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August 7, 2009 11:32 AM

Violence Breaks Out at Democratic Town Halls

(AP)
Angry mobs protesting health care reform continue to crop up at Democratic town halls across the country, with shouts and shoves most recently exchanged in both Tampa, Fla. and St. Louis, Mo.

At a Tampa forum, Democratic Rep. Kathy Castor struggled to make herself heard and eventually cut her appearance short as dozens of people shouted "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" reports the St. Petersburg Times. Amid the crowd of about 1,500, the newspaper reported, other chants rang out like, "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"

With the auditorium at the Tampa Children's Board of Hillsborough County quickly reaching full capacity, Tampa Police started turning people away. Subsequently, violence broke out outside, reports local CBS affiliate WTSP, with at least one person being treated for minor injuries. A photojournalist reported had his glasses and camera equipment broken.

The event was sponsored by sponsored by state Rep. Betty Reed and the Service Employees International Union, but many protesters said they were prompted to attend by the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative television personality Glenn Beck, the St. Petersburg Times reported. Other protesters reported receiving e-mails with talking points to speak out against health care reform from the Hillsborough Republican Party.

"The insurance industry and … Republican activists are manufacturing a lot of these phony protests,'' Castor said, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

Meanwhile, six people were arrested Thursday night in St. Louis, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, after health care reform protests broke out at what was intended to be a forum on aging with Democratic Rep. Russ Carnahan. Three people were reportedly arrested for suspicion of committing peace disturbances, two for suspicion of assault and one for resisting arrest.

An unanticipated crowd of several hundred people turned out to the Bernard Middle School gym in south St. Louis County, the Post-Dispatch reported, due in part to the local Tea Party Coalition, which urged members to attend the forum and subsequently spurred Democrats to boost their attendance as well.

One conservative African-American activist, who was taken to the emergency room of a local hospital with injuries, told the newspaper that another black man used a racial slur against him and then physically attacked him.

"It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," he reportedly said.

One liberal attendee who was arrested told the Post-Dispatch his 51-year-old female friend was sprayed with mace by police officers after attempting to takepictures of the scene.

And here are some amatuer YouTube videos taken from the scene in Tampa:







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by maryjessel August 10, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
When the anti-Iraq-war protests were in high gear in 2003, a group of anti-war protesters actually pulled down their pants and defecated in public on the steps of the San Francisco City Hall. I don't recall Nancy Pelosi calling THEM "un-American." A few conservatives shouting at townhalls sound rather mild in comparison to public pooping. But if you don't like their tactics, liberals, just remember, they learned them from you. Remember the Chicago Seven? I do.
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by patess August 8, 2009 11:12 PM EDT
Suddenly the media takes an interest in who organizes the grassroots outpouring of emotion at townhall meetings and tea parties. Your bias is showing---again.

Unions and leftwing groups have staged protests of varying levels of civility, including violence, for 50 years. The media didn't care to examine who organized these rallies and protests. On April 12, 2008, the SEIU violently disrupted a meeting of fellow unionists over a policy dispute. One person was hospitalized with a head injury, another died.

The Democrats are highly organized in their plans to sell the legislation and their strategy includes involvement of Democrat loyalists in unions and special interest groups. The drug industry announced they will spend $150 million on advertising supporting the Democrat plan. Unions are already out there with thugs beating up people. But, oh no, did somebody send an email to that little old lady who is shaking her fist at her Congressman!!! EEEK! Call out the Red Guards to restore the proper power leverage.

The media is disgracing itself with this phony umbrage over protests which have the most minimal amount of amateur organization. The vast majority of these protesters never engaged in any political activism before in their entire lives and you know it.
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by alanrichard1 August 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
Unions do have a history that includes perpetration of violence. Non-trivial fact question, though: Was the first violence associated with unions perpetrated by unions or by someone else? How long did this go on before unions began to fight back? And when was the last time a president used the military to shut down a nonviolent union strike?

Oh yeah.
by alanrichard1 August 10, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
This alone - "the most minimal amount of amateur organization" - brands this poster as a liar or an idiot, because the evidence for top-down organization is all over the internet, in the form of photocopies of memos that actually went out to Tea Bagger groups, themselves organized - the memos exist for this too - by Dick Armey's well-funded organization.

