 90 percent of all Americans will not have health care and we can blame the Party of NO and the spineless morons of the Democratic Party, who once again are afraid to actually stand for something.
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by dante805 September 30, 2009 7:39 AM EDT
Finally some sanity. Schumer is a snake. A liberal one at that. Moderates should run from any amendment he proposes. The Dems are at a cross roads now, they can vote to go down the Reid Pelosi Moore road and doom the party in 2010 election or take the moderate Bacuus path adn win over independents and stay in power. Congress hasnt seen any march on Washington yet, just try to pass govt option and amnesty and cap and trade tis year.
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by skyk-2009 September 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT
dante805, so you think American's will run to the polls and vote for the Party who has done all it could, including LIE to Old People to prevent reform of any kind? ROFLMAO IF they are stupid enough to put the RADICAL RIGHT back in charge of this nation because their Representatives and the ONLY REAL Political Party we have tried to do something with Health Care, they deserve to slide off the cliff this time. There's going to be Health Care Reform and it's going to be substantial... This is but the first step in what is a long process...a process that does NOT include the Party of NO!
by brian1920 September 30, 2009 7:16 AM EDT
The Democrats on the panel defeated the Socialized medicine proposal. They know that re-election is not possible if they supported it.
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by skyk-2009 September 30, 2009 8:20 AM EDT
brian1920, is that what you think? LOL MAYBE, unlike the confederate party, they are representing a different view. UNLESS you are in the fringe right and want the president and nation to fail, there's room for your view in the Democratic Party. NO ONE can say that about the confederate Party. NO ONE who is not a Religious Freak or fringe rightie is welcome there. I just do not see a need for the Confederate (Republican) Party anymore. They can't govern, they have no ideas, and frankly exist for no other reason than to tear this nation apart.
by R_C_Jackman September 30, 2009 5:49 AM EDT
The U.S. Congress has the authority to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines [Ref. Wikipedia, "McCarran-Ferguson Act"]. Competition is good. Indeed, prior to 1945, the South-Eastern Underwriters Association was taken to court because its rates were too low. It is government interference which shelters our current insurance companies and which allows higher-than-what-could-be rates. Congress should allow the insurance companies to compete across state lines. The competition would be fierce. We don't need a government-controlled option.
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by skyk-2009 September 30, 2009 8:27 AM EDT
R_C_Jackman, Maybe you don't have a problem being covered by Insurance from a state like south Carolina but I do! We SHOULD have learned a lesson with the Financial Meltdown... Giving private insurance MORE room to rip off American's is not the answer.
by tiredofthebs September 30, 2009 2:00 AM EDT
by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money-01 September 30, 2009 1:06 AM EDT
Here, here!!! Let's do something civil for once and promulgate sterilization and eugenics.

(What rights you talkin' 'bout, Willis?)

And people wonder how I can see sick/hungry children and NOT CARE. This is why ...... Right to Life, I get it. Someone has to pay for that right. If it's not my child, It shouldn't be me.
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by skyk-2009 September 30, 2009 8:25 AM EDT
tiredofthebs, people like you have always disgusted me... even more now. Thankfully the Founders and all those who followed weren't like you.
by searingtruth September 30, 2009 1:59 AM EDT
Fellow citizens,

Corporations are not here to be nice, or compassionate, or to do the "right" thing.

They are here to make a profit.

And that is their just and rightful place.

Which is why we should never allow them to participate in our police, fire, health care, or military institutions.

Because these are institutions that ensure our basic human infrastructure, supporting our basic human needs and rights, and should not be reliant upon profitability.

And in fact our police and fire departments, and military, are run quite well by the government, it is only our health care that is killing us.

But unfortunately the peoples welfare is something the Republicans never embraced, and the Democrats abandoned without notice sometime within the last three decades.

Which is why after 25 years I recently re-registered from a non-partisan voter to a full fledged contributing member of The Green Party of The United States.

If we want to see change it is now clear that we must alter our two party system, establishing new parties that once again defend and uphold the rights and liberty of the American people.
ST


"My dead child was profit."
SearingTuth

A Future of the Brave
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by tiredofthebs September 30, 2009 1:57 AM EDT
by charlie6701 September 30, 2009 12:42 AM EDT
Let me phuckkkkin tell ya somfin.. The only people who know what they're talk'n about.. about anything! Are the people who have kids.. In fact, they should be the only ones who got something to say about healthcare.