Clearly not amateur organization, and if you didn't know this, you easily could have found out. You are deliberately spreading lies or you just don't care enough about reality to check it out.
by frogsbasement August 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT
It is time for Healthcare supporters to start showing up with baseball bats.

It is time for supporters to start charging into the churches and meetings of these bumbs and apply the same tactics.

What surprises me (and I don't know why)is how much coverage the media is giving these filthy creeps. If they were protesting against WHO, they wouldn't be on the news.

Why aren't news agencies showing programs on all the people who are denied coverage and the elderly who are bankrupted by the cost of operations and medicines? there is a massive bias going on in support of the filth on the right.

Time for revolution.
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by flyday611 August 8, 2009 1:54 AM EDT
Actually Health Care should be accessible for all Americans in one of richest nations in the world no matter how much monetary debt we are in. No one Said a word for 30 years as the debt became a mountain...Now everyone is all of sudden concerned since someone may have a right to obtain good health care coverage . NO one said a word when the Defense spending ballooned for unusable weapons or waste money on a mars rover that could not send pictures back because of communication error in a computer chip. Now we have outrage over health care???? Manufactured outrage is all I see as the Medical insurance companies and crooks like Rick Scott try to protect their profits. People wake UP!
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by jeffinnh August 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
OK I have a problem with this comment. Trust me each of those places where you said "no one said", plenty of people were talking. Thinking that people are going to these meetings because they are paid is simply wrong. I want to go to one of these meetings and am not affiliated with any groups and wouldn't want to be.

"People wake UP!", I hope your reading your own message and doing the same thing.
by licht1 August 7, 2009 8:29 PM EDT
Obama's gonna kill Grandma?

See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/obama-wants-to-kill-your-grandma/
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by gonyse August 7, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
Now that obama knows my IP address, let him come after me. The damn socialist needs something for his technology czar to do. Americans, dont give up. The facist needs to be silenced.
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by alanrichard1 August 10, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
Your knowledge of fascism - it was a real movement, you know, in the 30s - must come from a comic book. Since you haven't bothered to check out what it really meant, to read any of its actual propaganda or any of the actual history that's been available for 40 - 50 years now, I can only assume you don't care much about what fascism was really like. Surely, though, you know how destructive it was; why wouldn't you at least want to know something about it to prevent its recurrence? Oh, I know: you don't care about destruction, as long as it's not Obama, its' got to be better, right? You are exactly the kind of person Mussolini loved.
by nprybes August 7, 2009 7:13 PM EDT
How can you defend a health care bill,when no-one knows what is in it?
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How can we learn what's in it, if you idiots keep shutting down town halls with your yelling?
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by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 8:12 PM EDT
would like to read the House bill or a summary....what kinda idiot are you ....get your daddy to read it to you
by WakeUp1984 August 7, 2009 7:03 PM EDT
WHAT VIOLENCE???? THIS IS THE AMERICAN HERITAGE OF PROTESTING BAD LEADERSHIP ON BOTH SIDES.....THERE IS NO RIGHT THERE IS NO LEFT.... READ INFOWARS.COM AND WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH
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by redrockraven August 7, 2009 6:31 PM EDT
Here's the emerging American version of the Nazi fascist's formula: combine millions of dollars of lobbyists' money with embittered Republican troublemakers who have a small army of not terribly bright white angry people (collected over decades through pro-life mass mailing networks) at their beck and call, ever ready to believe any myth or lie circulated by the semi literate and completely and routinely misinformed right wing -- Evangelical religious underground. Then put this little mob together with the insurance companies' big bucks. That's how it works -- American Brown Shirts at the ready.

It's time that this whole shabby (and insane) business be exposed, vilified and run out of town on a rail by whatever responsible Republicans -- if any -- that are still in the party and who want to see the fortunes of their party revived. Republican leaders taking insurance industry money via lobbying firms and using it to organize what amounts to roving bands of thugs not only need to be exposed but thrown out of the public debate forever. They should become absolute pariahs.

It's time to give these garbage townhall disruptions their rightful name: insurance industry funded fascism.
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by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 6:45 PM EDT
love it sweetheart....I'll compare degrees any day!!!!!
by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 6:48 PM EDT
and by the way....i haven't seen a single "insurance company rep'" at these gatherings....I guess you're just another white house puke trying to spout the white house line...won't work, clown, there are too many of us.....
by alanrichard1 August 10, 2009 2:43 PM EDT
Freddie6, no, he's reporting the facts: big money and irrational mobs are coming together at these town meetings, and I'm not talking about the unions. We know that the organization of these groups is top-down not bottom up because the memos have been leaked and they're now all over the internet.

And there AREN'T too many of you: we proved that in November when we decisively won the election. But I suppose you're counting on there being more of you with guns, and you have more people with practice shooting, and you are less like to hesitate to shoot another human being. Well, you may have me there.
by carlyt1 August 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT
It is time for the GOP to take a stand and denounce these threats. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588
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by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 5:18 PM EDT
Absolutely amazing.....I just heard the DNC commercial for obamacare. It says I am part of a mob....I guess I have to find the rest of it unless a mob is one old fart. I am a radical? and according to pelosi I'm a nazi in spite of the fact that my dad and i served in the armed forces and fought against those people. I still claim that this bunch, including the chief scumbag looks more like those evil entities than any of the opposition to this health care nightmare.......
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by lilmsj August 7, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
YOU lost. We won. Get over it. There is no bill because it is still in committee. So what are you complaining about?
Could the idiots get any more pathetic!?
It is an example of how ridiculous the Republicans have gotten, not that they were ever sane.
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by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
Golly, that's a well thought, typical criticism...you must have majored in political science at yale....
by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
or maybe you do some English Liturature at Harvard...and graduated to become another "community activist" helping the american way....
by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
I personally believe that the press won't report the details of the House bill and the implications of its provisions because the uproar in this country would be amplified a dozen-fold. Also the bamas would be confronted with being "outed" for the crap they believe and their special interests exposed.......
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by chonder2 August 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
Interviewer: Rep Smith how did these rumors of elderly execution begin? Rep Smith-Corners of mouth turning up:I have NO idea. Inteviewer:Rep Smith how did these rumors start that we would be FORCED out of our existing insurance?
Rep Smith-Tight lipped smile: I have no idea.
Interviewer: Rep Smith,how did the rumors start that the elderly would be sent to animal clinics to save money?
Rep Smith-Full teeth smile: I have NO idea.
Interviewer: Rep Smith, what response do have about the shooting death outside the Smithfield town hall meeting?
Rep Smith-Belly laughing-Giggeling: I have no idea!!
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by Anti-Zionist_115 August 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT
I live in Tampa and I didn't hear anything about this.
weird.

Regardless both sides are retarded. None of the sides want to sit down and have a debate. When confronted with something that they can't defend or back up, what do they do? Call u names, yell at you, or try to change the subject (just like YSoWrong)

Both parties are decisive. Both parties are ruining this great country. United we stand, Divided we fall? Remember that you losers? Guess what, we are united, we WILL fall. This problem could be solved with a few simple things:

1) Eliminate outside/foreign influence that controls our government ("israel" lobbyists). Get rid of ALL of them completely. Execute those who sold this nation out for the sake of other nations publicly in the most ruthless of manners.

2) Eliminate and publicly excute ANY dirty crooked politician. Yes, even lying is considered crooked. Those working AGAINST the consititution are crooked and should be executed as well.

3) No politician can have dual citizenship to ANY country (even "israel").

4) Seperation of Religion and State - PERIOD.

5) Revamp our entire education system. This one is the biggest why? Because it seems that Americans have become so stupid, that they believe EVERYTHING that is said on TV without question. If their "party" says something, its 100% truth. Americans today are to lazy and lack the knowledge of being able to research things. We need to be able to do this, if not the government will rape us with a 12" cucumber with lube.

People, grow up with this Republican/Democrate CRAP. If either one of you think that their side is not crooked or does or is not controlled by the same outside influence, then guess what. You guys are WRONG.

Actually I will take my orginal statement back, its the STUPIDITY of most Americans that ALLOWED this to happen and even encouraged it happen that will be the MAIN reason for our downfall.
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by Anti-Zionist_115 August 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT
Sorry I meant divisive
by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 1:54 PM EDT
What's to debate??? The bill is available that the democrats voted through in the house. They disallowed participation by others and the scumbag demanded approval before he even read the thing. I am not ready to give these people license to destroy the best health care system in the world! What should we debate about that? The bill fails to address the real cost drivers: TORT REFORM (lawyers with their extravagant and frivolous lawsuits) and ILLEGAL ALIENS abusing all services including our Health Care system. What do we need to debate about that? WE DON'T WANT SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE!! What's to debate about that/???