And there in lays the problem. Who cares what they think?! The question is what can they AFFORD?
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by tiredofthebs September 30, 2009 1:55 AM EDT
by charlie6701 September 30, 2009 12:41 AM EDT
What de phuckkkk ya talk'n about? You use a rubber cuz yer broke?

Would you rather watch your children starve or die from illness? As a parent you need to know how you will deal with these issues. Grocery Stores & Hospitals don't take prayers as payment.
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by tiredofthebs September 30, 2009 12:34 AM EDT
I think the PUBLIC OPTION should be removed. I mean look at the success our govt. has had operating MEDICARE. Too, most who can't afford insurance probably either budget poorly, or live above their means (usually too many kids). I often see late night commercials about children who need "YOUR HELP". My question? Their folks were broke when they were conceived. Why didn't their folks use contraception? Or did their parents think prayers and handouts would help them?
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by skyk-2009 September 30, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
I now have Medicare and I can say without any doubt that it is FAR better than any private insurance I ever had while working. I also know that it would cost MUCH more to cover Seniors under a Private Plan and it would take away their ability to choose their doctors.
by rhs648 September 29, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
correction

vpcharan - You exposed these people. Many, if not all of them, will be reelected. Why? Because their supporters will vote for them. What have you proved?
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by vpcharan September 29, 2009 11:42 PM EDT
Senator Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Croker, Nelson and the ten GOP senators served today as the DEATH PANNEL of American Health and Wealth care reform. These fellows need to be exposed to the American People, especially their ties to the private insurance companies. These senators are anti-American people.
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by rhs648 September 29, 2009 11:56 PM EDT
vpcharan - You exposed these people. Many, if not all of them, will be reelected. Why? Because there supporters will vote for them. What have you proved?
by rhs648 September 29, 2009 11:33 PM EDT
hungry1968-16 - Health insurance companies have been in business in the United States for over 100 years. Most Americans are and have been covered by insurance for many years. The majority of health care bills are paid by insurance companies. Despite a few examples of abuses, the system has worked well for most people. When my father needed open heart surgery, his insurer paid $70,000 almost twenty years ago. When my step mother needed a heart valve, her insurance company paid nearly $100,000. Don't tell me this is FOX News propaganda. These are facts. Don't destroy it for the rest of us.
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by lami987 September 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
The most important thing for those politicians is money. People don't mean much to them. Baucus, a democrat, received more than $3.5 million from health care and insurance companies. Grassley, a republican, received more than $1.9 million (opensecrets.org). No wonder they opposed public option. Their main goal is to make their donors richer by requiring all Americans to pay for health insurance. If Baucus really think republicans can agree to anykind of health insurance reform, he is more stupid than I thought. It should be already clear to everyone that republicans will oppose anything democrats want. So Baucus and other democrats in congress stop playing stupid. Health insurance reform can only pass if all democrats in congress united and vote for it. Republicans would not vote for it regardless.
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by hungry1968-16 September 29, 2009 11:25 PM EDT
by artorus September 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT
So Sen. Rockefeller from one the ruling families doesn't want it. Surprise surprise.







You might want to re-read the article.

Or should I say "read it once".
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by hungry1968-16 September 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT
by jsd330 September 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
google or yahoo American academy of orthopedic surgeons, that's the web site where I found it.






I put YOUR LINK in the web browser, and ALL that was there was links to health insurance companies.

Obviously your handlers duped you.

And whether or not your "link to health insurance companies" was a legitimate website, it STILL wouldn't explain why health insurance companies take almost 40% of the money earmarked for ACTUAL health care.

You want to complain about an alleged 7% - 11% guess, (based on a website that promotes health insurance), but you remain COMPLETELY silent about 40% going to health insurance companies. Why is that?
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by jsd330 September 29, 2009 11:39 PM EDT
I wasn't complaining I wanted to know where the 2% came from, got a site for that? I don't know what is with you and your other buddies on here, somebody asks a question or posts a statement and right away they are either troll,s, idiots or extremists if you don't agree with it. And I have no handlers I searched costs of malpractice and defensive medicine on health care. I wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong, I was looking for where the 2% came from. As for the 40% got a website? I'll have to check your response in the morning. Time for bed, some of us have to get up and go to work.
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