Likewise, every time we bring up a provision in the idiot bill that is on the books, the libs say we're just obstructionists.....When we call the legislators, they typically don't answer, when we write, they provide a Pelosi form letter back.....

I am not a Demo/Republican, I am an american and this scumbag who is in charge does NOT represent me or the millions of others who want govt to stay OUT of our health care system....let them continue to destroy Social Security, the Postal Sytem, and Amtrak!!!
by mattcat25 August 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
"I am not ready to give these people license to destroy the best health care system in the world!"

then should not even be any problem or DEBATE to speak of?
Remeber the Republican Party are the same people that lied to every American to invade and occupy Iraq under false pretense to allow for the fleecing of Federal Treasury Funds (your's and mine tax dollars) to be turned over to Private Contractors. The GOP also wanted their war on based on false pretense to last indefinitely.

We can't trust the Republicans.
by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
what about tort reform and illegal aliens mattcat....the solutions are too easy for you.....Just beat us up and ignore our concerns...Isn't that the marching orders you got yesterday from the scumbag in charge????
by mattcat25 August 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT
The time has come to end Shareholder Controlled HealthCare.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

The GOP is fronting for Wallstreet, not for the Average Working Class American.
by mattcat25 August 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
One thing at a time...and, if given the time your tort reform and immigration will be addressed, if the GOP allows it.
by cinci_citizen August 7, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
A CIGNA Executive gives an insider?s view on health care. This video is riveting and a MUST SEE! Please give it a minute or two of your time.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html
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by jeffinnh August 8, 2009 10:42 PM EDT
I was intrigued by this comment so I decided to watch the video. First it's not a minute of your time the video is ~37 minutes long. I watched around 15 minutes of it. It is very interesting, but very one sided. Which is also the problem with Michael Moore's movie (mentioned in this video). The thing is that we do have our problems, health care insurance is one of them. I believe that everyone in America (that pays taxes) should be allowed some form of health care. There is NO need for a government option I believe the claims made by Republicans are true. In a government option the government will be allowed to dictate prices and will be allowed to use tax money to fund it. No private plan can compete under those conditions which would cause all employers to go with the cheaper, better (for the time being) plan. At that point there will be a Government Only option. I've been told that's exactly what happened in Canada (I need to verify this).

I can support a plan that provides coverage for everyone under the following conditions:

1) The government cannot subsidize plans (ie no government option), but can subsidize people.
2) The government cannot fix prices in an attempt to control prices (when the money dries up the talent does too).

I don't understand why the only solution acceptable to democrats is revamp the entire system. Why do we need to go to extremes? If Insurance companies are denying coverage for preexisting conditions then write a law to prevent it.

I believe an citizen allowance and competition are the best approach.
by iam4honesty August 7, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
MORE TERRORIST ACTIVITY BY RIGHT WING RADICALS.
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by mattcat25 August 7, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
Allowing for nothing to take place (besides mayhem) in regard to alleviating the HealthCare Crises should not be the option. The GOP is spending a lot of time and lobbyist money to assure that this new legislation is derailed instead of adding and/or improving its outcome.

This situation could be equated to the OIL industry where The Republicans have relied on doing nothing except for promoting the United States dependence on foreign OIL. We've known that our nation reached peak oil production back in 1975 where the Administration at that time set a new vision and course for energy. The following GOP administrations undid that mandate and realigned the US on a set course of OIL dependency.

The GOP will not change course on HealthCare and are content to allow the same business as usual process to proceed no matter (like with energy) what the better interests of the American People would be.

Republicans are against the American People and those few loud, boisterous, and possibly violent TeaBag protesters are not (or, do not know) acting as valid representatives of the American People.
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by Freddie6 August 7, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
There are too many of us "old farts" to beat up....I think they will resort to "town hall by invitation only", and, of course, invite the press to their little love fests.....
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by Bill434 August 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT
Has anyone heard from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson concerning what happened to that black man that was beaten?

I bet that if they knew of this they would be just itching to come to the defense of this conservative black man.

Since Obama jumped in on Gates Gate issue, you just know that he will come to the defense of this conservative black man that was beaten.


BTW, didn't Obama tell his supporters to start going to town hall meetings?
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